scott1999

So does anyone know what the Supreme Court has decided?

Will they give you custody?

Or is it a complete mystery who will be awarded custody until the decision is read?

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Hi

if the compromise agreement made by me and the mother made on the 24th of jan 2012 was to be changed by the Supreme Court , it is a very high probability the Supreme Court would order the parties to the SC, But they have not. So the likely hood is that they have not changed anything.

So with the mother breaking the agreement made the 24th jan 2012 , the other party ie me will get 100% physical custody of my daughter. Which puts pay to any one but the mother taking care of my daughter with out my permission. Anyone with holding my daughter, with out my permission then would be arrested.

What does that mean in terms of your access to your daughter. Have the SC ruled in your favour? Why does it need to go back to Juvenile court & why does it take so long for the reading?

I judge from your post that this is a very positve thing it is just for the unknowledgable (i.e. me) it would be good to understand the next stages & the reasons for them

Very pleased for you though, I really really hope the end is close by.

this is the email my lawyer sent to me today

OMG The Supreme Court have finished with this case and have sent it back to the Juvenile Court for the reading 14th of October. Now i can sleep better. Thank you to all of you for your support. The start of the end has begun.

What is the reason the school wants to stop seeing your daughter ?

Hi Peter , it is because the to half-sisters have said so. But with Micheal's help we are pushing the school back. As they are the ones breaking the law. Good to hear from you my friend, never give up and never surrender.

The most prolific social work I've seen in Thailand that is family oriented is by the Pavena Foundation, which is often in the news every time a child prostitute or abuse victim etc is discovered.

Perhaps you ought to contact them seeing as Dnee is both a child and a woman-to-be and by your account appears to be suffering rather a lot of psychological abuse.

The fact that they are a foundation and not a government organisation might mean that they can react a lot faster. They are definitely high profile enough to not take any nonsense from the likes of a school principal.

Khun Pavena has also just been named as the Minister for Social Development and Human Security in the latest cabinet reshuffle.

Hi Tremble my lawyer said i should do this, but I forgot about it. I must thank you Sir for reminding me , great idea, i will have a go at making contact in the 2 day holiday coming up.

Scot - I mentioned this a while back .-- child protection services - and today I noticed this thread started, which you might want to follow and see if they can unearth this elusive body.

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/652540-women-and-children-protection-unit/

opps sorry i missed this post, i'm in a bit of a dog fight at the moment with my daughters school. They are doing their best to stop me seeing my daughter, but with out leaving them selves open to be sued. BUT this week should determinate if i can sue the school.

thanks anyway for your idea, i do know the courts have social services , so maybe i can ask for help from them.

Who pays the school fees?

Just a thought.

Hello , yes the mother's side are paying the schools fees. 16,000 a year. The school that she should be in is 250,000 a year, that I'm more then happy to pay.

Scot - I mentioned this a while back .-- child protection services - and today I noticed this thread started, which you might want to follow and see if they can unearth this elusive body.

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/652540-women-and-children-protection-unit/

opps sorry i missed this post, i'm in a bit of a dog fight at the moment with my daughters school. They are doing their best to stop me seeing my daughter, but with out leaving them selves open to be sued. BUT this week should determinate if i can sue the school.

thanks anyway for your idea, i do know the courts have social services , so maybe i can ask for help from them.

Sorry every one about the standard of the writing. My only excuse is how stressful the day had been, and how tired I was when writing the post. But i just wanted to get it down on T V about how it all went before I went to bed.

I must say I am so proud of my little girl.

I will post again about yesterday when it has washed over me how it went.

what happened today? Your post isn't clear. Has it been sorted?

Wow! What a day.

I pick up my friend Micheal and off we went to Dnee’s school on the other side of Bangkok. The school did no more than drive my Daughter to the police station. So off we went to the station. The two school teachers were looking not to happy. Dnee’s half-sister were not there yet, so I had a wonderful hour with my daughter in the police station just telling her I will always love her and asking what she likes, She told me Justin Bieber . So I promised some pillows and things with Justin’s face on it for her.

Anyway the half-sisters turned up and went a bit mad. Shouting and saying bad things about me. Telling my daughter to stay away from me. But with the help of Micheal , I was able to not get angry. They tried so hard to stop me saying I will do this every week to see my daughter. So I know this is the right course of action. Even Dnee said Daddy I do not like coming to the police station. I said “when you come and stay for a night with daddy I will stop this action. Till then as you father it’s my job to make sure you are ok, and of course I want to see you.”

I felt calm even when they took her, as I have said before till the Supreme Court orders the police will and do say it’s up to the child, even if she is being abused to say the things she does.

So same again next week me thinks.

Thanks every one for your comments and help in this matter.

Hi

CWMcMurray

Thanks for your comments

So what is stopping the OP from just taking his daughter home? My daughter shows fear of me, but of course it is only when she is with them.

Or are they just disregarding the terms of the previous court order as well? yes to every section of the agreement.

I understand the OP is trying to do the "right thing" , but as he and the mother have shared custody not sure I understand why he thinks he needs to have 100% sole custody before daughter can live with him? The police will not act strongly IE take my daughter from them. while my daughter is showing fear of me.

The policeman was very kind after he saw the photos of me at the school, and he is trying his best for me.

This is a horrible thing for anyone to read let alone to live it. But i must keep on trying.

Forgive my ignorance of what's actually available here, but if your wife is in breach of a court order and the police are on your side -- can some form of official child services not retrieve the child and allow you to interact with her when she is away from her mother's family? This might open a way for you to enforce your legal position - assuming the child actually says "I want to be with Daddy".

thanks for your comment, but there is no child services in Thailand that i am aware of. So while they can trick my daughter into showing fear of me, then they have a very good chance of carrying this situation on.

Hi

Thanks for your comments

So what is stopping the OP from just taking his daughter home? My daughter shows fear of me, but of course it is only when she is with them.

Or are they just disregarding the terms of the previous court order as well? yes to every section of the agreement.

I understand the OP is trying to do the "right thing" , but as he and the mother have shared custody not sure I understand why he thinks he needs to have 100% sole custody before daughter can live with him? The police will not act strongly IE take my daughter from them. while my daughter is showing fear of me.

The policeman was very kind after he saw the photos of me at the school, and he is trying his best for me.

This is a horrible thing for anyone to read let alone to live it. But i must keep on trying.

Nice to see you get support from the police. Must have lighted your day!

yes Mario, it was a shock, but lies are not permanent. its the knee jerk reaction of a frightened child, after that, the mother's family have nothing.

I admire your tenacity and I am apalled with the machinations of the bad thai family. Not all thai families are this bad, and such behaviour is not confined to Thailand, but I salute your bravery in slogging it out with them and documenting it all here. I wish you and your daughter a happy outcome.

Thank you Sir.

One day my daughter can read this for herself. of course i am to blame too, for what has happened to my daughter i know this and it eats at me. i am and never will be perfect. But people like you help me so much for just taking the time to give me your view. Of course Micheal from Thai visa still helps me on a daily basis .

Thanks for taking the time.

These are the photos that helped me at the police station

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Update

I have been trying very hard to get to see my Daughter. As of the time of me writing this post i cannot remember every date and event that has happened over these couple of weeks, so i will just try my best to remember.

Anyway on the 19th of June i went to my Daughters school with a letter that stated Dnee was not allowed to get on the Bus again. The school did no more then to take Dnee to the police station and told me to go there. When I got to the police station my daughter was there with one of her half-sisters and the half-sister's father. Who is now claiming to be my Daughter's step-father.

I would not see my daughter at the police station while the half-sister and her father were standing next to my daughter. As i knew they have coached her to show fear of me, throwing her hands up at her face if i even walk in the same room as her.

So i asked the policeman to help get my daughter away from them. He refused so after about to hours of the Mexican stand off, the police let my daughter go with the half-sister. I was looked on by the police as the evil father, who my daughter was frightened of.

On the 27th of this month i went to the same police station to see the same policeman. My friend Micheal had rung him a couple of days earlier to tell the policeman everything was not as it seemed on the 19th of last week. I.E. my daughter being frightened of me. So when i got there i showed him lots of photos of me and Dnee and Dnee showing no fear. I told the policeman "Dnee only shows fear of me when she is with any of the mother's family." The policeman did not like what he saw.

He stated that the court order from the Juvenile was the law, even if the mother is appealing the order, it does not matter it is still the law right now. He gave me a police letter stating this fact and has told me "go get your daughter."

on the 28th of this month a sent a copy of the letter to the principal of Dnee's school and rang her. SHE WAS VERY ANGRY TO ME AFTER I THANKED HER FOR TAKING MY DAUGHTER TO THE POLICE STATION THE WEEK BEFORE. After that outburst she told me she cannot control this anymore and hung up the phone.

So now i have more support from the police in this matter. I hope this will all be over soon.

The letter from the police. A ruff translation: I Paul --------- of England am the father of my daughter Dnee. The mother who is living in England is trying to stop the father seeing his daughter. The mother does not have the power to do this. By the proof of the Juvenile Court order. This letter states that only the father has the power to choose for his daughter.

What a life some of us have to live ! SAD SAD.

Good luck and hope all your endavours pay off for your and your daughter's sake.

Thank you for your kind words MR "P."

R.E. Our chat, anything we can do to help just ask. I have spoken to Micheal and he would be happy to advise, just send an Email.

Hi sorry missed your post, thanks for your comment.

No i have not seen or been able to contact my daughter. Yes i am worried, but i am so close now, the Principal of my daughters is keeping me updated.

As for any news i will update as it happens,

thanks again.

One year for mediation, one year for JC, three years for AC, and 4 years for the SC.

dnee kidnapped 12th september 2010 , first court hearing at juvenile march 2011 so just under 1 year in juvenile finished 24th jan 2012 mother appealed , thrown out april 27th 2012 but we had to wait till june for hearing at the juvenile court , the mother was a no show, but her lawyer who told the appeals judge that he did not know where the mother was, still was able to put in an appeal to the supreme court even though it said in the verdict of the appeals court , that the mothers side cannot appeal to the SC , so that is two years in all for the courts. and from july 2012 for the SC

i promise i am not making this up, but it sure looks like it to me, and i am the one living it

What is the fix your daughter has with the mum; I would say it is the brainwashing from the Thai side - I had this with my son. However kids are not stupid and your daughter is not sure she is safe, once she knows she has the support from you and you will protect her and that she has a secure home her mind will change.

one difference to your story , Dnees mother has always used the half-sister to glorify the mother while the mother is away in England. But apart from that , our stories are similar, just as your son had to suck it up ie the alienating , so has my daughter, but can feel my daughter is so close now, it must be the age , around 12 years old, i just read about hugh jackman , his mother ran away when he was 8 or 9 , only when he got to 12 years old did he work it out she was not coming back.

My son was so weak and took everything his mum said as fact, as he kenw even if I took him his mum would demand he went back, and of course she gave him a hard time over it. Now he is 12 and for sure he is having no fuss from his mum; I always told her I will not have to take him she will lose him on her own - this has happened.

this is what will happen to my daughter, i must not lose her trust or her love.

thanks for some great insight .

Scott

I fully understand, call the lawyer Lek he has very good contacts and for sure will get you results – it’s only a phone call afterall. will do tonight, thanks,

I don't believe the SC will fast track anything (Unless your name is Thaksin Shinawatra); indeed I have three letters from the SC president all saying the case will be fast tracked - but it still took over four years.

can i ask you a question? you say four years? is that for years from the start at juvenile, or is it four years from when the appeal went to the SC?

My apologies in saying you are weak, but come on this is your child and from the picture, she is old enough to be stating which parent she wants to live with; this comes under the convention of children’s rights, which Thailand has signed up too.

i can say for sure Dnee will say her mum, the thing is Mummy doesn't and cannot live in Thailand, she just likes to run the show from a far. So that leaves only the father in this country, the court has to side with me by default, even if mommy comes back to thailand and tells the court she will stay here and take care or my daughter now, the court knows she cannot earn money to take care of Dnee , and they would never believe her now anyway.

Apply to have her put in an international school; this is again in the best interest of the child.

i do have 100% of education, and the juvenile court agrees with me about the international school of my choice only. but again i cannot enforce till SC acts

I would be submitting application after application to the juvenile court, and of course there is nothing to stop you making emergency applications

This i was trying to do on friday, but i was told the mothers side just do not have to come to the juvenile court as the appeal to the SC is still not over,

- you can also apply direct to the SC to have the child put into a different school; this will take a few months but they will respond.

now this sounds interesting , the SC only told me to go to juvenile, i will apply direct to the SC, thank you

When you go to the SC do you demand in seeing the team from up-stairs,

yes we do.

as only talking to the paper pushers down stairs will have no effect whatsoever; I have even asked and got to see one of the SC judges and your case is for sure a case that they should respond to you can even quote section 40 of the Thai constitution, it quotes a quick and easy justice system, you can ask why is it taking so long and of course quote this is in the best interest of the child.

​thanks for your sharing your experience

i would be very interested to exchange our experiences,re the supreme court and juvenile. if you are ok with this just send me your number by message and i will contact you directly.

Just a little bit more time.

When you have sole custody, you decide the place where she stays and goes to school. And then anyone taking her away from you can be prosecuted for kidnapping, including in the UK as she is also a UK national.

i think Mario post sums up my position correctly