Cameroni

It is of course true that virgins have little experience and you have to teach them, and yes experienced women can be great at sex. However, that is not a key requirement for a long term relationship, because the virgin will learn after all. The problem with the highly experienced woman is that 1) she will come with a truck load of emotional baggage, exes and other issues 2) the disgust factor. I could not be with a woman long term if I knew she'd had 150 guys plus. The disgust would be too strong. They say you have sex with all a woman's previous partners, and that's true, it's not just about STDs but a woman who got cummed on and in that much, there are traces. It's a question of disgust. Six guys, okay, no problem, but more than 9 and the disgust factor would take over, I would be out. With a virgin you do not have that problem, and her lack of baggage and reference guys means the odds of her remaining loyal to you are significantly higher.

This is the sad but inescapable reality, if you do not like her family, if they do not like you, that would be a real problem. I had this beautiful girl, but her mother was a beer drinking promiscuous woman who was always demanding money of her daughter and emotionally manipulating her. She had a nasty aggressive and unpleasant character as well, I met her a few times. The girl's sister was not much better. Unhappily married and telling her sister that cheating was okay, I read her texts. She mostly asked her sister for money non-stop. When my girl cheated she sent a video of the ugly guy and her embracing and kissing to her sister, presumably to have a good laugh and show off. A real lovely family. In short, family does matter. On so many levels. If you don't like the family, the odds are she will do something you don't like as well.

Even if you don't have awesome friends like Kinnock above who will go above and beyond to loyalty test your gf, including by using a honey trap, you can still do so. There are services online who specialize in doing the honey trap, they will have high value males, who work as airline pilots and the like, have 29000 followers on Insta, have money and are not unattractive. They will dm your girl and test her loyalty for you. https://www.loyalty-test.com/l/thecaptain/64c17a2d-0805-481e-9fc3-b685c36b8757 Obviously this costs money, but if it is too expensive, there are also guys on fiverrr who will do it for 10 dollars. If you do this, you can of course never tell her you did it.

If she is worth grabbing, IF, then you are not the only one who's had that idea. Effectively you poached her from some other guy. This means she is poachable. And she will remain so until she hits menopause. So since she is poachable and the sea of thirsty males is an ocean filled with people, well, like you, if you don't vet her character it's not going to end well buddy.

Not as strong as in you. Aren't you paying her 8000 every month AND bringing up her kids from another man? I sent the virgin away after 2 months. And she had no kids.

Would be nice if it was that easy. However, integrity is not determined by class. Nor is intelligence. Or honesty. Indeed, you may find that it is the best looking and most well off girls that have the least integrity.

Yes, true, but she may need your attention, validation, status, physical desirability. It's not always money, but if they enter into a relationship with you they want something from you they don't have. Otherwise there is no reason for her to enter into a relationship with you.

One of the sure fire ways to test a girl is to ask to see her phone. If she immediately gives you her phone, it's a good sign, but you should still review it carefully (she may be bluffing, I actually found something in this scenario once). If she disappears to the toilet or quickly has to delete a "game" before she gives you the phone, you should break up with her immediately. The girl knows if she refuses to show you her phone it will make her look as if she is hiding something, and most girls will show it. Any girl who refuses to show her phone, I would not even be interested in seeing her again. Immediate break up.

The honey trap is a superb way to test her loyalty.

A virgin is a true gift. If a virgin loves you. She will really love you. Because she has no other point of reference. If you are lucky enough to have a rel with a virgin it is the best chance to have a 20 year rel with a woman who is devoted to you. Failing that a 19 year old who had one, two or very few boyfriends. The earlier you get her, the better it is, and the greater the chance she will be loyal if she has good character, and if you have the resources consistently to keep her satisfied.

Very true. As a general rule of course if a girl is in a relationship with you she needs your resources. If she does not need anything from you there is little reason for her to be in a relationship at all.

Almost all women want your resources. True. But some women have integrity, and if they are happy with the resources you provide, they will not cheat on you. However, there are women who have no integrity, and even if they are provided with good resources, they will still cheat on you. This is the danger you need to avoid and why you need to vet the girl.

This is absolutely true. As long as she believes you are her best option she will not cheat on you. But she can like you, if you do not give her any money she may decide she is not getting enough out of the relationship. It is not just about liking you. If she thinks you are not her best option because she can get money from some other guy, even if she likes you she will break up.

Look, I was married for 22 years to a woman like this. She never cheated. I know these women exist. Yes, many women do cheat and do not have integrity. But not all.

Shakira really is a very special case. Whilst it is true she has aged very well, for every Shakira you have a Pamela Anderson, a Brigitte Bardot, I mean real horror stories. And yes indeed, we too, as men, would look better at 30 than at 50, which was my whole point. Yes, you can pay a 50 year old Thai woman to be loyal to you. And maybe she is one of the exceptions and still looks good. However, obviously it is preferable to have a younger woman with integrity who stays with you not for money (or not just for money let's say). However, to determine if she has integrity and good character, a proper vetting has to take place.

You missed the point, it wasn't just about being raised by grandmother and neglected by mother, it was also seeing the mother being a promiscuous lying drunk. Of course if that is the environment the girl is far more likely to lack integrity. Upbringing does matter.

Let's have a look: This was 11 years ago: This was 3 years ago

Not compared to Shakira at 23. Huge difference.

Lol, I don't worship women in the slightest. However, what you guys are suggesting, that ALL women cheat, and you can just pay a little money to some old woman, sorry that is not accurate nor is it a satisfactory solution.

This is not a satisfcatory solution. You don't want to keep chasing women, because just like with women YOU too will be getting older, so there will come a time when you can no longer persuade a 25 year old Thai girl to stay with you for 8000 Baht. The only solution is to find a woman of good character who will stay with you long term and is loyal. That is the only solution that could work. I have managed several times to find a young beautiful woman who was madly in love with me, so whilst it is very difficult, it is certainly not beyond the realms of the possible.

I am not talking about older women over 32 years old. I am not referring to them in any way whatsoever, because I have zero experience of older women. I cannot talk about them meaningfully. I can imagine that indeed for a very old, unattractive woman, she may well be happy with 8000 Baht. But I am not talking about older women. I am talking about women 18 to 30. No older than that.

Look, I am perfectly fine to go along with 50%, 60%, even 70% of women cheat. There is no way on earth that ALL women cheat. That's just overstating the problem. Yes, it is a very, very serious problem. But some women do not cheat. And it's not because they get 8000 Baht, though that may be part of it.

As I said above, if you have a material framework that allows the woman to be content, that is a key requirement to prevent her cheating, together with avoiding creating "other options" for her and of course vetting for a woman that has integrity. However, the problem is that paying her money simply raises expectations and it will never be enough. All women want to improve their life. If they just stagnate and you pay them 8000 Baht, they will not be happy. Therefore the odds of them finding someone who has more money increas, and that is always a risk. Yes of course, the flame of passion can be extinguished too, however, the loyalty that arises from true love and attraction is much stronger than any loyalty to money. A woman will want more. If she gets 8000 baht every month soon she will get used to that, and she will expect more in due course. It will not suffice.

It is true that it was us, men, who invented monogamy, ie we demanded sexual fidelity in exchange for resources. It was men, true. However, women know very well that is what is expected, sexual fidelity in exchange for resources. Now, is it a cardinal problem that women do not respect this covenant, they will take the resources, but they will not give loyalty in return. You have already written above that this is what happens, women cheat. You can't have it both ways and say "Ah, women always cheat" and "Oh just keep paying them and they will stay loyal". This does not make sense. Either they always cheat or you can have some women who do not cheat. You cannot say both things at the same time. However, some women do not cheat, over 20 years, they do not cheat. Why not? Because 1) the material framework was satisfactory to them AND 2) they are women of integrity and good character and do not want to cheat. This is why I started this thread by saying there are 2 kinds of women. Those who cheat, and those who do not, given certain circumstances.

It took 35 hours for my Wise transfer recently, but that was because it was done on a Sunday, so it had more to do with the Thai bank I suspect.