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Wow. In Chiang Mai, the District Office staff are well aware of the Regional Office and also of the pecking order! Plus several staff speak a reasonable level of conversational English.

It's not about who members are listening to, it's about the misinformation they are hearing repeatedly. The TRD Code syasy it is is true, law firms tell us it is true plus now, first hand reports from members confirm it's what TRD requires. Despite those things, you continue to "instruct" members to do the exact opposite, without one shred of supportive evidence to back up what you say is correct. Your rhetoric on this issue is putting people in legal jeopardy and you need to stop repeating it.

I give up on you, part of me thinks you're trolling, another part believes you're just entrenched and myopic. Whatever it is, you need to quit advising members that they have a decision to make regarding whether to file or not, the TRD has taken that out of everyone's hands and made it real simple.....no excel spreadsheets, no pen and paper, no bag of a fag packet math, no TEDA subtractions, no mental calculations, just 60k assessable income and tax residency, anything different from those things and they are not compliant with the Revenue Code. Bye.

How many times do you have to be reminded that the Revenue rules require you to file a return, if you are tax resident and have assessable income of 60k baht or more? There is no TEDA calculation beforehand to see if you need to file or not and there is no calculation to see if tax is due or not.....it's very simply, tax residency and 60k baht, no more, no less and the TRD staff have confirmed that in an earlier post, as does the TRD Code. "Every Thai tax resident, Thai or foreign, is required to file a tax return, but this does not mean that every Thai tax resident will pay income tax. Thailand’s income tax works on a bracket system, so taxpayers with higher incomes pay higher percentages of that income in tax. To meet the minimum threshold for taxation in Thailand, a taxpayer must earn a minimum income. For unmarried individuals, they meet the minimum threshold of taxation if they: Have assessable income exceeding 60,000 THB. Have assessable income under Category 1 only that exceeds 120,000 THB". https://www.siam-legal.com/Business-in-Thailand/thailand-income-tax-for-foreigners.php

I actually agree that the guy is speaking common sense, especially when he says that there wont likely be any immediate response to not filing a return but you may well have to justify not filing later. And for the umpteenth time, we all now fully understand that there is no rule that allows any of us to calculate whether tax is due or not, after TEDA is deducted and to use that as a guide whether to file or not, even the TRD staff have been quoted now confirming that it's assessable income and tax residency, end of. That said, I agree that people should avoid the free 15 minute chat and instead, wait and see what TRD has to say between now and then.

Go bait somebody else.

That depends on what happens between now and filing season, along with the level of risk each person wants to take. Gamblers will say the whole thing will be cancelled and laugh with gay abandon whilst calling the rest of us a named used to refer to young cats. Low risk tolerance people will file a return, if so required by their circumstances. Those with greater risk tolerance may hope they get and remain lucky and not file, this year at least. The number of branches that implement the new tax rule will be the same as the number that are made aware of it, I don't think it's at the branch discretion. Sensibly, most people will wait until say January to decide. I can think of many positive reasons to move to Nakon Nowhere but to escape filing a tax return isn't one of them.

I'm in a different situation because I already have a TIN and have filed tax returns here previously. But hand on heart, if I was tax resident here and had over 60k of assessable income, I cannot imagine a downside to filing, only to not filing, potentially at some later date. If you think by not filing you remain hidden, you need a reality check. But hey, each to their own.

"The department operates 12 regional revenue offices, 119 area revenue offices, and 850 area revenue branch offices throughout the country as well as 14 bureaus at its headquarters". Area offices are not always large but Jomtien appears to be larger than most. I will be very very surprised if there are no English speaking staff there.

No it does not.

This should come as little surprise, the further away you are from Bangkok, the less people understand about current events and the worse communication is between organisations that are headquartered in Bangkok. Is it any wonder that people who have asked questions at their TRD branch in Nakon Nowhere have been met with very different answers.

Do tell us more please?

Yes of course, why?

Except.... Notwithstanding the provisions of paragraph 1, social security benefits and other similar public pensions paid by a Contracting State to a resident of the other Contracting State or a citizen of the United States shall be taxable only in the first-mentioned State. https://library.siam-legal.com/thai-law/u-s-thai-tax-treaty-pensions-and-social-security-payments-article-20/

What is your personal risk level or that of any foreigner in say Mandalay these days?

A late edit on this: I am pretty certain that payments are tax exempt although I have never looked at the exact form of words that conforms this. From memory, the DTA says something like, US citizens and residents" but goes on to distinguish between residents and Thai nationals. If anyone has looked at this more closely, I will be grateful.

I'll ask the question here before reading the US/THAI DTA if necessary, just in case someone familiar with the DTA knows the answer: US Social Security payments (SSc) paid to US citizens in Thailand are tax exempt under the terms of the DTA but are taxable when paid to Thai citizens. My question is, what is the tax status of these payments when they are made to recipients who are not American or Thai citizens?

You think tax is something you pay, only when forced to do so, and then get penalised because you haven't voluntarily, I gather.....not everyone sees things the same way.

No need to what?

I look forward to reading more about this, thanks Simon.

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I'm cross posting this because it's a first hand report of a conversation with TRD about the need to file. notably it was held in Bangkok.

Thank you for posting this, game set and match to the exact wording of the Revenue Code I believe.

Ignore list, forever, bye

go back and read my post. Failing that, please go find somebody else to insult.