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Bravo! No child slayer should get away with such a horrendous crime - EVER!!

Well I think you can't blame a member who has found this video to do a background check, as those who made the video obviously know what they're talking about. However obviously even dear Jacob is not aware of that because he says "if I don't steal it somebody else is going to steal it." which in my eyes is a clear confession of theft and the justification he delivers is more than pathetic. By the way do you have any proof for your statement? Any land papers that can back it? If the Americans bought that house hundred years ago for how long didn't they show because according to some laws if the owner doesn't show for decades the land is vacant. Again maybe you have some Intel on that too. Nevertheless that does not change the fact that Israelis keep stealing land from Palestinians as they have done for decades now. Even if this particular house was American owned that does not change that hundreds of square kilometers have been stolen by Israel which is even supported in their basic law.

You said silly. However why do you think the political views have any effects on the qualification of a specialist on that field to judge if a country is committing genocide? Any judge, no matter if from that committee or from the ICJ or ICC has a set of rules and laws he must strictly follow and base his decisions on, independent of his personal political opinion. Never mind. Why do I even bother asking you? I mean, you claim what the IDF has done in Gaza is self-defense.

Here you go again with your by now easy to see through strategy: You quote a single statement out of context and if I provide proof, this was the Israeli attitude even before October 7 like here in 2018 https://www.france24.com/en/20180408-israel-defence-minister-says-no-innocent-people-gaza or during the recent war https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/social-media/israel-posts-video-saying-are-no-innocent-civilians-gaza-rcna157111 https://www.i24news.tv/en/news/israel-at-war/artc-poll-62-of-israelis-say-there-are-no-innocent-people-in-gaza You will state: And call me a liar or a not honest broker. Despite logic dictates that when I write "Because Israel and many members in here claimed that there are no innocents in Gaza so indiscriminate bombing is the way to go" that I was not quoting word by word as all of them most likely did not use the same wording. It is clear that I was just giving the general sense or the gist of what they said. For you any deviation from the original wording despite the core message is not changed at all, is a lie and therefore anything else I wrote is not true so why bother answering to that. How comfortable. So no need to comment the more than 20 organizations accusing Israel for of genocide Also why honor my previous questions with answers, when I am a liar so probably my questions are lies too, right? Just act as if they were never asked. And instead ask more questions. Questions you are well aware, I could not answer. I don`t know. Your country would not let me in to ask them. Which you are aware of yet you ask me. What is the purpose of your question then? Hoping I`d answer so that you can blame me of being dishonest and dodge possibly uncomfortable questions again? Or even worse accuse me of being a Hamas friend, as how would I otherwise be able to get that intel? What about answering my questions before asking me any?

Thank you very much for this post as it perfectly shows how Zionists justify their actions. 2 of them have already been mentioned, Whataboutism and Deflection from the main issue. Another very common strategy is taking well known facts out of the context and misusing them to draw wrong conclusions, to justify the mass murder committed by Israel: Fact 1: In World War II 6 million Germans died Fact 2: In World War II 450 thousand Britons died. Question: Under consideration of these numbers did the British commit genocide? Answer: No, they didn't. Conclusion: Israel does not commit genocide. Are you serious? Do I really have to explain to you that the Second World War was between countries, each of them with armies, air forces and warships, while the war in Gaza is between an occupying country with one of the most modern armies on our planet and financial plus military support from the last remaining superpower on our planet and an occupied area with no regular military let alone tanks or planes or whatever. Did you somehow forget that Germany was fighting against many countries, which is by the way the reason they call it World War and not British German war or Limey Kraut war and that those 6,000,000 Germans were not exclusively killed by Britons? You say we need context not childish number games but you replace those number games by childish word games. And you insult our intelligence. I can't say that I really know what Hamas wants but I know what incident gave birth to Hamas: the creation of the state of Israel on Palestinian land, the violent deportation of 750,000 Palestinians including the killing of thousands of them with the intention of ethnic cleansing. The ongoing violent settlement on Palestinian land, the occupation of Gaza and oppression and abuse of Palestinians there from 1967 to 2006. And as you might know, there would not be any Hamas if Israel and Netanyahu personally wouldn't have supported the finances needed to create them in 1987. Please explain why you think the numbers are obviously less. I think they are obviously much higher than that because the Gaza Ministry of Health only counts confirmed deaths and not those disappeared under the rubble. I do not support that, but one might argue that Hamas is indirectly responsible for the deaths on both sides of the conflict. But it is always and without exception the person who pulls the trigger who is directly responsible for death plus maybe his superior who ordered the killing. The real problem is that western media and subsequently western opinion adopted this distorted version of justice, although we would never accept that in our own society. Because there would be no boundaries for violence and counter violence if that was true. There is self-defense and there is Exceeding the limits of self-defense using excessive force which isn`t self-defense but a crime. If some aggressive neighbor starts punching me in the face, maybe even breaks my nose and I try to prevent further damage by kicking him in the groin, that’s called self-defense. But if I follow him to his house and beat him and his wife into coma, no judge in the western civilization would call this self-defense. But somehow Israel convinced us, that it is.

That is called the right of self-determination, meaning you can choose who's going to kill you. Now jokes aside, as had been said before, the number of Palestinians killed by Palestinians no matter how high, is no justification for Israel to occupy a complete area and later flatten it killing 10s of thousands. So, what's your point? Anyway, thank you for this statement, as it clearly backs the fact that many Palestinians are not in or for Hamas and do not support them, in fact they oppose them and sometimes pay the ultimate price. Because Israel and many members in here claimed that there are no innocents in Gaza so indiscriminate bombing is the way to go.

Sure, probably just some dumb leftists, who have the audacity to accuse Israel of genocide without sending their definition of genocide to us. Hmm, well, unfortunately there are one or two other organizations which accuse Israel of genocide. Some of them real heavy weights. What is you opinion about them? Leftist? Hamas? Anti-semites? Not honest brokers aka liars? Lemkin institute for genocide prevention Euro Mediterranean human rights monitor Center for constitutional rights International Federation of human rights Doctors against genocide Mennonite central committee American friends service committee Action Aid Amnesty International European centre for constitutional and human rights Genocide watch Human Rights Watch Medico international Jerusalem Center for legal aid and human rights Independent Commission for Human Rights Defence for Children International Human concern international Trocaire B`Tselem Oxfam Physicians for human rights International Association of genocide scholars War resister`s international Medecins sans frontieres (Doctors Without Borders) Refugees international UNHRC Err .... @Yellowtail my dear, are you still there?

If I block a certain member I won`t be able to see his posts from then on until I unblock them, right? Can that member still see my posts? If yes, wouldn`t it be better if one can choose between both options, blocking partially where the blocked member still can see my posts but I wouldn`t see his same as his reactions to mine and blocking totally, where both sides cannot see each others posts?

I have none. Who am I to decide this? Genocide is a very serious accusation that`s why only real experts should have a say on that. Like the highest institution for that the International Association of Genocide Scholars Meaning if those experts call it a genocide, I´ll call it a genocide. Sorry, I am not a native speaker, my expression lead to misunderstanding. Would you mind answering my question about how can you condemn one atrocity done to about 1200 and at the same time support another atrocity done to 100.000? And please answer without splitting hairs.

Oh please, please, please stop doing that. I never said there is no clear definition. I said world`s best qualified experts decided that already probably using the latest definition so for me that's good enough to call a genocide a genocide and I wasn`t aware of different ones. YOU said there are different definitions. No, I did not say that. I do not want to say that. I will not say that. I never even mentioned Cambodia. I have no idea why you are creating more confusion. We do not live in the same reality. Don`t tell me you don`t buy something which I never tried to sell to you. That`s just not helping.

No you don`t. It has been decided by the world`s most educated and specialized experts. Nothing more to say. For me genocide is genocide, I had no idea there are traditional genocides and modern ones. To be honest, I do not understand why people are getting so exited, if it is a genocide or not. Let`s say we use some definition in favor of Israel, (which I cannot imagine does exist,) and find out there is no genocide? And then what? Are then all the atrocities committed by Israel somehow ok? The killing of maybe close to or more than 100.000. Most of them women an children The bombing of almost every building in Gaza The destruction of every hospital, school, university, you name it. The execution of a world record number of journalists and medics. The 15 aid workers, butchered and buried. The intentional shooting of children in the head, chest, abdomen and genitals? CHILDREN! The execution of Hind Rajab. Something that if done by any Muslim country would have a global outrage with all leaders expressing their disgust. But an executed 5-year-old Palestinian girl, begging for her life before butchered with more then 350 bullets? Not worth mentioning. I don`t want to live in a world where a 5-year-old girl has to beg for her life, still gets murdered and people call it self-defense. Do you? I do not blame you by any means for any of these horrible things, which I thought were impossible in my time, at least impossible that an allied democracy would do that. But you are dead wrong, when you keep defending, downplaying or even justifying that. I mean, how can you condemn those abominations committed on October 7 (and once again, despite some people here try to brand me as a Hamas sympathizer, I condemn Hamas and what they have done to those kids and young people. I was sitting in front of my computer, sobbing, when I saw the footage, pressing pause repeatedly as this was too much to take.) when you support the exact same abominations done by the IDF a Thousand times more? THAT`S what I need to hear an explanation for. THAT`s what I fail to understand. And not some man made definition which increases or decreases the gravity of mass murder. Can you help me out? This is no rhetorical question.

What? Who? Sorry, you lost me at "claimed of making claims which were not claimed". Jokes aside, do you realize that you just committed the same "dishonesty" by describing the debate in your own words instead of quoting it with the exact wording? Something quite common in debates and definitely no proof of dishonesty. And you support a genocide. We all have to live with our imperfections.

Throwing out the next bait? If you really wanted to know, you would have googled that already. But instead you ask me about the definition of genocide used by those HR organizations. Why? Because you respect me as a source of knowledge and wisdom? All you want is me quoting that and just changing the words a little bit without corrupting the definition or even just forgetting a "," and once again you have a "proof" of me being a liar, which makes all I said a lie, and all my critique towards Israel wrong. You`re becoming predictable. But to quote Jamie Lannister: "Not much to be gained from discussing with you though, is there?"

OMG! Are you serious? You accuse me of being a liar and not an honest broker because I wrote the sentence above and despite these quotes Aha, and what do you think was meant by "it"? Global warming? Oh, and how exactly do you continue a war, if you have withdrawn already? Well, maybe you haven`t noticed but in the recent 2 years Palestinians were mostly if not exclusively suffering from the effects of the war, which was partially justified by the ongoing detainment of the hostages, so I am quite sure he was talking about the war that will stop, when he wrote "civilians suffering". But who knows, maybe he meant some horrific Arab TV shows. However, my initial post that made you call me a not honest broker, was ... (By the way, I am no broker, never was. I am a medic) That was no quote. I was just giving the general sense of many posts, I had read in the last months, which should have been plausible for you, as 1. I did not use " ", which are applied when quoting someone 2. I was referring to "pro Israel fellows", meaning Plural, and basic common sense should have told you that it is rather unlikely that all of them used exactly the same words. But why stick to profanities when there is a chance to brand some opponent as a liar, right? And you have no problem expressing insinuations like the one that I "must have loved that", when I mentioned the Israeli hostages who had been shot by their own people. You even applaud the resumption of the Israeli bombing of Gaza and the genocide. Yet in your world I am the bad guy. Children not so much but the latter, well, see above. You do understand that an insinuation cannot be proved by repeating the same insinuation, don`t you? Just accept it, YOUR truth is completely out. And so are you. You must be really desperate, when you have to come up with such extremely far-fetched allegations to oppose me. Understandable, you are defending mass murder, starvation and land theft.

I don`t know if you have noticed, but practically EVERY Human Rights organization concluded, that Israel is committing genocide. Two leading human rights organizations based in Israel, B’Tselem and Physicians for Human Rights, say Israel is committing genocide. The world's leading association of genocide scholars the International Association of Genocide Scholars (IAGS) has declared that Israel is committing genocide in Gaza. I guess I will have to write letters to all of them telling them our leading expert, his excellency Mike Hunt, has concluded they are all wrong. And Hamas sympathizers. 🤣

Proof enough? And you keep on trolling. Why do you say I am not an honest broker? Because I wrote that some members have said if Hamas would free the hostages, the war would be over? You even concede, that you could be wrong. Meaning you are not sure. But interestingly you are sure that I am a liar despite not being sure if what I wrote was the truth. Not even implying that I could be wrong about members making that statement same as you admit you could be wrong about members not saying such a thing, which in both cases would be a mistake but not an intentional lie. All you are trying is to insult and cause some kind of reaction. Because you feel threatened by me and by what I wrote, otherwise you wouldn`t bother wasting your time commenting my posts. Maybe there is no other way than to put you on ignore.

Well, the part of my post you quoted already included the answer to your question: Because he "simply cannot understand them same as I will never be able to understand (his) mindset." Or in other words, in his world there is only black and white when it comes to Israel. Israel is the good side, and he will support practically anything Israel and the IDF do unconditionally same as he will always condemn anything the Palestinians or Hamas do as evil. Same as you. The minute anybody criticizes Israel he must be Hamas. There is no other explanation in your mindset. Despite I have many times shown my disgust for Hamas and how much I despise what they have done on October 7, that doesn't count for you, as soon as I mentioned anything critical about Israel, I am judged as the Hamas sympathizer by you. And that is why I wrote comments on each other's posts is completely useless and a waste of time. You will probably ask yourself, how stupid can a person from the western world be, that he supports terrorists like Hamas who would probably introduce Sharia law in his country if they could. And I am asking myself, why some people in here are so biased that they repeatedly condemn the atrocities of October 7 with almost 1200 people dead but support the killing of 10s of thousands 2/3 of them being women and children. How can they support a country that has been stealing land from other people or neighboring countries and keep doing so. How can they just ignore the atrocities committed by the IDF like target practice on children or shooting starving people who came for food, executing the 15 aid workers, executing 5-year-old Hind Rajab, and so on. How can they repeatedly condemn Hamas for raping hostages while the IDF is doing the same with their … err … prisoners, some of them even children. And somehow, I'm sure that when you just read these last sentences I wrote, all you understood was: “I love Hamas, Hamas forever, Hamas is great, I want to be ruled by Hamas.” Same mindset, that made you think I am a Hamas supporter, and which makes me think you are a terror apartheid state supporter.

Look, I made the mistake of reacting to your posts and at some point I reached a level where instead of posting my opinion based on facts, I started, same as you did and now do again, use wrong facts, empty allegations and hateful statements. Which had consequences. I acknowledged my misbehavior, which, should I repeat it, would make me look like an idiot or at least like someone with low self-control. So, for the last time: Many wrote “If Hamas gives back the hostages, the war would be over immediately”, even Israeli politicians said that and recently Trump. Same goes for many Israeli politicians repeatedly stating that the main goal was getting back the hostages. You just completely deny that. Maybe you just didn't get it. I have better things to do than find sources to prove you wrong or to read through countless posts from the past. Maybe you really believe what you're writing as you somehow overread all those posts, or maybe you are just trying to provoke again. It doesn't matter at all. And if you really think that the Palestinians were warned in time before their buildings were flattened, I wonder why anybody died in Gaza at all. However, your only reaction to my post “despite the last living hostage being returned Israel keeps firing rockets into Gaza and settlers keep stealing land and killing Palestinians in the West Bank” being “Great news.”, clearly shows that you and I live in different worlds. And your assumption after I wrote “the IDF was shooting at everything and everybody even when they were screaming for help in Hebrew like those three hostages who somehow escaped Hamas and where gunned down.” that I “must have loved that”, is not only completely wrong it also proves that you somehow mistakenly think we have the same moral compass. I would never "love" the death of innocent people, no matter from which side. I tried to imagine how they must have felt after witnessing the horrors of October 7, the atrocities, then being kidnapped, being brutalized but somehow 3 managed to escape. Maybe Hamas was searching for them or shooting at them already. And then without supplies or water they finally found soldiers from their own home country. Hope replaced the fear of death, hope to see their loved ones again, something which seemed to be near impossible just a few hours ago. What must have been their last thoughts when they felt the bullets of their own people hitting the bodies? That must have been beyond desperation. What a horrible way to go. As you can see, I feel compassion for both sides, especially for those who had no say in the decisions of the past, who played no role in the mistakes of their politicians, who were just born in the wrong place and time and now must pay the price for the failures of others. Your support of continued violence commenting them as great news clearly shows me that our mindsets are so different that any discussion between us wouldn`t make any sense. We simply do not speak the same language, we do not share the same compassion, we do not have the same view on the value of human life. Every human life. Don't waste your time commenting on my posts as you simply cannot understand them same as I will never be able to understand your mindset. It would be best for both of us and the peace in the forum just to ignore each other and hopefully we are mature enough to do it without using the button. All the best to you. Peace!

Wait a minute. Didn't all those pro Israel fellows here again and again repeat, give back the hostages and the war will end immediately. And yet despite the last living hostage beeing returned Israel keeps firing rockets into Gaza and the settlers keep stealing land and killing Palestinians in the West Bank. Is there a chance that you guys might have been wrong at a point or two? That Israel's main goal was maybe not returning all the hostages? I mean there were barely noticeable hints like the IDF destroying every building where the hostages might have been kept in. Or shooting at everything and everybody even when they were screaming for help in Hebrew like those three hostages who somehow escaped Hamas and where gunned down by the IDF. <removed>

91 British soldiers died in the bombing. And Begin was awarded the the Nobel Peace Prize in 1978. Somehow the western moral compass has always been upside down when it came to Israel. Even when their own people were massacred.

You are repeating yourself. Out of arguments? Oh, sorry, I forgot, you never had any. Not a single one.

How would you feel if the Hamas murderers and rapists from October 7 would all be arrested and sentenced to 1 month of community service. Would that satisfy you? It should because this is the sentence IDF soldiers get for killing innocent Palestinian kids. Well, IF somebody raises a complaint, which does not happen often and IF that complaint is not dismissed, which happens quite often, and IF the complaint leads to a persecution which happens only in 1% of all accepted complaints.

Well, many Israelis protested for the right to rape, even the Ministers Smotrich and BenGvir openly sided with the rapists, one of them was later invited to a TV show and celebrated as a hero. And I did not clip anything, I found the video on YouTube and copy pasted it.

<removed> You have repeatedly defamed the western doctors who reported about destroyed dialysis machines as liars who work for Hamas and want to destroy Israel, which made you reach a new low because these doctors are risking their lives to help Palestinians who have been injured by your soldiers some of them lethally. You have repeatedly asked why no other country would accept the Gazans as refugees, you ignored the answer given to you by and repeated your question. And since I wrote that post about a fictional Palestinian man, whose 14 years old son had been killed by an IDF soldier and who raised complaints to the Israeli authorities which prosecuted the soldier, found him guilty and sentenced him to 1 month of community service, you have been grating my nerves regularly, insulting my culture and calling me a liar as in your opinion the part, where I wrote the Palestinian was harassed by IDF soldiers every day, cannot be true neither in Gaza due to their absence nor in the Westbank as the numbers of soldiers there would not be enough to harass all the Palestinians there. Which is pathetic in so many ways because 1. I had made it absolutely clear that this story is fictional (“Let me take you on a little journey …. Imagine you are … a Palestinian”), which excludes me being a liar otherwise every author who has ever written a fictional story on real background would be a liar. 2. It could be possible that this guy had been travelling from Gaza to Israel every day, may it be for work or for medical treatment and therefore has been harassed all the time or if he was in the Westbank that is also possible, despite only 170K IDF soldiers present, as they maybe were trying to drive him out of his place to give it to some Jew from Minnesota. In never wrote EVERY Palestinian was harassed EVERY day. So I'm asking you politely for a last time, if you are not able to provide valuable posts to contribute to this forum at least stop trolling me and my posts. You are desperately trying to distract from the core message, which I had embedded in that fictional story in order to make people ask themselves, how would I feel if this would happen to me. Nevertheless the core message stays the same and I will repeat it for you: From all the atrocities IDF soldiers commit in Gaza or the West Bank just very few cases are reported to the authorities and again just a very few are accepted and not dismissed. Less than 1% of the accepted complaints lead to a persecution with the sentence for killing innocent Palestinians, even children in normally do not exceed 1 or 2 months of community service. THAT should concern you, being a Israeli, but it doesn`t <removed> Your permanent tries to sabotage my arguments and defame me as a liar, while I am writing about one of many grievances in Palestine <removed>

Yes, at least we have to give them that <removed> All too familiar.