Mike Lister

The issue is NOT whether anyone has or hasn't, the issue IS whether it is or it isn't. This is not directed at you but this debate has become banal and circular, it is pointless to engage in such things, until new evidence is introduced to change the staid boring old arguments that are mostly entrenched emotion. Over and out

I agree and don't agree! In this particular case, it's consensus opinion, Expat Tax has spoken on the subject, as has TRD representatives publically. Until something better comes along to disprove those two sources, that 's what I prefer to believe. And the evidence is that the UK's HMRC also consider those things assessable income, which further strengthens the case. But once again, people can believe whatever they want, just don't tell me that I'm wrong, just because one small well connected law firm says it is so.

Because, as discussed previously (!) the TRD officers at the Hua Hin presentation some months ago, stated that they (ATM and CC) were both considered to be assessable. That information is contained somewhere in a video that somebody posted but I can't be bothered to try and find it.....it's up to you and everyone else, what they want to believe at this point. All done here.

ATM Withdrawals and Payments Expats often ask if withdrawing cash in Thailand from an overseas account or paying a third party, like school fees with a foreign credit card, counts as a remittance taxable in Thailand. The answer is yes. Both types of transactions are seen as remittances into Thailand and are taxable. Under the CRS, these transactions are automatically reported to the Revenue Department, making them aware of these financial activities. https://www.expattaxthailand.com/how-crs-enables-thailands-tax-authorities-to-track-your-finances/ Goodbye stat.

You wrote: "How? It's a gift from his wife to him. No?" Goodbye, you and me are done here

You asked me why it was tax evasion and I explained. Don't insult me because I gave you an answer you didn't like. I don't care what you do with your taxes, how much you pay or not pay or whether you go to jail or not. Bye.

The issue is not about how they would know if he was using the card, he told us he would use it, he therefore admits to tax evasion.

What is written on paper is meant to reflect reality, if it doesn't, that's tax evasion.

If you tax guy has already been filing for you, you already have a tax account and a TIN, you should ask him what the number is but it will almost certainly be on the copies of any tax returns that he gives you. I get that you file as non-resident for tax purposes, because your income arises inside Thailand but you are not tax resident.

He says he has a credit card that allows him to access those funds, which means he is using the funds that were supposed to be a gift. To be a gift, the funds not be returned to the giver in any way.

I run every morning and nearly always encounter dogs, most are usually OK. On the rare occasion a dog is not OK and becomes aggressive, I carry a copy of one of those long posts you frequently find in the tax threads and start reading aloud......even the most aggressive dog usually loses interest quickly and slinks away.

This, "only for Thai" line has its limits, not providing the same discount to all old age people is over the line for me, it's just not in good faith. What next, over age 65 years tax deduction of 190k is only for Thai also! Very very possibly.

You raise a point that only a lawyer can answer conclusively, my opinion is that you can but that's only an opinion. The advantage of course, as you realise, is the additional PA of 60k which is certainly useful.

Inevitable.

You have nothing to be concerned about, your calculations are correct and you have plenty of room to spare.

We live off the 107, not far from the Samoeng turn and we see the increase in traffic flows every winter, increasingly Bangkok plates are the norm, year round.

Stop, reach down to the ground as if to pick up something....dog runs away every time. If it doesn't and it comes at you, be prepared to kill it. The hospital erred on the side of caution, that bill is quite reasonable for the things you received. A government hospital would have been much cheaper but so what, we're not talking huge amounts.

That looks like a French sounding estate name in the Mae Sa valley, if so, they are all owned by Bangkokians, the staff at the Pamivan have the scoop..

I’m trying gradually to step away from the front line of the tax debates, it has after all been eight long months and I now have other things I would like to get involved in, elsewhere. Consequently I found myself looking more closely at the people who remain and was struck by their make up. In going forward, a problem I see is not in some members knowledge of tax but in the way they handle information, the picture I have is this: One of the most knowledgeable players has minimal regard for fact and draws nearly all their conclusions based on common sense, sentiment and emotion. Another person who is heavily involved is a classic ideologue, they constantly attempt to make even the flimsiest evidence support their conclusions, which once formed, are very difficult to dislodge. A third person is an ever present bi-stander who only comments on things said by others and has almost never offered anything other than opinion and has never posted facts about Thai tax. A fourth person is easily the most knowledgeable and capable by miles but mostly remains outside the mainstream debates these days. This is probably because he is smart enough to understand that there is no new news and probably wont be for some months, hence, there’s nothing new to talk about. Fortunately, there is a significant underlying cast of members, who attend frequently, who, very much like me, are solely evidence based and want to see proof that something is true. It’s not difficult to see why the two groups are frequently at loggerheads. In the absence of hard fact, sentiment often becomes fact and this is the major risk, that opinion will become fact in some people’s minds. I can’t stress too strongly how important I think it is that members demand to see indisputable and incontrovertible proof when anything significant is stated as fact. Just being a daily presence in these discussions is not enough to make what is said, fact. I accept that the search for consistent facts in a country such as Thailand, can sometimes be difficult because things can change without notice and decisions are often made, off the cuff. I also accept that rules here are sometimes ignored. None of those things mean however that decisions don’t get made and facts don’t exist, they do. Sometimes you just have to be patient or dig a little deeper, for most of us that just means waiting and for many people that’s painful.

There's more information here, if needed:

As I recall it costs about 1.500 in the North, from a pharmacy..

A wholly unrealistic aspiration.

I've read the Trilogy mainy times, my favorite read of all times.

Can I listen in when you try to explain the HBD option to TRD......I'll pay good money.