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Well, she can only see what's in front of her, can't she? She's not Superman. She can't see through walls. So this is a normal qualification. If you want to read things into it, then provide the evidence. She worked at Mar a Lago, because after her boyfriend's teenage prostitution ring was smashed by the FBI she was out of work. Her life as a drug taking prostitute with Ron Eppinger had come to an end, so she had to eat, and her father happened to have a job at Mar a Lago's tennis courts and got her a gig as a towel girl. As for her claim that she was trying to turn her life around, isn't it strange that she again reverted to providing sexual services for money? Once a whore, always a whore never rang truer. Though in Giuffre's case she did graduate to being an accomplished extortionist and fraudster, as well as serial litigant. Credit where credit is due. 12 mllion Pounds net worth, Giuffre came a long way from the streets of Miami.

First of all Virgina Giuffre was not just one among the many "survivors", she was the main accuser in this whole Salem Witchunt 2.0, even if she refused to testify because she would have been ripped to shreds on account of her history of lying. Now Virginia Giuffre CATEGORICALLY says that Trump never had sex in any of the many sex sessions she was involved in, and did not even flirt with her. I mean how much clearer can it get? And Trump is NOT refusing to release the files, he has released a large number of the files, here, knock yourself out. You haven't read a single one, have you? https://vault.fbi.gov/jeffrey-epstein He's merely indicated that he will only release files that contain true and verified information, which is absolutely the correct thing to do. Many of the files will contain interviews with "survivors" that contain a large number of false allegations, and the public would have trouble distinguishing true from false allegations. So not releasing all the files is absolutely the correct decision.

Sadly wrong again, she said that he did not do anything that would give her concern in front of her. So not just towards her, but towards anybody.

Now you're looking into it, good boy. Here's the full case files from the FBI on Ron Eppinger, Virginia Giuffre's boyfriend with whom she lived for 6 months. https://vault.fbi.gov/ronald-eppinger You will also see that Ron Eppinger was not just a sex trafficker, he ran a "teenage prositution" ring, and his job was to find new teenage girls for his very pofitable prostitution ring. In addition Eppinger also was heavily involved in child pornography. I would say the odds are very high that Virginia Giuffre helped Ron Eppinger procure new teenage prostitutes, just as she admitted doing for Epstein. And yes, Eppinger was also heavily into drugs, and it is inconceivable that Virginia Giuffre, who lived with him for 6 months, did not take drugs with him as well. So you have to marvel at the irony of the world media presenting this drug taking teenage prostitute, who procured other teenagers for prostitution for both Eppinger and Epstein (by her own admission), subsequently being portrayed as an innocent victim. The mind boggles.

Thanks for clarifying. So you don't think when one of the main witnesses to Epstein's activities publicly states that Trump never acted inappropriately as far as she's concerned, as far as what she saw herself, this does not "clear" Trump? And you also do not think when Virginia Giuffre herself said that Trump never had sex at any time, and did not flirt with her, this does not clear Trump either? This rather begs the question, what would clear him, in your mind? Nothing I guess?

No it is actually. Very much so. Ghislaine Maxwell is saying Donald Trump did nothing wrong whatsoever, and she's a witness. So Ghislaine Maxwell is corroborating what Virginia Giuffre said previously herself, that Donald Trump did nothing wrong: "“’Donald Trump was also a good friend of Jeffrey’s.’ That part is true. ‘He didn’t partake in any’ of — any sex with any of us but he flirted with me.’ It’s true that he didn’t partake in any sex with us, but it’s not true that he flirted with me. Donald Trump never flirted with me,” Giuffre clarified later. https://www.politico.com/story/2019/08/09/epstein-mar-a-lago-trump-1456221 So Giuffre was even more emphatic than Maxwell, not only did Trump not do anything wrong, he didn't even flirt with her. I guess Virginia Giuffre also makes your "flesh crawl" for defending "adults who engaged in sex with children""?

In what way do they not "agree"?

That's wrong, what Maxwell actually said was "he never acted in way in front of her that would give her concern", this includes acting inappropriately towards others. So yes, a full legal and moral exoneration. But feel free to continue spewing unsubstantiated, slimey allegations without any truth content whatsoever.

You really are not the sharpest bulb in the closet are you? Virginia Giuffre was working as a prostitute one year before she met Epstein whilst she lived with her boyfriend Ron Eppinger, a pimp who was indicted for prostitution related crimes. This has been posted serveral times upthread, I suggest you read it and stop making stupid commments.

I know, but you emphasized certain words and seem to imply words were chosen carefully as if the interpretation of Maxwell's words had some alternative meaning, apart from the obvious one. I think we should be careful with innuendo and implying things, because if there's no evidence for what;'s being implied then it's just malicious gossip without any truth to it, isn't it?

Attorneys always do of course. But what people then choose to interpret into the words needs to have a semblance of real world evidence to back it up. For instance if Ghislaine Maxwell says "he never did anything in my presence that would cause me concern" and you jump and say "Ah but this proves he took little kids behind closed doors and had his wicked way with them", then really you need to have real world evidence to substantiate that claim. Otherwise you're just in a vacuum of hot air, much like people who claim Hitler is still alive drinking hot chocolate in Buenos Aires.

So Trump is exonerated by key witness and lefties squirm and squirm in their unsubstantiated slimey stew of allegations without evidence. Enjoy.

Many do, but some women have integrity and don't. Of course that integrity depends on them having the material comforts and money in the bank they belive sufficient, true enough, but some women have this integrity . Other women are truly without any integrity, they will create opportunities to cheat. Even if they have a comfortable life, it doesn't matter. Because they crave adventure. Not all women are the same. I think at most you can say that all women women will be attracted to other men. That's true of course,, like us they're promiscuous primates and will have that sensation of being attracted to others. However, some women act on it, and others don't. This depends in large part on the woman's character, and if she has a large craving for adventure. Some do, some don.t.

Rock doesn't literally refer to a stone though. It refers to the rocking and rolling motion of a ship, and was later used as a euphemism for sex. But I agree the backbeat is hardly sophisticated music. As Theodor Adorno has pointed out the crux of American popular music is standardization, from Jazz to Rock n Roll this holds true. Serious music cannot be standardized in the simplistic ways Jazz and Rock n Roll have been.

Plus the poverty is even greater in Philippines. Money is even more important there. Filipinas are more prone to cheating I suspect, Thais are just more honest. Having said that women from both countries seem to cheat more than is normal.

Just one tiny problem with that theory....Epstein didn't have "clients". I mean try to engage your brain for two seconds, this man was not a two-bit pimp trafficking prostitutes like Ron Eppinger, the man Virginia Giuffre slept with at age 15 prior to meeting Epstein. This was a man worth hundreds of millions of dollars. The last thing he needed was clients for his prostitutes, he wanted to use them for himself. Well, when all the "survivors" accounts converge in this regard, it's kind of public knowledge. Epstein entered, removed his robe, asked for a massage and they let him have sex. There was no physical violence whatsoever, not one "survivor" alleges it. And you only have to engage your brain, do you think if they had all been beaten with a stick to have sex they would have remained for years and taken Epstein's money in exchange for sex? Virginia Giuffre made half a million Dollars by letting Epstein have sex with her. I'm not opining on whether it's "A-okay" or not, I'm merely stating what actually happened, as opposed to spouting claims the girls were "forced". They weren't. They were persuaded. Not that former prostitutes like Giuffre needed persuasion. Well, we'll have to wait for Ghislaine's Maxwell testimony on what happened there, unless you have inside information or evidence? In the absence of such, one shouldn't make accusations. Rich people fly to private islands. Johnny Depp has a private islands, and he no doubt brought friends there. Doesn't mean they had orgies. She didn't. You're doing with her what you're doing with me, putting words in my mouth. Pam Bondi was saying the Epstein file was on her desk. That's what she meant anyway, she clarified it publicly. Again, an entertaining fantasy, sadly you have provided zero evidence for this fantasy. You're clearly not au fait with the law. Ghislaine Maxwell was convicted of sex trafficking because her activities involved commercial activity with a minor, which means it's not just consent that's irrelevant, but also force, fraud or coercion. Those don't apply if the victim was a minor, ie they are not required. Had they been required Maxwell most likely would not have been convicted, because she used neither force, nor fraud nor coercion. Lol, you loony leftiers can bang your Trump-so pedophile drum as much as you want, nobody believes your nonsense, apart from your fellow leftie lunatics. The fact is the main witness has just totally exonerated Donald Trump and confirmed he always acted with utmost propriety in her presence. I know this will be a great disappointment and you'll continue spouting the lies you've been spinning about Trump for years, but sad to say, the evidence in the real world does not support your fairytales.

Great, so we feel the same way!

I have superhuman empathy. But don't worry! It's not required for Virginia GIuffre. She had a net worth between 3 million and 12 million pounds when she died. By how many multiples has she done better in life than you have? In fact she killed herself because she feared that the bulk of her money would be lost in yet another legal action, because an artist was suing her for defamation for 7 million pounds for calling her a giirlfriend of Epstein. That appears to have been the reason of her distress, losing her money. Not losing her husband. "Virginia Giuffre was 'extremely distressed' in the lead up to her death and feared she would lose millions in a court battle with another victim of Jeffrey Epstein. Ms Giuffre was being sued by artist Rina Oh for falsely describing her as a girlfriend of Epstein and one of the convicted sex offender's recruiters. The £7.5million lawsuit will now pass on to Ms Giuffre's estate following her death by suicide on April 25." https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14701985/Virginia-Giuffre-distressed-millions-Prince-Andrew-payout-two-weeks-suicide.html Of course some might see this as yet another cat fight over the Epstein millions. Honi soit qui mal y pense.

I'm disgusted that you're trying to persist in the delusion that Virginia Giuffre was anything else but a prostitute, when it is documented she worked as a prostitute one whole year before she even met Epstein. Everyone was a minor. Once. Virginia Giuffre happened to be a minor and a well worn prostitute one whole year before she even met Epstein. in addition Giuffre was a documented liar, who tampered with and falsified emails, falsified her age, and made up stories and delighted in obtaining millions of dollars from extortion based on her lies. You may want to hang your Lancelot shield on a more worthy cause, Chomps. Clearly facts mean nothing to you. I'm also a bit surprised you keep clamoring for the Epstein files to be released when you haven't even read all the files the FBI has already released. Here, go and do some light reading: https://vault.fbi.gov/jeffrey-epstein "Prince Andrew's chief accuser was a prostitute who lied about her age and was paid "half a million" by the disgraced paedophile Jeffrey Epstein, new court papers allege." Virginia Roberts Giuffre, 37, who claims to have had sex with the prince three times when she was 17, was "on the game for about a year" before she met Ghislaine Maxwell, who is accused of sex trafficking her and a number of other young women in the late 1990s and early 2000s. Allegations contained in newly-filed legal documents claim Ms Roberts Giuffre was 16, not 15, when she first met Ms Maxwell in Florida. She is also accused of changing her story about meeting Donald Trump at the last minute and of confusing one of the men she claimed to have been sex trafficked to with another Harvard professor. It is also alleged that she may have doctored an email and was using legal action as a form of "blackmail". https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/12/04/exclusive-prince-andrews-accuser-prostitute-paid-jeffrey-epstein/

Virginia Giuffre was most certainly a common whore, and one year before she met Ghislaine Maxwell she was already working as a prostitute: "Prince Andrew's chief accuser was a prostitute who lied about her age and was paid "half a million" by the disgraced paedophile Jeffrey Epstein, new court papers allege." Virginia Roberts Giuffre, 37, who claims to have had sex with the prince three times when she was 17, was "on the game for about a year" before she met Ghislaine Maxwell, who is accused of sex trafficking her and a number of other young women in the late 1990s and early 2000s. Allegations contained in newly-filed legal documents claim Ms Roberts Giuffre was 16, not 15, when she first met Ms Maxwell in Florida. She is also accused of changing her story about meeting Donald Trump at the last minute and of confusing one of the men she claimed to have been sex trafficked to with another Harvard professor. It is also alleged that she may have doctored an email and was using legal action as a form of "blackmail". https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/12/04/exclusive-prince-andrews-accuser-prostitute-paid-jeffrey-epstein/

He's already released Epstein files: Here, knock yourself out: https://vault.fbi.gov/jeffrey-epstein

Ron Eppinger was convicted for running a prostitution business. Virginina Giuiffre lived with him and was one of his girls. If you think she didn't sell sex in Eppinger's operation you must be the most naive person in the world. "Prince Andrew's chief accuser was a prostitute who lied about her age and was paid "half a million" by the disgraced paedophile Jeffrey Epstein, new court papers allege." Virginia Roberts Giuffre, 37, who claims to have had sex with the prince three times when she was 17, was "on the game for about a year" before she met Ghislaine Maxwell, who is accused of sex trafficking her and a number of other young women in the late 1990s and early 2000s. Allegations contained in newly-filed legal documents claim Ms Roberts Giuffre was 16, not 15, when she first met Ms Maxwell in Florida. She is also accused of changing her story about meeting Donald Trump at the last minute and of confusing one of the men she claimed to have been sex trafficked to with another Harvard professor. It is also alleged that she may have doctored an email and was using legal action as a form of "blackmail". https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/12/04/exclusive-prince-andrews-accuser-prostitute-paid-jeffrey-epstein/ I guess some of the things the files will bring out are not that palatable, huh?

I think you described the process good enough earlier. Clearly you'd prefer to do the job, perhaps you can send an application to the DOJ? Good luck.

It's freakin' public knowledge, go ahead and educate yourself: "It was reported that she had come from a "troubled home" and, from the age of seven, was molested by a close family friend. She lived on the streets at age 14, Later she was abused by a sex trafficker, Ron Eppinger, in Miami. Giuffre lived with Eppinger for approximately 6 months. Eppinger reportedly ran a front business for international sex trafficking known as the modeling agency "Perfect 10". He was raided by the FBI and later pleaded guilty to charges of alien smuggling for prostitution, interstate travel for prostitution, and money laundering." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virginia_Giuffre She was a whore before she even met Epstein.

That's not what people are talking about at all. The documents of the legal cases, both Epstein's and Maxwell's have long been available. People are asking for ALL the files relating to the investigation to be released, including interviews with the "survivors", witnesses and so on. Given that a large portion of the statements made by survivores were later proven to be false and lies, by admission of the survivors themselves in part, releasing files that contain lies and misinformation would just be stupid. Again, absolutely the right decision not to realease all the files. Only those files with true and verified information should be released.