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That logic applied nobody would dare to protest against Israel.

I don`t know if you are familiar with their Nation state bill or basic law from 2018 1 — Basic Principles A. The land of Israel is the historical homeland of the Jewish people, in which the State of Israel was established. B. The State of Israel is the national home of the Jewish people, in which it fulfills its natural, cultural, religious, and historical right to self-determination. C. The right to exercise national self-determination in the State of Israel is unique to the Jewish people. 5 — Ingathering of the Exiles The state will be open for Jewish immigration and the ingathering of exiles. 6 — Connection to the Jewish people A. The state will strive to ensure the safety of the members of the Jewish people and of its citizens in trouble or in captivity due to the fact of their Jewishness or their citizenship. B. The state shall act within the Diaspora to strengthen the affinity between the state and members of the Jewish people. C. The state shall act to preserve the cultural, historical, and religious heritage of the Jewish people among Jews in the Diaspora. 7 — Jewish Settlement A. The state views the development of Jewish settlement as a national value and will act to encourage and promote its establishment and consolidation. That is no democracy. That is Apartheit. That kind of state is outdated, racists and legally acts unfair or even criminal towards other ethnicities and has no place amongst democratic countries in the modern 21st century.

Err .... it was a bit more complicated. The British promised the Arabs an independent state, which included the area of today`s Israel, if they would help them fight the Ottomans, which were Muslims but not Arabs. The Arabs kept their word, fought, bled, died and finally won over the Ottomans, the British didn`t. They secretly agreed with the French on the Sykes-Picot treaty in 1916 to divide the Ottoman Empire's Arab territories into British and French spheres of influence after World War I. At the same time they promised the Jews, which were not really popular in Europe, a national home, not a state, in the Balfour declaration: His Majesty's Government view with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavours to facilitate the achievement of this object, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country. After WW I more and more Jews moved to Palestine, at first warmly welcomed by the Arabs, as hospitality to strangers has always been a very strong part of Middle Eastern culture and tradition, originating in the trade business where people were travelling on the Silk Road, more accurately the Silk Routes, a web of land and sea routes connecting Central, East, South, Southeast, and West Asia as well as East Africa and Southern Europe since the 2nd Century B.C. Once it became clear the Jews had more sinister plans in mind or they simply did only understand the part of the Balfour declaration, which promised them a homeland but somehow failed to understand the part saying " nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine ", tensions rose, Arabs protested, the Jews founded terrorist organizations like Irgun and Hagana to kill and kick out Arabs and later even attacked their own allies, the British, which then had enough and left the chaos they had caused. In order to bring back peace to the region the UN decided for a 2 state solution and agreed on the partition plan. The Palestinians refused as they did not understand why their land has to be divided between them and the Jews who were less than 3% of the population for centuries until WW I and even now in 1947 only around 38%. The Jews immediately founded Israel, took way more land than the UN had agreed on and did everything since then to refuse the Palestinians to own an independent state, while stealing more and more land through land grabbing or simply settling on land which did not belong to them. Sure, a few times the Palestinians were offered something, but those offers could be described as: "We keep, what we stole. You officially agree with that turning occupied land into legal possession. And in return you get to live on some land which we will keep total control over. (Meaning: you will never have an official army with jets and tanks and whatever you need to protect yourself so we can steal more land as we see fit.). Their moral justification is, that the land is theirs anyway, as their ancestors had been living there until 2000 years ago and it was promised to them by sky daddy, so you cannot steal your own land. Thanks for proving my point. Now the sad part is, that THE Jews did not completely move to other countries 2000 years ago and now come back and demand their land. Truth to be told, SOME Jews left, some of them to Europe, mostly to what today is called Russia, Poland and Ukraine, mixed with the population there, some even converting to Christianity and a few of their descendants now came back and made that crazy claim, which is not supported by any law or tradition on our planet. Now comes the surprise: MANY if not most of the Jews never left the area known as Palestine. They simply lived under Roman rule, later converted to Christianity and again later to Islam, adapted to new regimes and cultures and their descendants are today known as the Palestinians. This has been proven by many DNA tests. By comparing Ashkenazi, Mizrahi and Sephardic genome, looking for common parts and by this and many other methods determining "Jewish" DNA. Guess which of these groups has the least Jewish DNA? The Ashkenazi, which is by the way the majority of Jews in Israel (and who don`t really look like Jews have been described in ancient books but much more like Europeans.) And which group has the most Jewish DNA? The Palestinians. BOOM!

Are you sure it is me they are laughing at? 😂

All the groups you mention deal with US American issues. Not AIPAC. AIPAC is a organization which directly influences US foreign policy at least in the Middle East completely in favor of Israel and not always in favor of US people It should by law register under FARA (foreign agent registration act) as it is a foreign lobby acting on behalf of a foreign country but it is somehow exempt. FARA would result in mandatory disclosures from donors, media campaigns or communications with elected officials and all the trips the send congressmen on and many more details of their activities. It is not the paranoia from weird people that lead to that suspicion but the refusal of AIPAC to register under FARA. Obviously they do not want full disclosure of their activities influencing elected politicians. No secret conspiracy. AIPAC openly brags about how many US politicians they defeated. Not because their policy would have been bad for US people, no, maybe it would have been very good, but because their policy was not enough pro-Israel. Think about it: A US politician ready to serve the US public lost the election because of a foreign organization. In some way AIPAC does not only have influence on the US foreign policy but also on any other field of US policy. And a well known member here, US citizen, with anger issues really thinks, he has won. Well, maybe not control but surely influence. All the other organizations you mentioned deal with issues like Colored People, Gun control, Planned Parenthood or Retired Persons which have nothing to do with Israel. True. An ally against enemies the US would not have, if it would not have so blindly supported Israel, like in the ongoing mass slaughter. Or in the Iraq war. Tell me, how did the US benefit from the second Iraq war, where they were looking for weapons of mass destruction, knowing there were none and even if, they would never pose a threat to the US? Who wanted that war? Who pushed the US into that war? And what was the result? Rise of the IS. Chaos. Instability in the region and countries without real governments and armies with a well equipped air force and navy and therefore easy targets for Israel. Who paid the price? Millions of dead Iraqis Thousands of US and UK soldiers killed and much more disabled for life.

No one, NO ONE here supports Hamas. OK? Stop branding those, who criticize the intentional killing of children and the theft of land while kicking out or even killing the owners as terrorists. This is your pathetic and laughably obvious attempt to justify Israels atrocities and silence any opposition. Democracy does not work like that. Destroying democracy and turning it into tyranny works like that. And that is what you should worry about. Because in western democracies people have the right to protest peacefully, even if some might not agree with what they protest for or against. Our ancestors fought and died for that rights, which you and me take as granted and which allow us for example to freely write here on the forum. The American Revolution and French Revolution established these principles in national charters like the U.S. Constitution's First Amendment. International Treaties like the European Convention on Human Rights (1950) (Article 11 protects the right to freedom of assembly and association) and the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights (1966) guarantee rights related to peaceful assembly and association, affirming their universal importance and forming a basis for modern protest rights in many nations. But when Mr. Sa àr, Mr. Goldsmith and Mr. French demand from the UK government to take action against rising toxic antisemitism on university campuses and call pro Palestinian marches "hate marches" they intentionally lie, as the protests are against Israels actions in Gaza and not against Semites in general. But what they really demand is a restriction of our basic rights. A suppression of our right to express our opinions and our right to peaceful assembly and associate. And they have succeeded already https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c24rmdngrrjo That`s how it starts. And that`s how democracy and freedom end. Today it`s our right to criticize Israel. Tomorrow? Who knows. Well, actually history knows. And if we don`t learn from it we are condemned to repeat it.

He probably can`t afford it that`s why he is so desperately seeking attention in here. He has a very distorted perception of the world, as you can see here: He really thinks that Zionists and Israel are "his side". One trip to Jerusalem meeting some of those ultraorthodox Jews might be helpful, but he should take a lot of tissues with him. Really? Isn`t it more likely the other way around? Like the Jews to give MILLIONS to your politicians via AIPAC and tell them what to do? And you politicians, instead of working for the people of the US as they have been elected and put in their positions by the people of the US, put Israel first, send your young men and women to fight and die in wars for Israel plus wire BILLIONS to Israel? And you think YOU tell the Israelis what to do? Not to mention that you think Israel is YOUR side. Delusional!

In some of its reports. Maybe. But in general the BBC is biased against the Palestinians. https://novaramedia.com/2025/06/16/bbc-systematically-biased-against-palestinians-in-gaza-coverage/ What proof? Does your washed brain automatically put your eyes and ears into hibernation mode once any evidence against the IDF is shown. At least your conscience and your moral compass seem to be permanently out of order when it comes to Israel. The shooting of the children had a pattern: One day: skull Next day: chest next day: abdomen another day: testicles next day: start new. That is target practice or maybe even competition. Same as when the IDF was competing who would shoot the most kneecaps in 24 hours: the guy with 42 kneecaps won in 2020. and you call that fog of war?? Jokes aside, the level of cynicism, racism and contempt for other people has reached a new level of low and is unbearable and despicable.

The BBC report about 165 cases and the 2 western doctors who performed surgery on kids shot in the head, chest and abdomen are not credible enough for you?

Israel is absolutely right in asking the UK to take responsibility for the toxic wave of anti-semitism. I mean, who put the Jews into Palestine? The UK Who helped them after the Palestinians resisted against their land and homes being stolen? The UK Whose administrative headquarters for Mandatory Palestine was bombed by the Jews to thank them for all their support? The UK`s Who has been sending tons of weapons to Israel, facilitating the mass slaughter in Gaza? The UK And now they refuse to show some responsibility for the deeds of their "child" leading to anti-semitism?? How dare they. 😆

Really? And here am I thinking all the time that Israeli bullets, missiles, rockets, grenades, white phosphorus bombs, bunker breakers, all together more than 100.000 tons of bombs, equivalent to 9 "Hiroshimas" lead to all the Palestinian deaths.

Seriously, your state of denial is scaring. Lets forget the 17.000 or something women, the 20.000 men, all of them Hamas without any doubt, the journalists, the medics, world`s kitchen, the 15 aid workers, executed and buried, the completely destroyed environment, the man made starvation, and so on. They have killed more than 17.000 children. CHILDREN!! They intentionally target children and shoot them in the head. TARGET PRACTICE WITH CHILDREN11 Shooting kids in the head on one day, in the chest on the next day and in the abdomen on the following day. What more do you need, before you finally accept the truth? You see, I absolutely agree, that Jews outside Israel are not responsible for the actions of the Israeli government. I would even take one more step by saying that even many Jews inside Israel are not responsible for their government`s actions. Unfortunately, many people out there are - how do I put this - intellectually not as bright as you and me and therefore easier to manipulate so they might blame every Jewish person on the planet for the atrocities ordered by the government of their homeland and become more and more anti - Semitic. Stupid, isn`t it? Same as stating that every Palestinian is responsible for October 7. Or that every person, who despises the intentional killing of innocent children in Gaza is openly supporting Hamas. Unbelievable right? Rumors has it, some with this mindset are even on AN. Probably only gossip. 😉

Really? I wasn`t even aware, that I am at war with them. Where they? Anyway, thanks for the warning. I better get that little Palestinian flag out of my garden. You never know, maybe tommorow afternoon I come back from work and some Jews have occupied it. You are probably right: those with the more advanced weapons and less morals, who murder and rape Hundreds of Thousands, invade and steal their lands and resources most likely will win the battles over much weaker opponents, yet making the world believe they are the goodies and the defeated were the baddies believing in the wrong sky daddy. But is that wise? I doubt it. Why? Simple, if you go to someone's place and destroy it leaving scorched earth, that someone will sooner or later show up at your place. And he will stay and make you pay. And he will reproduce much faster than you. And you will end up paying for his children too. Look at the US, UK or Germany. Am I so wrong? When it`s bombs vs. balls, the latter may lose the battles but it always wins the war. So to return the favor of warning me with a valuable tip: You better start learning Arabic or at least how to tie a turban. 🤣😇

or Lebanese or Syrian or Tunisian or Qatari or Yemeni or Iranian or living in any other country Israel sees fit to attack, only out of self-defense of course. or US American or German or British or living in any other country, where Israel has made your media report in their favor and your leaders suppress your basic right of freedom of speech and keep repeating things again and again and again until you really believe them, no matter how stupid or absurd they may be. For example: Judge: "Defendant, why did you trespass into the property of the plaintiff, beat him into coma, breaking most of his bones, killed his dog and burned his house down? Defendant: "You honor, that was because I had built my new garage on his land. The plaintiff came to my house, we had an argument and then he slapped me in the face so I followed him to his place and did what your honor has described. That was pure self-defense. I am clearly the victim here."

To ease your mind: Despite all the lies Israel fabricated about October 7, like the 30 babies and gang rapes, what Hamas really did on that day was a horrible and unforgiveable crime and they deserve to be hanged by their balls and burned to crisps for that. They have forever lost their right to be considered freedom fighters and any real Muslim, who was a member of them would have had no other choice than to immediately revoke his allegiance to them and beg the families of the victims for forgiveness after he had heard of the abominations his comrades committed. (only if he had no part in or previous knowledge of the attacks; in any other case ball hanging and burning). Now answer my questions please This is absolutely untrue. Iran opposes Israel because of the occupation, murder and land theft. It is anti Zionist. Iran is not anti-semitic. Many Jews used to live there and some still do, completely unharmed. Have you ever been to Iran?

While the story of armed Palestinian resistance is known, the equally important history of nonviolent resistance is largely untold. Trade unions struggled to gain the rights to health insurance, better wages, improved work conditions, and the right to arbitration for workers in the Occupied Territories. Health care professionals set up Medical Relief Committees, which began to operate under the mantle of the Union of Palestinian Medical Relief Committees during the late 1970s (the UPMRC continues to be active in the West Bank and Gaza) Agricultural Relief Committees began forming in 1983, and concentrated on working with Palestinian farmers bans that prevented Palestinian farmers from exporting their produce to Israeli markets General Federation of Palestinian Students in Gaza included social and community activities, clubs, sports, and games with explicit political messages. They also began to organize spontaneous protests and demonstrations against the occupation The BADIL Resource Center for Palestinian Residency and Refugee Rights fought for the Palestinian refugees and their right of return which was officially recognized by UN General Assembly Resolution 194, adopted in December 1948 (one day after the Universal Declaration of Human Rights), Despite these acknowledgements of the right of return in international law, the international community has done little or nothing to apply these UN resolutions The Global Palestinian Right of Return Coalition was established in 2001 and in the U.S., Al-Awda, The Palestinian Rightof Return Coalition On March 30, 1976. Thousands of Palestinian Israelis took part in a nonviolent demonstration against an Israeli government plan to expropriate 60,000 dunams of Palestinian-owned land in the Galilee it was met by violence by the Israeli police. Six Palestinians were killed and 96 others were injured. The Palestinian Center for the Study of Non-Violence documented the systematic attempts to develop nonviolent forms of resistance to the occupation, providing new theories regarding nonviolence as a strategy of resistance. One of the major nonviolent tactics was the refusal to pay taxes to the military occupation authorities. This was a particularly important strategy, since tax revenues collected from the Occupied Territories helped support the military and other expenditures needed to maintain the Israeli occupation. In effect, the tax system was a way toforce Palestinians to pay for their own occupation. For six weeks during September and October 1989, Beit Sahour residents launched a total tax revolt against the Israeli occupation regime, under the slogan “No Taxation without Representation.” Israeli reprisals were swift and harsh. The village was placed under total siege, food and medical supplies were stopped, telephone lines were cut, and prolonged curfews were imposed. “Tax raids ” by army and tax officials, which had been used systematically against other instances of tax refusal, resulted in the residents being stripped of over $1.5 million worth of goods. Many residents were beaten and arrested during these raids. Occasional suicide bombings have received nearly all of the media’s attention, but most Palestinian resistance to occupation has been overwhelmingly through nonviolent actions and tactics. A major form of resistance was the development of alternative institutions and leadership. Sometimes this took official forms. For example, in the municipal elections held in 1976, Palestinians overwhelmingly elected members of nationalist parties to positions of local leadership, although many of these figures were subsequently jailed or exiled by Israeli forces. In 1981,local political bodies created a new institution, Lajnat alTawjih (the Committee of Guidance), to provide national leadership to the resistance to the occupation. Once again, Israel arrested many of the members of this group. The General Union of Palestinian Women was formed in 1965, but it was in the 1970s that popular Women’s Committees began to take a more active role. These popular committees worked with the understanding that strengthening the role of women in the struggle against the occupation would change both the nature of women’s roles and of the anti-occupation struggle itself. Goals and activities of local Women’s Committees varied, but all stressed the need for productive work, education, and vocational training for women, as well as involving houseworking women in wage-earning activities. However, Israels reaction to any kind of resistance, no matter if violent or like in most cases nonviolent was always the same: Arrest, Detainment, oppression, murder.

I do agree with you that we are too far apart to have a meaningful discussion. But it is not my the alleged "support for Hamas", you are trying to libel me with but your incapability and unwillingness to have a fair conversation on equal footing: I walk into a debate with facts, an opinion based on these facts and the belief that I am right, but I always keep in mind that there is a chance, as small as it may be, that my opponent is right and I am wrong. That is the basic condition of every meaningful discussion. (And trust me nothing would make me happier if you guys were right and I am wrong because the ongoing mass slaughter and atrocities especially towards children partially carried out with weapons from my home country is killing me. The world I believed in, our values like freedom of speech, human rights and most importantly our (due to the Holocaust) inherited lifetime duty to do anything in our power that such atrocities will never ever happen again – all that, lies shattered in front of me.) However, your position in this discussion is also based on facts, but due to your primary motivation being the defense of Israel and its actions, you preselect those facts, ignore and avoid uncomfortable ones and cannot accept the possibility you could be wrong, which makes you apply unfair discussion techniques. And you just delivered the perfect example for that. In my post which you partially quoted I asked quite a few uncomfortable questions. Questions that clearly show many atrocities of Israel, while at the same time proving you wrong, that Israel only wants to destroy Hamas but not the civil population of Gaza. Fully aware of that, you try to eloquently avoid those questions and instead libel me as a terrorist supporter, automatically making everything I say wrong and evil. I wrote: "Resistance movement" is primarily a neutral term, and it has yet to be determined if that resistance was lawful or unlawful, but even an unlawful resistance is resistance. Then I wrote I'm not a native speaker but I think the term those does clearly say others, which again means not me. Let alone me mentioning many times that I am German plus the fact that I am able to (more or less) have my say in here clearly excludes me from any group, which might be oppressed by Israel. Yet you intentionally comment only a part of my sentence out of the context. and instantly libel me as a terrorist supporter And by doing so you unknowingly admit that you are wrong. Because if your cause was just and right you wouldn't need to apply these pathetic discussion strategies of smearing and libeling your opponents instead of debating fairly.

That is exactly what Israel`s propaganda machine is trying to make the world believe from the beginning of the mass slaughter. If only their leaders would not have openly called for Amalek and said, that "there are no innocents in Gaza", which was also repeated by many IDF soldiers in interviews and is believed by the majority of Israelis. Amalek = Thus says the LORD of hosts, ‘I have noted what Amalek did to Israel in opposing them on the way when they came up out of Egypt. 3 Now go and strike Amalek and devote to destruction all that they have. Do not spare them, but kill both man and woman, child and infant, ox and sheep, camel and donkey.’ (1 Samuel 15:2–3 ESV) If Israels` intention only was the elimination of Hamas, then ... ... why slaughter the world`s kitchen workers? ... why murder and bury the 15 aid workers? ... why intentionally shoot children in the head, chest or abdomen? ... why target children with drones? ... why keep stealing their land and selling it even before the war is over? ... why eliminate medics and journalists? ... why pay billions to buy US politicians via AIPAC ... and so on ... and on If Israel only wants to end terrorism and live peacefully next to their neighbors, why do they keep stealing land in the Westbank? Oppression creates resistance. Logic dictates, that resistance follows oppression. Not the other way around. If there is no oppression then why resist? And against what or whom? Hamas is a resistance movement, freedom fighters to those, who are oppressed and terrorists to those who oppress, trying to mask it as self defense. The equation is simple: no oppression - no terrorists. It is as simple as that and Israel knows that too well. Same as they very well know, that Hamas cannot be destroyed same as you would destroy some clearly definable enemy. Hamas is not a group of soldiers, with names, numbers and dog tags. Hamas are the surviving members of a slaughtered family, the sons of murdered fathers and displaced mothers and the boys who grew up with IDF suppression on a daily base. Hamas is what I assume every member here would sooner or later turn into, if he would have endured, what Gazans are enduring for decades. If you really want to end Hamas and terrorism in general, there are only 2 ways: 1. end your oppression and give back the land you stole, same as the UN demanded months ago 2. keep on oppressing and stealing, which will naturally result in the creation of more and more resistance, desperately try to make the world believe that you are the victim, while murdering them by the thousands and inevitably go down in history as the next "Third Reich" founded on blood and corpses by murderers and rapists. Sadly, is seems to be very clear, which way Israel has chosen.

Hilarious! You support a genocide, a mass murder going on for almost 2 years now, with children intentionally being shot in the head, chest or abdomen, with most of the civilian victims being women and children, and you have the audacity to call me a racist, because I wrote: I did not even mention all colors, only one: black Asians are yellow, middle easterners are brown, and Jews are, if Mizrahi more brown and if Ashkenazi white people. So I did not miss white. If any, I missed red. So it actually is true: every allegation is a confession.

I get it. Palestinians raped and mistreated - you make jokes about it. Israelis raped and you justify mass murder because of it.. A bit double standard, isn`t it?

That were pagers, not phones. Interesting how you can make jokes about atrocities you claim never happened, despite the videos I posted prove them.

Not sure about that. But they called that cell phone making sure it was still operating

Jesus' famous last words on the cross, "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?" In his original language: "Elahi, Elahi, lema sabachthani? "Elahi" sounds more like "Allah" than "God". Still laughing?

Nope. Raping and putting sticks or cell phones into a detainees anus has been labeled as rape. Yet huge parts of Israelis support it same as some politicians in the Knesset Why can`t you even admit Israeli atrocities when they themselves try to justify them in their government? Denial. Denial. Denial. Pathetic.

Are you sure about that? I mean that is exactly what happened 1948. Only the terrorists at that time were not called Hamas. They were called Irgun and Hagana. They not only murdered and raped thousands of Palestinian women and children and later bragged about it, they even killed a lot of British military, like in the King David bombing. Their reward was the state of Israel, the terrorists renamed to IDF and their leaders became the prime ministers of the new born state some even rewarded with peace nobel prices later. ... and the rest of the population, all their buildings, schools, universities, hospitals and everybody who tells the truth about their atrocities like journalists plus those who help them out of humanity like world`s kitchen, the 15 aid workers, the 2 paramedics they just had allowed to go and save that 5 year old girl, Hind Rajab, who was sitting frightened next to her murdered family, begging for her life and of course they murdered her too, as she was probably a terrorist too and those starving and lining up for some scraps of food and, and and. and the rest of the world is watching and will never forget the genocide, Israel tried to make everybody believe, was just a terrorist hunt and a rescue operation for the hostages, as if anybody was so dumb to believe, that bombing every building the hostages could be held in was the safest way to get them back.