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4 hours ago, scotinsiam said:

The UK Ambassador in Thailand has just tweeted about this after a meeting with the Czar

 

 

 

Sounds like a plan, said no one.

3 hours ago, Brunolem said:

Where's Harry when you need him?

Is that Harry, formerly known as "Prince"?

5 hours ago, 4MyEgo said:

 

I had tried booking at our local hospital through the app, but to no avail, the wife then tried another hospital close by, done and dusted for 7 June at 11am.

 

The most recent news article less than an hour ago stated that the CCSA said that expats will be included in the June vaccination program, but an app has to be developed for them as we are not supposed to be using the Mor Prom app, that is for Thai's only.

 

 

I'm not clear whether if one is successful using the Mor Prom app using the Pink ID card, whether it will be honoured when you pitch up. I suppose no one will know until the first confirmed booking (7 June AFAIK) proceeds without a hitch.

3 hours ago, HauptmannUK said:

Very interesting.  A Thai friend of mine (quite wealthy, well connected and works in the higher levels of government) told me about this last week. He and his wife are going to the US later this month and having the Johnson & Johnson vaccine. He doesn't want the vaccines offered in Thailand. He's had an email confirmation of the vaccine dates apparently. I was astonished when he told me about this and only half believed him, but it does seem to be true.  I'm surprised the US allow it. He and his wife are in their early 40's so not a priority group....

Is he doing it in a package, or all booked privately? I know of 2 Thais who have gone to the US for the same reason.

I'm not a US citizen, but that does not seem to be a qualification. It is certainly something I am considering, along with going up to Hong Kong where I have Right of Abode, but only once the 21 days quarantine is lifted, or going to UK, (I'm British, but that's not a qualification), but there the wait time is currently 11 weeks between doses, so waiting to see if that improves with more supply. The ideal situation would be getting it here, but the statements of intent are very very vague from both government and private hospital scenarios. It will be make-my-mind-up time by July.

20 minutes ago, jojothai said:

I forgot to mention that family and friends are telling me that in the UK there is 12 weeks between the first and second shot of the vaccine.

Yes, I'm hearing similar at the moment, but I gather it's getting quicker, and aiming to be 3 weeks. Choices, choices.

6 hours ago, JRG23 said:

Britons living overseas should obtain the vaccine in their country of residence. They cannot arrange a vaccine in the UK from overseas.

https://www.william-russell.com/blog/getting-a-covid-vaccine-as-an-expat/#:~:text=Anyone who is returning to,in the UK from overseas.

Yes, I read that blurb on the UK Government website. It doesn't address how a UK citizen can get a vax in a country which isn't providing them.

6 hours ago, Harm Hendrik Reitsma said:

Sheer dumb to think the Embassy would burn their vingers on this!

They are not a medical institution and have no medics OR nurses, the only thing is that they can speak out to the Government. But that is all, don't put IT in their hands as they can't apply!

Have a good Day.

They seemed to manage quite well at applying vax to their staff, both British and Thai.

6 hours ago, Harm Hendrik Reitsma said:

5 hours ago, Brierley said:

It's not my call what is in their job description, what they will and will not do, it's down to the government of the day. But it's been this way for a very long time, most people just haven't understood that.

The British Embassy in Thailand is clearly a reflection of the level of importance attached by the UK government to its host country.

4 hours ago, Rookiescot said:

Time the western embassies told Thailand that the move will be reciprocated.  

I suspect the Thai government might not be that bothered.

3 hours ago, connda said:

The issue is that in pretty much all Western countries minorities are not the object of government discrimination.  Should examples of discrimination surface, the government would be excoriated by the media and on social media by the country's citizens.

In Thailand minorities are the object of government discrimination.  Should example of discrimination surface, the government would be applauded by the media and on social media by the country's citizens.

That!  That is the difference between xenophobic countries and non-xenophobic countries.  In civilized nations, the nation's government does not single out racial minorities for exclusion if vaccine supplies are lagging.  They are treated as any citizen.  That includes every Thai in every Western nation who themselves may hold xenophobic views of foreigners in their own country.

Whilst I agree generally about xenophobia, and and certainly in the case of vax for all, the irony is being black in America is not a walk in the park, (without a bullet to the head). Being Asian has not been that much fun recently either, ("kung 'flu an' all). 

3 hours ago, abrahamzvi said:

 

 

One other point which should be cleared in a binding fashion, is what the situation of the foreign residents who were successful in registering and getting a confirmed appointment for June, is.  Are such appointments now cancelled, or even worse, when turning up for the appointment, being sent away?

Agree, especially the after the non committal blurb from the CDC today, which is just a tad short on details:

On 3/1/2021 at 5:29 PM, jojothai said:

Are there no provisions for british citizens getting the vaccination if you return to UK.
Just go to quarantine. Is it not shortsighted.
Are british citizens from abroad not allowed to get it in the UK. What is the government policy?
They are giving vaccinations to foreigners in the UK.

We have no way of knowing whether we will get anything here,

and for at high risk people that's going be a seriously bad situation to be in.
If many people get the vaccine. We do not know if it still transmits.
Therefore if things start to open up, we become more at risk if we cannot get the vaccine.
Thats not an acceptable situation to be in.

Can you please  query and advise if there is any consideration being given in the UK to this.
If i cannot get the vaccine here then i have no choice but to go back to uk.

On 4/17/2021 at 1:13 PM, Rinrada said:

Qatar was placed on the UK government's 'red list' at 4am on Friday March 19. ... The Middle Eastern state joined Oman and  the UAE on the UK list of banned destinations same day.. I tend to use Etihad a lot and was thinking or heading back just for the Vacs...but...not yet....1750 quid to be banged up for 10 days...Mai krup..

 

With the fiasco here trying to get vaccinated, is going to UK to get vaccinated a "reasonable excuse"? Foreigners here are not likely to get vaccinated before August. I'm getting beyond caring about the cost, I just want it done. I am happy to quarantine for 10 days, get my shots and come back. I'm a UK citizen and my Civil Partner, (under UK law) is Japanese. I might as well close up my flat here, cancel the maid, (already paused her), and wait until Thailand slips into the Covid abyss, and grapples its way out of it, when they start making sensible decisions about a countrywide rollout, with nationality not being a requirement/impairment.

On 5/4/2021 at 11:20 AM, bunnydrops said:

They must have been out. They usually have it next to the frozen pizza dough.

If Tops or Villa have a bakery section ask them to make you a batch. I use Central Food Hall in Bangkok and they have done that several times. It's ready by the time I check out.

3 hours ago, jackdd said:

Foreigners don't qualify, was just announced by the MOPH.

I may not link to the source, but if you google this you will find it:  'Thais, not expats' get jab priority

I hope it doesn't affect those who have been able to successfully register using the app. One day they complain about not many (of any flavour) registering, the next they deny those who would like to. It tells you all you need to know, (which would come as no surprise to those who've lived here a while). It's not surprising that those who can (Thais predominantly), will go to other countries to be vaccinated. I've heard of several in the last few days, and the Thai government is aware of it, as they are warning Thais who are planning this to contact the MFA, I presume to help them with information, but one often wonders about other motives. The irony is the Thais who will follow this route are in some cases those who might get the economy rolling again.

1 hour ago, 4MyEgo said:

 

I will save you the trip unfortunately, government has flip flopped.

 

https://thethaiger.com/coronavirus/vaccines-reserved-to-thais-not-expats-public-health-ministry

Thanks. I have plenty of housework today, anyway!!

10 hours ago, rabas said:

 

I think I know what their bug is.  They do a simple 3bit checksum on the 13 digit ID.  So, they must do a checksum on the rear laser code. But when they wrote the software they assumed the JT9999999999 (12 places) format. But the pinkcard code is B9999999 (9 places).

 

So their checksum fails on many but not all laser codes depending on the exact digits. It looks like you fixed the checksum by adding a space. !! A Space technically adds 4 to the checksum.

 

Other codes may need to add 1, 2, or 3 spaces, and some numbers may not be fixable.

 

... and I may be wrong. If people would like to PM me B00000000 codes that worked and those that didn't, I can try to prove the bug. If so, I could then try to contact them.

 

 

 

 

Will try later and let you know...I need my office staff to assist.

11 hours ago, khunpon said:

I have managed to get an appointment with my Pink ID card. Initially, I failed a number of times, but eventually I managed it. One needs to follow the following:

 

1. Name must be in Thai, not in English. If you you have '-' in your last name you must enter it. In other words first name, last name must be exactly the same as it is printed on your ID card.

2. Birth year must be according to Thai calendar year.

3. The number on back of the ID card must be entered as B 99999999 (notice <space> between B and the first number) NOT B99999999. However, if your prefix consists of two characters as in their example 'JT' then you don't need the <space>.

 

I hope this helps. Choc dee.

The number on the back of my card has B[space] 1234567[space] 8  ....  that is a space between the letter, and a space between the 7 digits and the 8th digit. So should one put both spaces in? 

43 minutes ago, jkcjag said:

I registered online at BNH website in Bangkok yesterday. They sent me the link after I sent them a LINE message requesting info. They asked to select Gov free or private (with a cost). No mention of releasing records to anyone.

I was referring to jkcjag's comment "they asked to select Gov free or private (with a cost)."

They made clear to me there was no "selection".

7 minutes ago, Sheryl said:

How exactly did you do this? I don't see anything on their website. Also no luck being able to chat or send message via their Line app.

I have registered with BNH Line. But only name, hospital number, phone number and email. They also rang me back and said they would contact me when they had the vax available, but no date as to when that might be. The receptionist on the call specifically said they would not register Mor Pro patients; obviously they are a business and want whatever they decide they can get away with, (as yet undisclosed). 

1 hour ago, 4MyEgo said:

 

Finally found it having had to go around the world, here are a couple of copy and paste comments relative to what I was talking about and the link below.

 

"Expats with a Thai ID or ‘pink’ registration card can use this service while those living in the kingdom who use their national passport as their main ID, cannot".

 

"Officials suggest that, for now, expats or foreign residents should contact their local hospital or medical facility to book an appointment if they are over 60 or have an underlying condition".

 

I don't know if the above helps, e.g. if your over 60 with pre-existing conditions or not ?

 

https://www.thaiexaminer.com/thai-news-foreigners/2021/05/02/expats-over-60-free-vaccination-from-june/

 

EDIT: I also read somewhere else if you don't qualify for the above, it is July/August.

 

 

Thanks. Yes, I am over 60, but no underlying conditions, so I qualify. I am reluctant to go to the Police General Hospital in person at the moment, given the current Covid situation in many areas of Bangkok. (My pink ID, as we've discussed, doesn't work.)

So concerned am I, I have just asked my maid not to come in until further notice, as she lives in Bon Kai, where they have discovered a new cluster. I will pay her in full, but I want to minimise risk on both sides; she says she hardly goes out, but therein lies the risk, and she has a husband who is working, so both would travel by public transport. She also has a young child, so as I think schools are closed, I have to assume the child is looked after by a neighbour when she's working, (another risk). Last year we paused the maid for 2 months and paid her in full. Different maid, she  left after a month when she came back. Housekeeping is not my idea of fun, but it is currently the only form of physical exercise, and it does no one any harm to clean a loo! Well, actually, we have three.

33 minutes ago, rabas said:

Search for:

 

หมอพร้อม  or  Chonburi Hospital

 

You can cut and paste the Thai word. On my computer it is 1st or 2nd App that comes up. It's the big dark green one.

 

Thanks. I finally found the link and it's on my phone waiting for activation, (which I can't do, 'cos I can't read Thai!). It will be interesting to see whether as a resident of Bangkok I can register with my pink ID and choose a hospital in Bangkok. Some suggested yes, others no.

10 hours ago, perconrad said:

When I on sunday in the Mor Prom in Line App registered and booked a vaccination appointment on 8. th june 10 o'clock it was enough with a prefix beginning with B as the pink ID card has.

Unfortunately this option no longer seems available, unless you have a Thai family member and you are bracketed under them.

8 hours ago, johnarth said:

dont panic yet, you might die from other means

Without being able to exercise, (our pool is potentially closed as are all other fitness facilities), I shall develop a comorbidity - obesity, or I will lose the will to live, with all this flip flop.

8 hours ago, Pattaya Spotter said:

Why is that? Maybe you can try rockin' up to the UK embassy in Bangkok for your vaccine...do they actually provide any citizen services there anymore?

I don't think UK has an embassy in Bangkok any longer.

7 hours ago, HAPPYNUFF said:

 

7 hours ago, Surelynot said:

the Mor Prom in the Line app do not differ between Thai and foreigners......foreigners with a pink ID?

Yes, in one key aspect - the identifyer on the reverse of the pink card is only 8 digits and 1 letter, which is not accepted by the app.

7 hours ago, perconrad said:

The mor Prom do not differ that you can register and book a vaccination appointment if you fill out all the information asked for from your pink card.

The identifyer on the reverse of the pink card is only 8 digits and 1 letter, which is not accepted by the app.

1 hour ago, scpchris said:

Just a clarification about Pink 1D (foreigner), Blue Book and Yellow Book. 

 

Blue Book or Tabien Baan (see below) shows ownership of property, typically Thai, but foreigners are also issued a Blue Book for purchase of a condominium. A Blue Book can not be used to get a 13 digit Thai ID number and therefore may not be used to register for Mor Prom and the C19 vaccine. 

 

Yellow Book or "House Book" is what you need to acquire a 13 digit Thai ID. Documents needed, your Blue Book or Thai Owners consent of Blue Book, passport certification from your embassy with Thai translation. All information to be submitted to Thai government offices in Bangkok for approval documents. Then take approval documents to the local municipal office (tesabaan) for Yellow Book and Pink Thai ID. Then you can register for the C19 vaccine. 

 

It's just that simple! or we can wait until Mor Prom is modified to accept other means of data entry requirements????

 

*Tabien Baan literally translates into English as “house registration” but is commonly referred to as a “blue book” (because for Thais it is literally a blue book).

And it is by no means an easy process. My lawyer did for me at about THB20-30K and even with all his running around, we had to spend 2-3 hours at the local amphur signing screeds of paper, none of which I understood. Anyway, I now have Blue Book, Yellow Book and Pink ID, replacing the original title deed I was given when I bought my condo 18 years ago.

2 minutes ago, 4MyEgo said:

 

If you have a Pink ID Card you can do it at a public hospital, if no Pink ID Card, I believe August onwards they will be taking appointments, fingers crossed the more vaccines that become available, the better and sooner your chances of being vaxed.

I will try the Police General Hospital tomorrow with my Pink ID, and let you know. Others seem to suggest that when they have tried they have been turned away..."Thais only".

1 minute ago, 4MyEgo said:

 

I believe as news is filtering in daily, you can now go to your local hospital and they will register you with your ID Card, worth a shot, pun intended.

I have already registered with my private hospital, BNH Bangkok. No appointment date, no vax available until .... not sure, "this year".

6 hours ago, rabas said:

My understanding as a Zoroastrian is there are two, either or, cases.

 

1. (for Thailand) Maw Prom LINE ap, start LINE, scan the frequently posted QR code. This ap requests the code on the back of the pink card, which causes problems for some, but not all.

 

2.(for Chonburi) a different Maw Prom, from Google play store, this does not require the code from the pink card reverse.

 

Try 1. If 1 does not provide happiness try 2.

I have searched in Google Play for Mor Prom and Maw Prom and both of those followed by Chonburi, but it does not come up. I recall seeing it earlier, but maybe it has been removed?

17 minutes ago, hotchilli said:

A slow uptake of only around 5% yet many who said they tried to register they couldn't as the system couldn't cope?

If the first round of jabs were for the over 60's with underlying health problems why not have them report direct to their own hospital to make an appointment or have each online registration for a specific age group only.

They threw it open to everyone but only targeting the above age?

I have completed a survey (registration) for BNH in Bangkok, but there is no date for appointment, nor were they able to tell me when the vax might be available. They did say they were not taking registration through Mor Prom, but as I can't register my non-Thai ID to use that, it's academic anyway.

11 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

Asks for ID and number. farangs don't have this

Yes, some of us have non-Thai IDs, (Pink), but these are not being accepted by the Mor Prom system because of the identifyer (Not ID number) being different to those on Thai ID cards. Some have had success, on the first day before the system crashed, but after it was fixed, many have not been able to register; my understanding is currently those with Pink IDs and a Thai family member appear to have success; the Thai family member can register and add the farang as a family member.

1 hour ago, LawrenceN said:

https://morpromt2a.moph.go.th/

 

You'll need a LINE ID. 

Any attempt to register through Mor Prom with a Pink (Non-Thai ID) requires you to have a Thai family member. Mor Prom does not now accept non-Thai ID card holders.

1 hour ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

Takes a few minutes to get LINE on a smart phone. 

 

Alternately, download Morpromt from the Thai App / play store. 

 

Two options. 

Any attempt to register through Mor Prom with a Pink (Non-Thai ID) requires you to have a Thai family member. Mor Prom does not now accept non-Thai ID card holders.

1 hour ago, mark131v said:

 

Anutin would not be in a top group or an at risk group and neither would the young soldier unless she was a medical professional not available through the healthcare system

 

I stand by my statement their priorities seem to be me and my powerbase first rest of you fight over the scraps, as usual...

She may well work for or be in close proximity to a top brass member of the military.

1 hour ago, condobrit001 said:

Great if you can read Thai. Is there an english version?

No.

1 hour ago, mwbrown said:

 

There's nothing by that name in the Google Play store.  Can you please give the *exact* name of the app or a link to it?  Thanks.

Mor Prom through Line.

1 hour ago, Pattaya Spotter said:

I'm sure this is true as far as it goes, but I've lived in Thailand for many years on "retirement visas," and don't have this magic 13 digit number; nor have I ever been offered to apply for one.

Any attempt to register through Mor Prom with a Pink (Non-Thai ID) requires you to have a Thai family member. Mor Prom does not now accept non-Thai ID card holders.

1 hour ago, mwbrown said:

 

I already have Thailand set up as my location.  I ask again for the *exact* name or a link.  Is that too hard?

Mor Prom through Line 

There's a long topic on the inability of many of us foreigners to register through Mor Prom:

15 hours ago, EricTh said:

I'm surprised Japan and Malaysia are on the list.

 

I see Japanese retirees moving to Thailand instead. 

Yes, you would need a work permit to live in Japan, and speaking Japanese is essential.

2 hours ago, thasoss said:

Had a mate,wanted a nurse for a G/F so he advertised on the hospital staff notice board.He's now got free health care.

Did he get a vax too?

On 5/3/2021 at 11:54 AM, 4MyEgo said:

 

I'm not sure I follow what your saying.

 

The Thai Pink ID Card has 13 numbers at the top as does your Thai Drivers/Riders license, i.e. they should correspond as the same numbers if your license is up to date after renewing it once you received your Thai Pink ID Card.

 

DON'T pay any attention to the letters/numbers on the back of you Thai Pink ID Card.

 

Your wife should be able to register on the Mor Prom App with her Thai ID Card and then there is a drop down box where she can add your details in and also enter your Thai Pink ID Card number. If she is under 60 she won't be able to register to get the vaccine for herself, however she can add you into the system if you are over 60 and she ticks one of the boxes that asks about your health conditions.

I have a pink ID, but no Thai wife, or relative.

This may now be the only qualification for using Mor Prom by Line.

23 hours ago, skatewash said:

 

The so-called pink ID card, pictured above, is the equivalent for foreigners of the blue Thai National ID card used by Thais.  It can be obtained from your local amphur (district government) office after you have obtained a yellow house registration book (tabian bahn, equivalent to the blue house registration book that Thais use) from the same office.

Of interest to this topic, the pink ID card contains a 13-digit Thai National ID number that can be used when registering for the covid-19 vaccination via the mor prom Line Official Account. 

As a non Thai It also contains a 1 letter and an 8 digit number on the back, which

the app is no longer accepting. You cannot leave it blank, otherwise the details are not accepted.

On 5/2/2021 at 4:53 PM, Makoshark said:

I registered for the vaccine directly at BNH Hospital last Tuesday.

 

.  I was put on a waiting list

 

fingers are crossed as to "when"

Same. They are not accepting Mor Prom registration, nor are they disclosing date of availability (in March they said "May", today "hopefully this year"), nor price.