MangoKorat

2 hours ago, JonnyF said:

Yes, your ilk always overlook government atrocities when it suits them. I'm guessing it's very cheap to live where you are going? 

And my 'ilk' is what?

I have no idea what the cost of living in Thailand has to do with this conversation.

Where is the 'goverment attrocity'? Do you mean the police response to the violence and looting and the ensuing punishments?  That's an attrocity?  Should we let these thugs destroy public property that we have paid for out of our taxes?  Let them riot freely?  There would almost certainly have been lynchings.

A close friend of mine, a 68 year old Jamaican woman who spent 30 years of her life working in British hospitals was jostled in the street and told to 'f off home' in the supermarket during the riot period - she was terrified!  That woman has probably done more for the UK than many of us - and unlike some lazy British benefit claimants, she's probably paid more tax.

My friend has a total right to live out her retirement in peace - free from fear.  Those who abused her are just lucky that I wasn't there.

2 hours ago, JonnyF said:

The killer of the 3 children in Stockport was British. 

He was not British in the eyes of the rioters - and you know that very well. You've shot yourself in the foot with your attempt at cleverness.

2 hours ago, JonnyF said:

Other examples are of riots following murders by British people are the death of Mark Duggan. Check it out..

The killing of Mark Duggan was a totally different situation and the riots that ensued were actually the result of the perceived treatment of black people by the police in the UK. The riots were also almost totally confined to Tottenham. I didn't see any black people beating up whites during those riots. There is no comparison between the two situations - the only common factor is the riot - the reasons are totally different,

19 minutes ago, Foxx said:

"Racist Mob Violence" - surely that should be "Patriot Mob Violence".  The British people were never asked whether they wanted their communities to be degraded by vast numbers of people from less civilised countries.

Communities degraded?  Have you any idea what would happen to the NHS if there wasn't any immigrants.

But such thoughts are wasted on you aren't they?  The very fact that your small mind can only think that migrants 'degrade' a community shows the level of your intelligence. And you are living where?  Thailand?  I suppose you think your presence 'upgrades' your Thai community?

Have you any idea what the make up of so called 'Brtish Ethnicity' actually is?  How far back can you trace your roots?  How many generations does it take before someone can call themselves British?

Yes, the UK has immigration problems and I do not support unlimited immigration but if you seek out the truth, you will find the message spread by these racist a hole groups is in fact almost total rubbish.

1 hour ago, JonnyF said:

The authorities tried to hide the fact it was a son of Rwandan immigrants. They tried to be clever by hiding it and it backfired spectacularly. 

They most certainly did not. The BBC reported the facts at the earliest opportunity. But, what if they did. for that matter? What difference would it make? Why should people riot simply because a killer is not British?

I'll tell you why - they are nothing more than racist meatheads.

2 hours ago, JonnyF said:

 

No chance of the cultural enrichers being brought to justice. It doesn't fit the left's narrative.

 

If you commit similar offenses with a short haircut and heaven forbid, an England shirt or flag you will feel the full weight of the law however.

 

Two tier Britain. 

 

Thank god I left. 

 

 

Thankfully your views are very much in the minority - as was evidence by the counter protests - carried out, you might note with no damage to public property or any violence.

You should perhaps read up on the 'misinformation' that was spread in order to spark the riots - and who spread that information. There was not a shred of truth in what was used as an excuse.

British people have carried out horrific murders in the past - have you ever seen riots and violence cause by that?

'Thank god' I will also be leaving the UK shortly and one reason for that is because of the rise of these uneducated far right lunatics.  Yes, I'm going to a country who's government has little sympathy for people who have been genuinely displaced etc. but its not my country so I needn't be ashamed.

8 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Two posts in and nothing but grievance stroking.

 

I for one think it’s fabulous news that racist rioters are getting locked up for their crimes.

 

More please.

 

 

Agreed.

Its a shame that it was only realised after the first round of court appearances that some of the racist a-holes could be charged with rioting which carries a 10 year maximum jail term rather than the violent disorder which carries a maximum of 5 years.

I was in Thailand when the rioting began and didn't see the UK news until a few days in. I had my TV on mute and wasn't paying much attention but thinking 'I wonder where that is' - then I noticed a bus go past and was shocked to realise that it was my home country. Shocked and ashamed!

Yes, the UK has an immigration problem, as does much of Europe but there is no excuse for rioting, violence and looting - what will that solve?  They are criminals and I'm pleased to see that on the whole they are being given appropriate jail terms - especially now that some are being charged with riot.

One exception so far though, and I think they got this very wrong - one woman was charged with incitement for posting on social media that a mosque should be bombed with the congregation in it.  That, in my opinion, is just a stupid comment, its not incitement, she didn't actually incite anyone.  I believe she was sentenced to 15 months in jail for that and I would expect it to be successfully challenged at appeal. Sentence the real culprits properly by all means but her sentence creates serious concerns regarding freedom of speech for me.

Watching it on TV - it was quite clear that the majority of the brain dead rioters were the usual 'football hooligan' types - often associated with a certain Mr. Robinson. The far right racists have been waiting for an excuse to carry out such 'protests' and used misinformation (as usual) to incite their hooligan members to carry out the violence and looting. 

I'd like to know how burning police cars and attacking public property solves any immigration problem? Anyway, they are now reaping the rewards - I hope more are charged with riot. They need to learn that their behaviour is simply not acceptable to the vast majority of a civilised country and now they have plenty of time to contemplate the results of their actions.

10 hours ago, NorthernRyland said:

 

The entire point of legal marriage is that you lose right to hold title and all assets become joint

What?  Who loses the right to hold title? Title to what?  If you mean property, in the case of a Thai wife, that is simply not true.

Also, not all assets become joint. Some are  'Sin Suan Tua' - (assets held before marriage):

1. property belonging to either spouse before marriage
2. property for personal use, dress or ornament suitable for station in life, or tools necessary for carrying on the profession of either spouse
3. property acquired by either spouse during marriage through a will or gift
4. Khongman.

Or 'Sin Somros' (jointly owned matrimonal property):

1. property acquired during marriage;
2. property acquired by either spouse during marriage through a will of gift made in writing if it is declared by such will or document of gift to be Sin Somros (jointly owned property);
3. fruits of Sin Suan Tua (personal property).

There is some 'blurring' - one example: If you held an asset before marriage (Sin Suan Tua), in general, any uplift in value since the marriage is considered 'Sin Somros'. But the above is the 'gist' of it.

A lot of foreigners don't realise the above applies and simply walk away losing everything. They may have been asked to sign a document stating that any money used to buy land was given as a gift to their wife and they will not make any future claim on it.  According to my lawyer, such documents are illegal because they go against Thai law and that has been upheld in court.

Depending on the details and fine points, in this case it is probable that the guy can force the sale of the land and house (through the courts) and obtain half of the proceeds.

More details here:

https://www.samuiforsale.com/family-law/personal-and-marital-property.html

2 hours ago, dinsdale said:

No maybe about it. The tide has well and truly turned. The establishment is and has been for a long time under threat of losing it's privilege. The EC, CC and even the military will not be able to stop this move to reform. 

Would you like to bet on that?  It doesn't matter how many parties are formed or rise from the ashes of Future Forward or Move Forward, they will not be allowed to take up and meaningful positions, should they win any future elections.  The establishment will take comfort in the fact that Move Forward were not allowed to put forward a Prime Minister without reaction from the people and then the party was 'disolved' - again without any protests.  Do you seriously think they will not do exactly the same again?

Change and reform in Thailand may well be long overdue but unless the people rise up and rise up seriously, nothing's going to change.  Such a rising would involve considerable bloodshed and the evidence so far points to them not having the stomach for that.

Part of the problem as I see it is that apart from not having the stomach for serious protest, the public themselves are complicit in what I believe is the country's biggest problem - corruption.  Corruption appears to take place at all levels of society - as I've been discovering recently whilst trying to help a Thai friend find a job in local government.  It seems that its not how well qualified you may be to do a particular job, its how much you are prepared to pay for it. That's one aspect, another is cow-towing complicity such as paying 'fines' for made up traffic offences. Unless the public are prepared stop being complicit in such matters, they can hardly baulk at the dinosaurs that are their masters.  Those dinosaurs have the power and resources to quell any serious unrest - as they showed not too long ago with the Red Shirts.

At the 'Establishment' level, reform is what is required - reform of the sort that Move Forward proposed. However, the people themselves need to reform - stop paying for jobs and stop paying 'fines' for made up traffic offences - and I'm picking on just two aspects there.  The more I look into it, the more I discover that the entire system in Thailand is rotten.  There is also the issue of eating s h i t that Thai's put up with when dealing with officialdom.  

What happened after the last election and the lack of reaction to the dissolution of Move Forward seems to indicate that whilst the people want reform they neither have the stomach for any meaningful protest nor are they prepared to reform themselves.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      

10 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

Worldwide condemnation and international shame and humiliation is the most we can ask for at this point. 

And all they will do is close ranks and pretend the world is wrong.  They really don't care.

21 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

Will the Thai people rise up and force reform?

You would hope so and the people of most countries with any self respect would.  However, the people's failure to respond to the election sham in any meaningful way points to the fact that they will not.

I spoke to several Thai's following the election and the mood seems to be that whatever they do, it will be a waste of time.  They seem resigned to the fact that they will be s h a t on forever.

We can but hope that their application for a seat on the UN HRC is now denied, as it almost certainly will be now and that stirs up something but somehow I doubt even that.  They will consider they will lose face by being denied a seat but they will lose more face, closer to home if the court's decision is overturned.

Absolute disgrace - much the same as the c r a p that the Thai public has been expected to believe with the Thaksin fiasco. This and all previous governments + the military and judiciary treat the Thai people like 5 year olds and just spout whatever childish rubbish they like.

Oh, and there's no sex for sale in Pattaya either - another line fed to the public.