lordgrinz

On 3/6/2024 at 5:57 PM, JimGant said:

If somehow all the money you wire to Thailand can strictly be identified as dividends and interest -- paid after Jan 1, 2024 -- then, yes, Thailand has first taxation dibs. But whatever Thai taxes you pay can be used as a tax credit against your US taxes (per the DTA rules and Form 8833 rules). [US gets to tax it due to the saving clause, which allows taxation of virtually all worldwide income, regardless of what any DTA says.]

 

But are you filtering these dividends and interest through a bank account that existed pre 2024? And if so, the balance that existed Dec 31, 2023 is your forever never assessable amount of money that can be remitted to Thailand. This, too, for your IRA balance on 31 Dec, as this was also income paid pre 31 Dec -- that it was tax deferred doesn't enter into the equation for remitted money to Thailand.

 

We're not really playing fast and lose with the fungibility of money concept. Accounting rules like FIFO and LIFO don't apply to remittances, but to inventories. So the co-mingling of pre and post 2024 monies in a bank account aren't addressed in worldwide accounting concepts when it comes to remittances. And Thailand probably won't become a unique player in defining which end of the money pot remittances come from first. So, for now, you're on solid ground to self-designate that your wire remittances to Thailand are FIFO. Hey, you take advantage of every angle that doesn't bend any existing rule. Besides, the chance that Thai RD will want to discuss any of this with you is practically nil -- and if they do, you're on solid ground.

 

So, what was your financial bottom line on 31 Dec 2023? Consider this amount as completely exempt from any future Thai taxes, to be added to any amounts, like gov't pensions and social security, also exempt, per DTA.

 

 

If all of that is true, then that makes me feel better! Do we need to file a Thai tax return if we remit money to Thailand from any of these "never assessable amounts of money"? My wife already files a Thai return that includes me (using my Pink ID number as my Thai Tax ID), but not sure if she will need to add anything I remit here that's "never assessable". As of Dec 31st 2023 I had a pretty good amount of savings in two banks, and an IRA at my brokerage, also an interest bearing cash account at the brokerage (all of these in the USA). I am still planning to ride out 2024 without remitting anything, just to see how others handle the tax issues first, but good to hear that this may not effect me all that badly, if at all.

He will be brought in to find out where he should send his next batch of brown envelopes, then all will be right in the world again.

The first guy has assaulting and kicking a woman on public property, a road range incident with an Ambulance, and now possessing two firearms without a license and carrying them concealed in public. He went for the trifecta of reasons to deport his arse, unless there are more criminal acts he has been involved in here in Thailand? Who the heck is this guy?!?!

5 hours ago, FritsSikkink said:

More problems for the first Swiss: https://www.thaipbsworld.com/swiss-man-who-allegedly-assaulted-thai-doctor-faces-additional-charges/?fbclid=IwAR3lFC1XEgtcOQ9E-MzA4EdoVr-3elkyNwtUDTQdm66mnS8qfhzk_9x3XRk

Yikes! This guy is a menace! Carrying a concealed firearm in Thailand, and he's a Farang?!?! I somehow think there is way more to this guys story, and who has been protected or supporting his Shenanigans, the boys in brown?

I can see the new Army leaders salivating at this news from the Democrats, que the riots, then in come the armored personnel carriers (Thank you USA!). Then....Deja Vu!  

6 minutes ago, TroubleandGrumpy said:

Will he also spend some time in jail before being deported? I dont think he should - just legally find him guilty and then deport - his time in remand should be enough.  On the plus side - he is about to find out if his Thai wife is a good one. 

 

On the plus plus side - a few Expats are going to realise that avoiding conflict with Thais is even more wise than it was before. Going forward social media will be utilised against any Expat causing problems - keep low profile. 

You would think he would pay a fine and leave, or maybe he'll use a Case Visa (Defendants Visa) to gain time to pack up and leave at a later point.

Yup, he has now officially had his Visa revoked! Nitwit had it coming, though he still has a court case to deal with before they deport him.

Meanwhile over a million soi dogs are suffering on every street corner, only because they can't make money on exploiting them.

40 minutes ago, DrJack54 said:

So just home now from trip to CW for transfer of stamps.

 

Apart from the list of what photocopies they require from old and new pp (list on back of form I posted earlier) 

They wanted not just updated bank book but  also copy of all bank book pages.

She carefully checked the balances back till my last extension 

In any event no more first hand reports re CW immigration from me. 

I'm moving to the Dark Side for extensions 

 

Edit: as I posted earlier....the reentry permit was not transferred as it was obtained at DMK.

If you are planning to renew your pp then obtain the permit at your immigration office so it can be transferred.  

Should we now put CW on your list of places to ignore? 😉

20 minutes ago, DrJack54 said:

I have learnt to disregard almost anything from Nonthanburi.

So you are stating that after attending immigration to have stamps transferred that for your next annual extensions you were required to provide ....what exactly.

Surely not copies of all old pp pages. 

Yes, they wanted copies of all the pages from the old passport for the next extension only, after that they said they wouldn't be needed. Believe me, I wish all IO's did things exactly the same, and by the book, but we all know that isn't reality. 

3 hours ago, Liquorice said:

Shouldn't need copies of anything Jack.

They merely transfer stamps from old to new, noting original entry date to Thailand and the visa type (Non O) and the current permission of stay date stamp.

 

Did mine just a few months ago, no documents other than the form requesting transfer and old passport, no fee.

At Nonthaburi IO they made a point of telling me they wanted copies off all the pages of the Old Passport and New Passport when I did my next extension. I handed them the old passport book and copies off all the pages when I went for my extension in February, everything went smoothly. After that they said they wouldn't need those copies for future extensions. Not sure why they wanted them, but I kept them happy.

I'm still hoping for a new Ice Age, oh well 😒

I use my Amazon Prime Visa card, which I believe has no foreign transaction fees, though I can't remember the last time I used it here. Everything here is paid using my wife's CC's or more often by using my SCB account for online payments or purchases. I pay almost everything using my SCB app, haven't been in any situation where I really needed the Amazon Prime card here, the SCB app is super convenient to make everyday purchases. 

1 hour ago, Kul1 said:

You are correct lordgrunz , my apostille is from my home state . I never had it certified by US Secretary of State . First time I ever heard of such a requirement . Difficult to acquire now from Thailand Im sure . The reality is , the officer wouldn’t even look at the state apostille and license. Just zero negotiations . You must have thai license or certificate from Thai Embassy, with Thai seal , nothing else will be accepted. Thanks for your help and advise .

Yeah, they have no way to verify a US territorial state document, other than going the full route of legalization through all the channels. I had my brother send all my documents back and forth to all the entities, below is a link to the procedure for legalization. You did the state part already, just a few more steps (US State Department, US Thai Embassy, MFA), though time consuming. If you have someone in the states to help with all the USPS priority tracked mailing, then they could get you the rest of the way, then the MFA you can do yourself from Thailand. Don't get too discouraged. 

https://newyork.thaiembassy.org/en/page/legalization?menu=61ea69ddf85ab7598d722da2

https://washingtondc.thaiembassy.org/th/page/certify-us-documents

2 hours ago, Mike Lister said:

(I allow the RD staff to complete my return online, which is in Thai. I feed them the numbers and explain what it is and they do the data entry. At the end, they print off the bottom line which has to agree with my spreadsheet version....and it always does).

Can you expand on that? So we get a free tax preparer at the RD?

If you're a leader of a country, where the buck stops with you, and you're are shocked, it's time to let the people know you are out of your depth and resign.

12 hours ago, Kul1 said:

Yes lordgrinz we were married in US in 2015, wife retained her name .

moved to Thailand in 2017

My marriage license from US does have the gold leaf apostille attached to it (expensive and time consuming to get) ,made no difference to officer . The letter from US embassy, expensive trip and time consuming also . Irrelevant to this woman. I have no answer for being treated like this . The wife had to do the arguing, and she nearly had a nervous breakdown! Later outside she was adamant that she had enough, never go back in that office again. I’ve already started greencard process for the wife , we both had enough.

So long Thailand 👋🏾

Did you get the Apostille legalized at a Thai Embassy in the US? Plus, I think the Gold seal is the state Apostille, you would still need to get it authenticated by the US Secretary of state(which when they are done is a bonded/riveted together multi-paged document), I believe the Secretary of State was John Kerry in 2015. Then bring that back here to the MFA and have them certify the US Thai Embassy signature?

My full Apostille/Authenticated Marriage documents have an original notarized (embossed seal) marriage certificate, a letter from the Secretary of the Commonwealth (Massachusetts) with his Gold Seal applied verifying the signature of the Notary, then it has the top off-white/Manila letter from the US State Department (embossed seal) with the US Secretary of States signature certifying the Massachusetts seal, then a red and blue stamped seal from the Thai Embassy in Washington DC with Signature on the Top riveted page from the US State department. The backside of that top page has the MFA stamp certifying the signature of the Thai Embassy in Washington DC. So three pages riveted together with multiple certifications by people attesting to all of the signatures and seals.

7 hours ago, oldcpu said:

 

Were you able to get a Kor-22 BEFORE doing all of that ?  For myself (my Thai wife and I were married in Canada) I could only get the Kor-22 AFTER first having my passport 'officially' translated to Thai, the marriage certificate 'officially' translated to Thai, have translations and copy of marriage certificate certified by Canadian Embassy in Bangkok, then taken to Thai MFA (ministry of foreign affairs) in Bangkok for certification, and only AFTER that taken to local city hall in Phuket, where marriage was registered and I was able to get the Kor-22. 

 

So if you were able to get a Kor-22 before doing all that, I clearly over did it in my approach.

 

Fortunately, my no longer being on a Type-OA visa, I no longer need to go for extensions of my permission to stay based on marriage (and hence Kor-22 no longer needed).

 

It would surprise me if an immigration office would reject an updated Kor-22 (where I think some immigration offices require the Kor-22 to be updated every year for extensions of a permission to stay based on marriage).

My wife did the Kor Ror 22 and Surname change before I even applied for a Visa back in early 2016, using only the state (Massachusetts) issued marriage certificate (Notary sealed) and a translated copy, not sure if she also used a copy of my Passport info page. The only thing I did when I got here was to get the Affidavit, for Immigration extension purposes, from the American Embassy in Bangkok stating the following:

"I ______________________ married_________ at the address of __________________ in the town of __________ in the state of ____________________
on the date of _________________ ,the ceremony of marriage was administered by the Justice of the Peace and acting Town Clerk ______________."

 And like said, a year later I went through the process of getting the Apostille/Authentication, because I wasn't sure if the marriage documentation would ever be questioned in the future, so far no problems. We were also told by my IO we don't need an updated Kor Ror 22 because my wife changed her Surname to mine, otherwise they would have asked for one.

1 hour ago, ThailandRyan said:

Was it purchased with those ill-gotten gains or from legitimate means, Inquiring minds want to know. Why do so many despise this family? Rhetorical question.

He was a former police officer, then became a politician, everything is "ill-gotten gains". 

10 hours ago, Kul1 said:

Some more difficult hurdles at my local office (Mukdahan)

went in yesterday 27th for a 2 month extension to visit wife , REJECTED 

i was on a 90 day non O from savannakhet, trying to extend it

the ridiculous reasoning left me it dumbfounded and i just walked out

they wanted to see marriage license, said ok have that 

then thai translation, certified said ok have that .

US embassy letter (sworn affidavit) ok , here you go ,have that. 
she turns to my wife and says , no im not accepting these , they could be fake !

wife says they’re what we have provided for 8 years now , NO!

Agent then pulls out a thai marriage certificate, with big thai seal , and says if it doesn’t look like this im not accepting it .

wife says just give a tourist visa then , NO ! He not eligible for that . 
had to border run to Laos , just get 30 day exempt stamp , try figure this <deleted> out .

time to go home , looking better all the time 

be prepared my friends, not getting easier 

 

Did you marry in the USA or Thailand?

Did your wife ever get the Kor Ror 2, or Kor Ror 22 done?

and did she also change her surname to yours?

Other than what you presented above, we also present our Kor Ror 22, and her Surname change each year. But just in case (a year later) I went ahead and got our Marriage Certificate from the USA authenticated by the US State Department (Apostille/Authentications), then had it legalized through the Thai Embassy in Washington D.C. and then stamped at MFA here at Chaengwattana. The Apostille/Authenticated version, as far as I know, is as high as you can go with that process, but it takes considerable time and effort to get it all done. I was worried about eventually running into the same issue you have, that's why I went with the Apostille, so far I haven't had to pull that out though.

4 minutes ago, Burma Bill said:

 

For those posters quoting 8 billion Chinese, the above article clearly states 8 million Chinese!!

The link to the original story on TheThaiger still clearly states "8 billion Chinese".