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Here's a better one: All persons earning income are required to file a tax return no later than 31 March of the following year for hardcopy filing and 8 April for online filing, except for individuals whose income from employment is THB 120,000 or less (for single persons) or THB 220,000 or less (for married persons) and in the case of having income from other sources (with or without employment income) of THB 60,000 or less (for single persons) or THB 120,000 or less (for married persons). https://taxsummaries.pwc.com/thailand/individual/tax-administration#:~:text=Individuals engaged in most forms,their spouse%2C whichever they prefer.

They are the TRD threshold rates. The document below is the first one I came across and is dated 2021, they haven't changed since. See number 1. https://www.rd.go.th/fileadmin/download/english_form/030265guide91.pdf

I'm with you, I think we're headed for a spell downwards.

I don't think about the 4 million or so foreigners who live in Thailand, only the 180,000 or so Western expats, some of whom have frequented these forums for the past 20 years or more. I know from previous debates over that period that the number of expats using the income method is not small, but I have no idea what the number is. The fact remains that even today, many expats are unable to raise the 800k needed for a visa deposit and must resort to illegal agency tactics for this purpose.....I don't believe this is a small number of expats. I cannot recall ever being involved in even one discussion about Thai Tax, prior to the current slew of threads following news of the rule change, tax was simply not something that members debated, or even enquired about, it just wasn't on anyone's radar. If ever there was a debate involving tax, it was always in the context of tax free interest bearing accounts available in the IOM and elsewhere offshore. From a personal perspective, Thai tax was never something that featured in my remittance planning over the years so I suspect there were times where I remitted savings principle along with interest earned in the same year. My pensions have long been deposited directly into my Thai account but fortunately are multi country sourced, the combination of which makes the total free of Thai tax. But I recall from those past debates that many were not as fortunate yet still tax was never an issue. I did not generalize about the number of expats, I said I don't know and merely offered a probable range. Unlike you I think it is sometimes helpful to remind ourselves of these these types of issues because it may provide some insight into TRD thinking, rational and motivation. I have no idea how many people have ignored Thai tax over that period or whether the range should be 1000 or 5,000 or 10k, 30k or 50k. What I do know for certain is that tax was never a concern and for many it was never a consideration, so if the number ended up being higher rather than lower, I for one would not be at all surprised. Of far bigger concern to expats over that period was the Baht/Pound exchange rate, which threatened to make many expats ineligible for their visa's and did send many back home as it fell from the 70's down to the low 40's over many years.

The bigger problem is those expats who have existed in Thailand using current month income, either because their visa requires the income method, or because their finances require it to be so. Others like myself find it convenient and practical to remit pension payments directly to a Thai bank account, despite the income not being required for a visa..... I'm certain there will be many others who do the same. Those are people who remit current year income, which of course, has always required a tax return is filed. Yet we're told by some members that only a miniscule percentage of retired expats have ever filed tax returns on a regular basis, this potentially leave what, 10,000, 30,000, 50,000 expats who have knowingly committed tax evasion by not filing. What can the excuse be, I didn't know I had to? Ignorance of the law is, they say, no defense but it's really the only one there is. I don't think for one moment that TRD is going to go after those people but that's not the point. The point is that they could, if they chose to and the case against them is indefensible.

I've done the first and will try the second....the MIL was here for a visit, she's probably hexed the damn thing. 🙂

Not to worry, I appreciate your efforts and assistance regardless. It's a very old machine that just wont die, I wish it would so that I could have an excuse to buy a new one that will allow Win 11. It will be gone inside of 6 months, until then I'm OK with using two browsers, Chrome is a memory hog anyway plus I rather like DuckDuckGo.

This one still wouldn't connect, spinning wheels only.

This one didn't work:Error 1003 Ray ID: 8e3e67c0bd3fd00c • 2024-11-17 08:38:34 UTC Direct IP access not allowed What happened? You've requested an IP address that is part of the Cloudflare network. A valid Host header must be supplied to reach the desired website. What can I do?

Interesting, always the highest, hmmm.

Interesting that I can use my secondary browser to access AN and review which other devices AN thinks I'm signed in on and it shows I'm signed in on Chrome, yet I don't have access. If I sign out those Chrome screens on AN, using the secondary browser and sign in again with Chrome, AN once again thinks I am logged in but I still don't have access.

"most, if not all DTAs, don't give blanket taxation rights to resident countries on certain, specific incomes defined in the DTAs". The operative words being, specific incomes, rather than all income. It is clear that many (not all) DTA's give the resident country the right to tax specific types of income, that have already been taxed. This does not mean taxed completely a second time but taxed at a higher rate, which takes into account the tax already paid overseas. In a simple example, solely for demonstration purposes, income of a specific type may be taxed at 20% in the home country but because of the stepped tax bands, it may be taxed over at 25% with a credit becoming available for the 20% tax already paid. But for the lay person to understand the total impact of that measure, they would need to factor in the difference between their home country TEDA equivalent and Thai TEDA, which could go either way, based on the country of origin. They would also need to understand the tax treatment of ALL their different types of income, some of which my be treated more favorably, some less so.

This is weird stuff, chrome AN works fine on my phone but not on the desktop

Correct

Tried that, no luck.....just spinning wheel and eventually, 504 Bad Gateway Disabled ad-blocker Disabled all extensions All other sites load fine. Will try reloading Chrome from scratch.

Did that already.

....wont load AN this morning, other browsers will....desktop, windows 10.

Explaining what is and is not written in the Revenue Code, is not tax advice.

You continue to say that this forum is about fact when the notice at the top of the thread explicitly states it is not and that it is for people to express opinions. Here, once again, in a larger font, is what the notice says: "Posts made by individuals reflect their own opinions and should not be taken as fact". The bigger problem, than just your opportunistic sniping, is members general perception of the difference between tax fact and opinion, a problem that has been exacerbated by some longer term members who also are unable to always remember. So let me try and give you something to work with that might help you and others: If it's written in the Thai Tax Revenue Code (this is the book of Thai tax rules), it is fact, even if the rule or practise is dormant or the opposite is being adhered to by some. If it's not, it's opinion. Some examples of these things include: 1) There is no penalty for not filing a tax return, after breaching the threshold level, even if no tax is due - This is opinion, the facts are that penalties do exist for not filing a tax return when one is due. 2) If you are tax resident and your income is below the assessable income level, before TEDA and the tax free band are applied, you do not have to file a tax return - This is fact. 3) If you are tax resident and your income is below the assessable income level, only after TEDA and the tax free band is applied, you do not have to file a tax return - This is opinion, there is no explicit statement that suggests you are allowed to make your own tax calculations in this manner and not file a tax return as a result. 4) The response to a question asked at one branch of the TRD will be entirely complete and correct and will mirror the answers received at other branches, all of which will accurately reflect the TRD Code and TRD HQ views. - This is not fact.

I don't agree with this and never have. There are relatively straight forward easy to understand components of DTA's that lay people can readily understand. This fact alone means everyone should at least read their DTA and try to understand it. There are, of course, complex aspects that are more difficult, depending on your particular situation but to suggest they are all too difficult and that nobody should try, is wrong.

If my pension was molested I'd urge it to report the matter to the police, that sort of behaviour shouldn't be tolerated.

Have another drink and go to bed.

Six of your past seven posts refute personal opinions I've posted, I can't believe you actually challenge opinions and call them wrong FFS. You're obsessed, you're stalking yet again and have been since you started your anti Lister campaign, you need help, go away.

You've become a joke, you do realise, every single thing I post you have to disagree with and refute.

We're talking about different things.