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So no connection between the Philistines who lived there more than a century before the first Israel was founded next to them 3055 years ago and later taking their land and the Palestinians who lived there many centuries before the second Israel was founded 76 years ago again taking their land since then? On which "H" is your "knowledge" based? History? Or Hasbara.

Now if I do the math, Israel existed around 3000 years ago for 309 years but only for 40 years on an area which can be defined as "from the river to the sea" and another 30 years on an area of the size they have now, while the rest of the time being just a small dot on the map, later even divided into 2 smaller dots. About 900 years later they somehow resurfaced as Judea for 67 years and vanished again. So for 376 years there was some Jewish state over a time period of 3000 years, which was much smaller than the present Israel not to mention the Greater Israel. Until the creation of Israel in 1949 the area was Muslim for 1115 years, where Jews, Christians and Muslims would live peacefully most of the time although under different rulers. I really don`t understand on what their claim for the whole area is based and why they insist on their ethno state. Don`t they understand that times, cultures, mentalities and mindsets have changed in the last few years, something around 2700 years give or take? Ethno states are so much BC or should I say BS.

67 years later the Romans took over and Judea disappeared. Until the caliphate took over 680 years later Crusaders took over Jerusalem after 458 years But Christianity lasted 191 years. Back to being Muslim later under the Ottoman Empire which was divided after WW 1 between UK and France until Israel emerged 1949 and expanded since then

They separated into Israel and Judea just 100 years after their foundation became smaller by the centuries and disappeared 300 years after they first showed up being Assyrian for 113 years then Egyptean Persian after another 70 years After 409 years of being Persian then turned Seleucid But suddenly Judea popped up 129 BC

Just to crosslink history and geography, here some maps of the are over time: That`s how the area looked 3000 BC 2500 BC 1500 BC it became Egyptian territory Who was there 1180 BC? The Philistines. Sounds like Palestinians to me. Coincidence? 150 later: Israel, but the Philistines still there 30 years later they expanded to the river and the sea But only for less than 40 years. to be continued..

You forgot Canada, Israel, the United Kingdom, the United States, and the European Union (27 states) which makes it 37 states. Meaning the other 156 don`t. Meaning globally they are seen as a resistance movement. Sure, all because of Hamas propaganda. Only the western bubble sees them as terrorists, well, does it? Polls have shown that even in the most pro Israel country, the USA (United Slaves of Aipac) for the first time in history more people are pro Palestine than pro Israel https://www.timesofisrael.com/poll-shows-most-americans-back-palestine-recognition-view-israeli-campaign-as-excessive/ OMG, how did that happen. Probably again Hamas propaganda. Who might have thought they have made so much money from stealing the food aid, which deeply caring Israel allowed into Gaza that they even turned most of the US into Hamas? So unfair, especially after Israel had send so many Millions from the Billions they got from the US back to 331 US congressmen (of 433) to help them get food o the table. Life is so unfair But the good people who are for justice and democracy (well, for some places, certainly not all) and peace and freedom (well, same same) will keep on fighting (by bribing the leaders of the mightiest country to do what we want and not what is good for their kin). Hooray!

🤣 Good one, I admit. Do you know what really would give me a woody? If all the Jews here in the forum, and in the rest of the world who defend Zionism and really believe in the promised land and being direct descendants from those brave people who fled from Egypt to the holy land and their right to return would finally get out of Thailand and make the Aliyah. That would give those Evangelicals a massive wood Seriously, what are you guys still doing here in Thailand or in any other country of the world? When you have a holy land promised by God waiting for you?

Dear fellow BM, you know that I am siding with you and all the other people on this planet who believe that Justice applies equally to everyone and every country and double standard inevitably leads to frustration, which will cause aggression and always ends with catastrophe. The people being responsible for the fate of humanity in the post war era understood that too well WE THE PEOPLES OF THE UNITED NATIONS DETERMINED to save succeeding generations from the scourge of war, which twice in our lifetime has brought untold sorrow to mankind, and to reaffirm faith in fundamental human rights, in the dignity and worth of the human person, in the equal rights of men and women and of nations large and small AND FOR THESE ENDS to practice tolerance and live together in peace with one another as good neighbors, and to unite our strength to maintain international peace and security For reasons difficult to understand some people think that those rules do not apply to them, maybe because they have the same mindset as those animals in George Orwell's novel Animal Farm who said "all animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others". Which kind of animal was that again? Never mind. @Nick Carter icp and others here are defending the actions of a country which has committed countless abominations beyond imagination in the last 2 years by pointing out that single day when heinous crimes were done to them again and again, by using ridiculous arguments (the Palis had it coming, don`t poke the bear) which they would never apply or accept in any other conflict, stubbornly deny any wrongdoing even if the media is full of proof and calling the person who is informing others about those crimes a liar or worse "anti - Semitic", automatically branding him as a non trustworthy and bad person. Same as the lawyer who exposed the rape of detainees in Israels prison. Or sometimes even cynically demanding proof. Here`s is a list of the children killed until a year ago. Until now the number has doubled. (Not that I have any hope that you would spend even a second to read it). date: 08.October 2023 until 02. February 2024 location: occupied Gaza Here a poem about those kids and the Thousands that followed them into death since then. Just in case you don`t like lists or graphics and are more into poetry. @JBChiangRai What exactly do you hope to gain from an apology from a person who defends all that? A person who is probably able to imagine the unbearable pain and grief, the parents of a deceased child will have to suffer, given they are still alive, even more so when that child was murdered and still supports the actions of the perpetrator who has done this to 20.000 children.

I get both sick and tired that I have to do that at all. But the generation of my grandparents and grand grandparents kept silent, looked the other way, some even condoned, while their government ordered soldiers and policemen to arrest Millions of your grandparent`s (I guess) generation and murder them on an industrial level - the darkest and most shameful part of our history. I will not repeat their mistake. Neither should you. Despite your unpolite word`s you post gave me hope. It clearly shows, that you are frustrated about my comments about the IDF performing target practice on children calling it BS. So we do have something in common - we both believe that the intentional killing of children (not some collateral damage which unfortunately always may happen in armed conflicts) is wrong, a heinous crime. We only disagree if the IDF is really doing it. You asked for sources, here you have a few. Took me 5 minutes to find them: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c7893vpy2gqo https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/apr/02/gaza-palestinian-children-killed-idf-israel-war https://www.ucl.ac.uk/news/2025/mar/opinion-israels-war-gaza-deliberately-targeting-children-new-un-report Now, as an EX IDF soldier you should be more than interested and motivated to find the truth about your army and if it really has committed those abominations and you will without doubt fully dive into it. Tell us what you found out. I know you don`t believe that, but I would be more than happy if you would prove me wrong as knowing that my birth country is still delivering weapons to those baby killers makes me feel sick.

And again, full agreement. I do not fully understand if you are talking about the survival of the Jewish people in general or the survival of Jewish individuals and their children. Let us look at both: The Jewish population in the area formerly known as Palestine was something around 60,000 during the time of World War I. By 1948, when Israel was declared their numbers had increased tenfold to more than 700,000 and since then again increased more than tenfold to 7,7 million So, I think when we talk about the Israeli population by itself you can hardly talk argue that their survival is at stake. If you talk about the ongoing conflict, here are some more interesting facts: Now, may I ask you, that valid argument you made “but not when your survival and the survival of your children are at stake”. Does it also apply for the Palestinians? Which brings us to the last point: if you were talking about the survival of the individual, which is at stake because at any time in life some rocket or bullet might end it, That too goes for both sides. The Palestinians should have learned by now, that every provocation is paid back tenfold while the Israelis might want to consider that this method, despite being applied for decades now, somehow doesn't work and that they never will be safe. Both sides should ask them themselves if that is the way they wanna go on living and honestly I wouldn't want to live in neither of these countries. I see only two ways to solve that problem: 1. The Israelis must stop killing Palestinians, stealing their land; they must give it back and pay reparations. The Palestinians must understand that lamenting the Jews never had the right to annex that land out of reasons we all know, does not get them anywhere. They must accept, that Israel`s existence has been established now and cannot be undone so both sides opt for a 2 state solution. 2. The Israelis must give up their apartheid ethnostate, based on their belief, they are the only descendants of those Jews who once fled from Egypt to the holy land, which they without a doubt are, but hey, funny things happened in the last 3000 years. There have been countless interreligious marriages and on top of that Jews were diligently convincing other people to convert to their religion for centuries so why not make it official, baby? Annex Gaza and the Westbank and any other area with people willing to join you and then create an Israel with equal rights to self-determination for everybody living there, the 1 – state - solution. Or do business as usual and kill and get killed as usual.

My view on that: Only the facts that a (gang?) rape is discussed in Israeli government if ok or not Israeli politicians demanding to release the rapists one of the rapists even being invited and praised at a Israeli TV show while the lawyer who leaked that is arrested shows everybody how depraved and sick this people are. Well, not everybody. Some people are still defending that. Unbelievable. History will laugh at them. People from western Christian democracies justifying rape and mass murder. Oh God, what has this world turned into.

I think the Israeli motto right now is more likely: Pacification through depopulation.

I agree. But does the killing of less than 1200 justify the killing of 70.000? That is what we should ask ourselves. Again agreed, but what choice does one have when his land is stolen and his people raped an killed? And agreed again, yet unfortunately dumb people have the same right to live as lesser dumb people. If it was ok and not a crime to kill "people who can`t think two steps ahead" someone might depopulate the Farang community in Pattaya one day. Are you talking about Palis or Israelis now? That "victim" thing confused me.

Do you sometimes contemplate what you are writing? The kids were shot because they confronted Israeli soldiers. CONFRONTED?? THAT is a death sentence in an Israeli occupied area where the occupying force is according to the Geneva Convention (IV) on Civilians, 1949 obliged to protect civilians?? WOW!! What did they do? Throw some stones or ask them to leave their homeland? Unbelievable. Judge: "Defendant, why did you kill your wife and later her mother and sister?" Defendant: "She confronted me because of my wrongdoings." Judge: "Whaat? That was textbook self-defense. Not guilty." Seriously, you have become so much used to the impunity of doing the worst things thinkable to the Palestinians without any consequences that you have completely lost your sense of justice.

Israel has destroyed almost EVERY building in Gaza and justified that with those ominous terrorists hiding amongst civilians and in protected buildings. What would you do if some terrorist takes your family as hostage and hides in some building? According to you: FIRE IN DA HOLE! Israel has no right to self-defense in an occupied area. Fighting against an occupying army equipped with the most modern weapon systems and supported by the most powerful countries on our planet with nothing more than some outdated rockets and old machine guns is not exactly my definition of cowardice. But intentionally shooting innocent women and children is. Not to mention a shameful act dishonoring both the soldier and his country. But to try and present these and other heinous war crimes as self-defense to the world is a level of impunity unparalleled to the day and they will go down in history certainly not as the most moral army of the world. History will decide. And history has NEVER praised the mass murder of unarmed elderly, women and children. EVER. You might be able to justify that with the help of bribed (aipaced) politicians and controlled media although social media put an end to that already but there is no way humanity will forget that. Or forgive it. Your KI is trying to water that down with fake accounts cheering Israel but there are too many pics and videos of dead, amputated and tortured children in the internet. And as we all know: the internet NEVER forgets.

I have a similar problem. I avoid watching any news or social media about Gaza when my wife is around.. She has a heart of gold and loves kids and cats. Whenever she sees videos of killed, injured or just displaced kids in ruins of Gaza, with some of them being the last of their families, she starts sobbing. And I, once so proud of Western laws and human rights, that I even criticized her in the past asking why her people would so easily accept it when their elected governments are removed, just look away in deep shame, when she asks me, why western countries do not help and protect those kids, why we just watch, why some countries like my own even support that. It makes me furious and feeling helpless at the same time, when I read news like this. How can a human being do that to a child. A CHILD???? And yet some people see it otherwise. "always shone brightly" Oh, God. How can an army which is doing target practice shooting 5 to 10 year old children be described like that. "forever lost it`s honor, if it ever had any as a descendant of a terrorist organization" would be my version.

Finally! Arrests have been made after the abuse of a Palestinian detainee, who had been raped and later a cell phone out into his bowels with the IDF soldiers making fun of him by calling the phone. They arrested ... wait a minute ... the whistleblower!! Not the rapists? An ex army lawyer??? Rumor has it, the cellphone will be arrested soon too. And the world watches. The only democracy in the Middle East with the most moral army ... my a... Wait, where is my cell phone?

There`s more: https://www.stopwar.org.uk/article/from-albert-einstein-to-noam-chomsky-famous-jews-who-have-opposed-israel/

Only this time it is true. BBC has analyzed 160 shot children in Gaza. 95 of them shot in the head. In 57 of those cases witnesses said it was the IDF, 36 cases with no witnesses. The IDF intentionally murders children https://www.bbc.com/news/videos/cjelp738zd7o https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/apr/02/gaza-palestinian-children-killed-idf-israel-war https://www.hrw.org/news/2023/08/28/west-bank-spike-israeli-killings-palestinian-children or disables them even in times of no war and brag about is https://imemc.org/article/analysis-42-knees-in-one-day-israeli-snipers-open-up-about-shooting-gaza-protesters/ or rape prisoners and get cheered at in TV shows. More likely abomination.

Isn`t that hilarious? That was never publicly announced or at least not in a way it would reach most German citizens (or being in Thailand kept me from noticing it). And now I, a German, have to learn from a Jew, in Thailand that I can read Hitler`s book in Germany. It would be funny as hell if it was not from the man who caused the darkest part of our people`s histories, both yours and mine, mine as a time of unforgiveable guilt and yours as the time of unspeakable suffering. And being an expert of inherited guilt you can trust me that I say this in all honesty and only mean well: Change your course. There must be other ways to secure the well deserved homeland of Jewish people than this. Israel has got on the wrong track. History has never rewarded any mass murder from a superior power done to much weaker opponents. Ever.

Maybe it`s time to re-evaluate your logic on the matter. Let me get this straight: Israel has killed more than 60,000 people, 2/3 of them being women and children. Israel has destroyed almost every building in Gaza including all hospitals, schools, universities, you name it. Israel has murdered a record number of journalists, aid workers, medics and children and holds the world record of child amputees in their occupied areas. Israel's soldiers are doing target practice with children by shooting them in the head on some days and on other days in the chest or in the abdomen or the groin. Now some people oppose that and say: “Not good” These are the baddies for you. The anti semites And some people including you support that and say: “Very good” These are the good people for you. You name them "The rest of us." What exactly is "us"? Because except some right wingers over 40 in the western world, who have been brainwashed by their (bribed) leaders and (controlled) media their whole life and are unable, unwilling or too comfortable to reconsider same as you cannot teach an old dog some new tricks and of course many Jews, who love their country, very well realize into what monster it has turned but still desperately try to explain and justify it`s actions, literally no country and NO ONE on this planet, can see anything legitimate about Israel`s response. TAERGET PRACTICE WITH INNOCENT CHILDREN is a legitimate military response??? 20.000 dead Palestinian children is legitimate? But 30 dead Jewish children on October 7 is a heinous crime, an abomination. What kind of person feels like that? A Jewish or pro - Jewish racist.

Thank you for the intel, I appreciate it. I had heard about "Mein Kampf" but in Germany it is strictly forbidden and you go to jail for selling or buying one. A friend had one from his grandfather and kept it in a secret place. I had to beg him to let me see it and he locked me in his basement to read it while drinking the whole six-pack I had brought. I would have needed that beer cans more than him and I stopped reading after a few pages as I could not take it anymore. Just stupid crap. I stay with my opinion, that I don`t think real anti-semitism exists. I am a medic and have 2 PhDs from 2 different countries with completely different languages but I simply fail to understand how a person could hate a complete ethnicity. Being a white person, same as most Jews I would probably not even know if one is standing next to me in an elevator. I understand that some people might be xenophobic towards people who look different, but hating a complete ethnicity which is from the same race? I just don`t get it.

I think I answered that in my first post here, see below. I had no idea that those 200 or so (actually 193 and if you count Palestine and Vatikan City too it`s 195) were committing mass murder and land theft at the moment. However the reason we focus our discussion on Israel and not those other mass murder states is that when it comes to those states we are most likely in agreement who is doing the mass killing and land theft and therefore is considered evil and has to be fought against at least with sanctions. But when it comes to Israel miraculously some people see the murderer and land thief as the victim while others are more like "Whaaaat?"

Hey Rock, keep those insults to yourself, they say more about you than about me. When another BM mentioned the huge number of Palestinians murdered by the IDF your answer was "They brought it on October 7th" I doubted that you would react in the same way, if that kind of justice would be applied to you and gave you the fictional analogy that in case you would have an argument with your neighbor caused by some triviality resulting in you slap his face and as a reaction he would beat the living excrements out of you, your wife and children putting all of you into ICU and call it self-defense. Your answer was that this never happened and was just make believe. And despite me trying to explain to you in 3 different posts that I never said that this really happened and that I just had used this analogy for the purpose of explanation, something you somehow were unable to understand, as you kept saying, that was "make believe" and wrote some weird stuff about "Palestine and Venezuela flags" and "me wearing a keffiyeh," continued with "Halloween is coming" and even accused me of substance abuse but later asked me if I knew a guy named Timothy Leary. I guess we just don`t understand each other`s language. Maybe because I am not a native speaker or because you don`t understand the difference between "make believe" and "make understand" but that`s no reason to insult me as a "real Nazi Jew hater". Not to mention that I never said anything about Trump. Not cool.

I don`t know if that is true or not. I haven`t met a single anti-semite in my life. Honestly, I doubt they exist. I mean, why would anyone hate all Jews? Let`s look what that really means: Antisemitism or Jew-hatred is hostility to, prejudice towards, or discrimination against Jews. There are 2 types: 1. Racial antisemitism A person's hostility is driven by the belief that Jews constitute a distinct race with inherent traits or characteristics that are repulsive or inferior to the preferred traits or characteristics within that person's society. Which in my opinion is simply stupid as 1. there are nice and decent people in every race same as there are hateful morons and 2. as there are Jews from Europe, the Mediterranean, Africa and even from Asia there is no such a thing as the Jewish race. The only thing Jews have in common is their religion. 2. Religious antisemitism A person's hostility is driven by their religion's perception of Jews and Judaism, typically encompassing doctrines of supersession that expect or demand Jews to turn away from Judaism and submit to the religion presenting itself as Judaism's successor faith—this is a common theme within the other Abrahamic religions. Not being a religious man myself, I couldn`t care less in which sky daddy someone believes as they all were made up by some bored shepherds or camel riders within a radius of around 1000 km. I personally respect any person`s religion as long as that person does the worshipping in the privacy of a home or a Synagogue/ Church/Mosque and does not bother me with any attempts to make me convert to his or her religion. As other than Christians and Muslims Jews generally don`t do this, one reason more not to dislike them. Whom I despise are those, who try to protect their murderous and thieving colonial settler project called Zionism by branding any person, who dares to criticize them as anti-semitic. Or with the words of Norman Finkelstein: The biggest insult to the memory of the Holocaust is not denying it but using it as an excuse to commit genocide against the Palestinian people. Albert Einstein: “The (Israeli) state idea is not according to my heart. I cannot understand why it is needed. It is connected with many difficulties and a narrow-mindedness. I believe it is bad" Henry Siegman, Rabbi and director of the U.S./Middle East Project: “Israel has crossed the threshold from ‘the only democracy in the Middle East’ to the only apartheid regime in the Western world.” Erich Fromm, social psychologist: “The claim of the Jews to the Land of Israel cannot be a realistic political claim. If all nations would suddenly claim territories in which their forefathers lived two thousand years ago, this world would be a madhouse.”