MrMojoRisin

I stated dishonest posts that ignore the truth are worthless - they are.

Indeed, Thaksin was no saint. Here’s the thing, there will never be a saint who saves the day. Cheerleading coup after coup because elected governments are not perfect is a road to nowhere. Imperfect progress is still progress. Thanathorn was a perfectly fine individual, not a saint, but a good many steps in the right direction and what happened to him? Bashing Thaksin for not being perfect is just the cowards way of supporting the policies and practices of the anti democratic establishment. It is weak and dishonest… certainly not saintly. There is no doubt, absolutely zero doubt that any free and fair election held in Thailand over the last 20 years would be won by Thaksin in a landslide. It is Q Anon level delusion to believe anything else. Thaksin hates foreigners… good for him. Just because the guy is not perfect you’ll never find me supporting a coup, supporting taking away the civil rights and freedoms of an entire population and condemning generation after generation to economic exploitation. I am no saint, but I am a damn site better than that - how about you?

Innocent people get ripped off and yes, die, everyday in Thailand. Corruption and nepotism is ever present in everything here - at all levels at all times. The country is not this way by accident. The desired outcome is egregious levels of inequality - poverty, misery and death alongside shopping malls crammed with Ferraris and Rolex watches - a place where pet pooches get first class seats to Paris whilst others forage for food in order not to starve to death. The only chance 90% of the Thai people have at obtaining any worthwhile quality of life above subsistence is democracy and yet morons here, in post after post, prattle on about Thaksin. Thaksin ain’t the cause of the problems here, they existed before he entered politics and they will someday cease to exist because he did enter politics. Nobody has done more than Thaksin Shinawatra and his political movement to shake the foundations of a truly evil, gluttonous, greedy and murderous social system. He single handedly bought them to their knees, whether it’s his daughter, Thanathorn or some as yet Unkown individual who eventually strikes the killer blow to the disgusting establishment - they will only have succeeded because of all that Thaksin achieved before them. If cursing Thaksin and regurgitating false and delusional junta propaganda makes you feel good, if cheerleading the vile people and structures that have created and maintained this modern day dystopia is a price you are willing to pay to be able to openly voice views that are wholly unacceptable in the west, then good luck to you - but know this, you are on the wrong side of history and in the not too distant future all of the craven sycophants who helped prolong the inhumane status quo will once again be forced back into the shadows where they rightly belong. Ive been in Thailand since 2004, but that is neither here nor there as I wasn’t living in Germany in the 30s and 40s but I still know that Nazism was far from good and certainly not something that I would ever allow myself to be associated with…..some food for thought eh?

For sure innocent people were murdered during the drug war. Nowhere near 2000 (let alone 2500 or 3000), but still, even one innocent is too many. Thaksin was PM at the time and bears much responsibility for these crimes. Ditto Tak Bai. Who else should be in the dock alongside Thaksin? This is the heart of the issue. There is barely a metric where the unelected coup regimes are not considerably worse than the elected governments of Thailand yet the expat closet fascists never hold the usurpers to the same standard (how else could they publicly justify their abhorrent beliefs?). Who called for the drug war to commence? Who continued to praise the drug war as the death toll mounted? Is there any doubt that high ranking Thai military personnel profit the most from drugs (and prostitution)? Has getting rid of Thaksin (and democracy) made Thailand a better or worse place for the average Thai - is there more or less poverty and unnecessary death in the country now than there would be had democracy been preserved and nurtured? Thaksin is not the problem, he never was, he represented the country moving towards a fully fledged free and open democratic society - this could not be tolerated by those who had been greedily robbing the people and land for centuries. Only fools believe Thaksin is/was the problem, whether it be the drug war, government corruption, censorship, widespread extreme inequality and an injudicious judiciary.

Yet there is no democracy in Thailand, funny that.

Prior to Thaksin’s 30 baht healthcare policy, 17,000 Thai infants died needlessly every year from easily treatable conditions. These deaths stopped within the first year of Thaksin’s universal healthcare. Your obsession with Thaksin blinds you to the truth. Where does the real evil lie? Why are the Thai elites so fearful of democracy? Most importantly, could you justify your political views without “evil Thaksin” nonsense as an excuse for what are abhorrent beliefs?

The simple fact is Thaksin, though flawed, was by far the best PM Thailand ever had, the most popular PM Thailand ever had and the least corrupt PM Thailand ever had. No amount of “remembered” fairytales by closeted anti-democracy expats is ever going to change any of these facts. Thaksin on the ballot paper would win in a landslide, no matter how corrupted the constitution and no matter how much the conservatives cheat. So popular does he remain, that it is a fait acompli that his daughter will be PM within 6 months. ????????????

We would be you and your dodgy statistics.

The article in the link states “ …left nearly 2000 people dead…” So we’ve already dropped the death toll by 500? Hmmm…… 500 seems to be quite a high number of mistaken deaths, don’t you think? How / why do you think such an egregious error has been made?

And the something else is a more or less effective killing implement resulting in a higher or lower death toll? Without access to a gun, how many nutters would refrain from going on a spree in the first place given the odds not being so tilted to their advantage if they lack the decisive difference maker that guns are? The recent mass shooting at a school in Texas had police officers to scared to confront a shooter armed with an assault rifle - they lingered outside for an hour whilst kids were being shot. This would not be the case had the “nutter” had a knife instead of an AR15 assault rifle. QED

Classic straw man argument. ???? The simple fact is less guns = less gun deaths. Additionally, knives have practical everyday applications in day to day life, guns do not - assault rifles such as the AR15 definitely do not belong in civilian hands. I am quite sure, should there be a study conducted, it would quickly be proven that the smaller a man’s penis, the greater man’s love of guns.

No, not I …the democratically elected government will expose the misdeeds of the unelected regimes and their lackeys. You, however, I suspect will more than likely be forever banging on about Thaksin - facts be damned.

Monkfish is correct, you are not.

History, is written by the victors. The Generals have a vested interest in demonising Thaksin and nothing to gain from truthfulness. Once democracy is restored, the truth about a great many goings on in the kingdom will be revealed, at which point I expect there’ll be a great many here revising their post histories. ????

Correct. The Bangkokpundit did a very thorough article detailing the failures of the press at the time, in particular the origins of the 2500 figure and the mistranslation of extra judicial. Unsurprisingly, those here obsessed with Thaksin never let the facts get in the way of a bit of righteous chest thumping, after all, it is very hard to publicly support anti democratic semi-fascism without a (manufactured) devil to shift the blame onto for what are plainly abhorrent views.

You could not be more wrong. Support for the "drug war" from the Thai people was, and remained, almost unanimous throughout the period. From the HRW report: ...supported the campaign; some surveys showed support of 97.4%.

Was it Thaksin's war on drugs? How many extra judicial killings were there? How interesting that the above article is cautious in their wording... Thaksin's controversial drugs policy led to claims that as many as 2,500 people were summarily executed by security forces Surely if 2500 extra judicial killings really took place the press would have no concerns in stating the death toll without equivocation. If one has to resort to lies to justify their political beliefs, then perhaps those beliefs aren't all that great.

Yippie ki yay

Backlash? The only way Thaksin or one of his clones can come back to power is by winning an election… in a landslide. By blacklash do you mean the election losers, by definition a minority, will refuse to play by the rules and accept their defeat and instead set out to cause mayhem through violence in order to create a pretext for another coup? What an awful thing to support.

I don’t know which is worse, a paper cut on my pinky finger or a close range shot to the head from a 44 magnum revolver. ???????????? Let the Thai people pick their own government via free and fair elections, should they end up behind the eight ball again - no worries, in a democracy the people can just vote that government out at the next election. ????????????

So no list then. ????????????

List the top 5.

Curious asks...are there actually any crimes?