Jeff the Chef

For a start, both sides should comply with all UN mandates.

I meant from the original mandate, we can argue about the history of the Holy Land till the cows come home, no one is gonna win that one.

I've no doubt that there are people that would want that, but then again anything is possible through negotiations between G.B. and Ireland. Personally I cannot see the "Troubles" starting up again to anything like before the Peace Process, money talks.

How much of that land is originally Israel? There is a whole lot of wrongs on both sides and until sensible heads sit down and work out a solution things will carry on as they are now.

As you say, that scenario is never going to happen, but then again why would a Northern Irish UK Citizen want to play their flutes in Cork? As in all things if it were to happen there would be negotiations, and a peaceful outcome acceptable to both sides, hopefully.

In some ways this is very like the Irish problem, took years of terrorism by both sides before there was a solution, eventually they managed to live peacefully together and share the political power. Took over a century to get where they are now, I know, but it does go to show what's possible, and who would have thought nearly 50 years on from the peace process that there is a chance of Irish unification, something good might come out of Brexit.

Hopefully more sensible heads will come out of this on both sides and a 2 state solution is achieved.

To be fair to both sides, Israel has broken UN Resolutions and the Laws of War and Occupation as stated in the Fourth Geneva Convention. https://itisapartheid.org/Documents_pdf_etc/IsraelViolationsInternationalLaw.pdf

The state of Israel has violated many international laws, including United Nations Resolutions and the Laws of War and Occupation as stated in the Fourth Geneva Convention. Below is a summary of some of those violations. Much of the fact sheet was taken from the Israeli Law Resource Center (ILRC). Related articles and laws by the ILRC are linked below. https://itisapartheid.org/Documents_pdf_etc/IsraelViolationsInternationalLaw.pdf

Legal Consequences arising from the Policies and Practices of Israel in the Occupied Palestinian Territory, including East Jerusalem A legal masterpiece from Ralph Wilde on behalf of the Arab League with echoes of Rafaat Alareer

Israel reports to ICJ in The Hague on actions taken to comply with court orders on Gaza Amid South African accusation of genocide, judges instructed Jerusalem last month to specify efforts to protect civilians; details of report not released to public https://www.timesofisrael.com/israel-reports-to-icj-on-actions-taken-to-comply-with-court-orders-on-gaza/

Ok, it's The Times of Israel, but an interesting take on things, I thought. ‘Cosmetic’ PA reshuffle seen as bid by Abbas to hold power, avoid demanded reforms Ramallah’s new prime minister is likely to be another loyalist to the PA president, who appears to be trying to preempt US pressure for structural changes to revitalize the body https://www.timesofisrael.com/cosmetic-pa-reshuffle-seen-as-bid-by-abbas-to-hold-power-avoid-demanded-reforms/

Legal Consequences arising from the Policies and Practices of Israel in the Occupied Palestinian Territory, including East Jerusalem Written Statement of the State of Israel https://www.icj-cij.org/sites/default/files/case-related/186/186-20230724-wri-08-00-en.pdf

Whilst I understand your point of view, I think we can only wait and see how the ICJ rules having taken all the evidence/views of the Nation States who came before the Court.

Trying yet again to have a sensible debate, if you're not interested and only want to push your views fine, I'll just carry on regardless.

I acknowledge your post on https://ihl-databases.icrc.org/en/customary-ihl/v1/rule28 The last couple of paragraphs state: Loss of protection due to medical units State practice establishes the exception under customary international law that the protection of medical units ceases when they are being used, outside their humanitarian function, to commit acts harmful to the enemy. This exception is provided for in the First and Fourth Geneva Conventions and in both Additional Protocols.[37] It is contained in numerous military manuals and military orders.[38] It is also supported by other practice.[39] While the Geneva Conventions and Additional Protocols do not define “acts harmful to the enemy”, they do indicate several types of acts which do not constitute “acts harmful to the enemy”, for example, when the personnel of the unit is armed, when the unit is guarded, when small arms and ammunition taken from the wounded and sick are found in the unit and when wounded and sick combatants or civilians are inside the unit.[40] According to the Commentary on the First Geneva Convention, examples of acts harmful to the enemy include the use of medical units to shelter able-bodied combatants, to store arms or munitions, as a military observation post or as a shield for military action.[41] It is further specified in State practice that prior to an attack against a medical unit which is being used to commit acts harmful to the enemy, a warning has to be issued setting, whenever appropriate, a reasonable time-limit and that an attack can only take place after such warning has remained unheeded.[42] These procedural requirements are also laid down in the Geneva Conventions and Additional Protocols.[43] Trying to be neutral here, is there any independent evidence, apart from IDF or Hamas claims?

Article 8 of the Rome statute, which established the international criminal court (ICC) in The Hague, defines a long list of war crimes including “intentionally directing attacks against buildings dedicated to religion, education, art, science or charitable purposes, historic monuments, hospitals and places where the sick and wounded are collected”.

Today's Public hearing at the I.C.J. Monday 26 February 2024 10 a.m.-10.30 a.m. Türkiye 10.30 a.m.-11 a.m. Zambia 11 a.m.-11.30 a.m. League of Arab States 11.30 a.m.-11.40 a.m. Break 11.40 a.m.-12.10 p.m. Organisation of Islamic Cooperation 12.10 p.m.-12.40 p.m. African Union 3 p.m.-3.30 p.m. Spain 3.30 p.m.-4 p.m. Fiji 4 p.m.-4.30 p.m. Maldives

No reaction from Israel, but that's OK because the U.S. want a reformed P.A. to govern Gaza once the war is over. I think someone needs to ask the Palestinians in Gaza what they want, maybe a free and fair election of all Palestinians in the Occupied Territories including Gaza.

State of play: Israeli Minister Benny Gantz said on Wednesday that "there are initial signs that point to a possibility of making progress towards a deal." A senior Israeli official said that from what Israel knows, Hamas provided Egypt with an "oral response" to the Israeli position and agreed to "minor adjustments" in its demands. But the official said the new Hamas response doesn't point to a breakthrough. Hamas has not publicly detailed this week's talks in Cairo. The senior Israeli official said Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu still hasn't signed off on sending an Israeli delegation to Paris for the Friday meeting. The official stressed that some members of the negotiation team will not go to the meeting if Netanyahu orders them only to listen and not negotiate, as he did for the last meeting attended by an Israeli delegation earlier this month. https://www.axios.com/2024/02/21/gaza-hostage-israel-hamas-cia-biden

Israel Not Complying with World Court Order in Genocide Case Failing to Ensure Basic Services, Aid https://www.hrw.org/news/2024/02/26/israel-not-complying-world-court-order-genocide-case

And, your problem is?

Fact, and I'm an anti Zionist bloke, Jews are fine.

And hostages/prisoners who escaped/released by Hamas are killed by the IDF even though they have a white flag and shout out in Hebrew

Lol, so you're now going full-time Mystic Meg