The Cyclist

No idea about Pattaya, but mine was about 18 months out of date due to the Covid carry on and it got renewed no problem.

I agree that is the most likely scenario, which is why I said But it is not something I am going to lose any sleep over, neither am I making any plans to flee

I wont be doing anything until I hear the details from the original announcement which said something along the lines of " People / Income from Countries with a DTA with Thailand will be exempt " In terms of any paperwork that might be required, my bases are covered with regards to income and tax paid in the UK.

Some people seem to have difficulty in understanding this Which is surprising as the answer is really simple Worst case scenario, I suspect I might need to go get a TIN and file an annual tax return for a lump sum of Baht 00000

Can you explain how you come to the conclusion that I think every Thai motorcyclist must be drunk ? I stated that I have seen drunken Thais on motorcycles in villages at the end of the rice harvest. Therefore it is not beyond the realms of possibility that the person who died, could have been drunk, could have been on a telephone, or could just have not been paying attention. Just because it is not mentioned in the news article, does not mean it could not have happened. All 3 are a common occurance on Thai roads everywhere, not just in villages at the end of the rice harvest.

Yes, I know it is true, that is why I typed it. Yes, of course it is my opinion and not a fact. However my opinion will be a damn sight closer to fact than over a 1000 posts of utter garbage and doom and gloom that has been posted over multiple threads @TroubleandGrumpy being a large contributor to that utter garbage and doom and gloom.

So you personally have never seen the drunken state of some Thais at the end of rice harvest riding motorbikes ? That might be why you think it was an unjustified comment.

Not sure why you are firing a wiki article about unintended consequences at me for. I know what unintended consequences are. I also know that this new interpretation of the rules is OECD led and is designed to stop people using loopholes that means that they avoid paying tax. In general it is not going to affect people who are already paying tax on incomes remitted to Thailand after 01 Jan 2024. Nor will it affect people who are covered by a DTA, other than perhaps getting off their asses and 1. Getting a TIN. 2 Filing an annual Nil tax return.

There wasn't a suggestion, but anyone who has spent any time out in the boonies will know that any of the 3 are distinct possibilities. With a big emphasis on the possibility of being drunk at the end of the rice harvest.

Kenny, I believe that you are looking for excuses to do nothing rather than take action. I send you the best wishes in the world, but if your ex really is as batsh1t crazy as you make out, rev up and ( deleted ) off before serious harm comes to you, or more even more importantly, the child. The childs welfare and well being should come before any ridiculous excuse that it is too difficult to move somewhere else. Just seen the above, after 5 years I think that any advice is wasted.

Sorry, cannot help you with that one. I renewed mine at a different DLT office from where it was issued. But I had moved permanently to the new Province. I cannot even remember if I needed any other paperwork beyond a fit to drive letter, Driving Licence and Passport. Might be helpful to find out what paperwork the DLT office you intend using requires.

Do you think that the above could possibly pertain to the loopholes that they are currently trying to close. And is nothing whatsoever to do with income remitted to Thailand from 01 Jan 2024 that has already been taxed in the source Country ? This is not an exercise in trying to catch people who have already paid tax. It is an exercise to catch people who are not paying tax.

In the UK, every single person has a Personal tax allowance of ( currently ) £12,570. Below £12,570 you pay no tax on earnings. Above £12,570 a year income you pay income tax. It matters not a jot where that income comes from, pensions, employment, or any other that you care to mention. If it is what is known as UK derived income, above the Personal Tax Allowance, you will pay tax in the UK until the day you die. For example Government Pension = 18,000 Private Pension = 21,000 Total = 39,000 Minus PTA = 12,570 Taxable income = 26,430 @ 20%. Tax = £5,300 in tax. Add a State Pension to that @ £11,O00 and the figures rise. Tax payable until the day you die.

That comment comes from the original declaration from the Thai RD. So it is hardly a generalised opinion. I have told you and others ( IMO ) income that has been taxed in your home Country is very unlikely to be subject to Thai tax. The only people ( IMO ) that is going to smacked in the goolies are people who have ( by means legal and by using loopholes ) avoided paying taxes. No pensions haven't been mentioned because It again focus's on the initial 3 things mentioned in the original RD announcement * Employment * Business * Other Assets You do fully understand the meaning of this ? Stuff that has already been taxed will be exempt for those that come from a Country that has a DTA with Thailand.

Did you miss this part of the original announcement ? Any chance that you could calm down to a panic. The only people who are going to get caught up in unintended consequences are people who have not been paying the correct taxes that they should have been paying

The UK State Pension is not tax exempt. For most people the UK State Pension falls below the PTA allowance of £12570 and is therefore not taxed. If you have other income / Pension that takes you above the £12570 threshold then it does become taxable.

2000 baht deposit on the bottle and 500 baht for the gas. You get the deposit back when you give the bottle back. Or exchange for a refill at around 500 baht.

I think this part of the original announcement is what should concern most people Until such times as the Thai Gov / RD say otherwise. To my way of thinking, this says at least 2 things. 1. DTA's will be honoured. 2. Income over and above that which is stipulated in DTA's will also be exempt if it has already been taxed in the other DTA Country.

No I mean when you retire in the UK and you have income above £12570 a year then that income is taxed, which includes pensions, part time work, investments or any other manner of income that is derived in the UK. Taxed till the day you die even if you live overseas.

Well you thought wrong ( UK ) no idea about other Countries.

Why would anyone pay Thai income tax on money that has already been taxed in their home Country. That argument would hold up if there was a method / option of not paying tax in your home Country and paying tax in Thailand instead. For someone on Baht 30,000 a month, that Thai tax might be nil or peanuts, but that nil / peanuts figure does not apply tp everyone.

Up to you as the Thais are fond of saying. I would rather change banking details and the small amount of effort that goes into that, than potentially have a much bigger discussion with the Thai tax authority. Your pension, you make the decision on what you think is best for you.

Get your pension paid direct to a Thai bank and your P60's sent to your Thai address and save yourself a lot of potential hassle. Or do nothing and wait and see what happens next year, when things hopefully become clearer.

You have a detailed breakdown of ' How is it all going to work ' ? Then you should post it up here for everyone to read, digest and understand. Are you having some difficulties ? I never said a DTA makes you tax exempt, I never said anything, I posted a paragraph from the initial order The Thai Government / RD are free to make whatever exemptions they like as long as those exemptions comply with current DTA's. The above statement seems to indicate that the Thai Gov / RD are actually going to go above and beyond the scope detailed in DTA's, by extending the scope of a DTA to cover any income that has already been taxed, rather than than only income specified in the DTA. Certainly in the case of the UK - Thai DTA and I am not really interested in any other Countries - Thai DTA. Put your thinking head on, rather than your chicken little head. The rest of your comment is unfounded speculation that isn't even worth reading.

Luxury only having a 5 or 6 hour wait compared to the UK. Nearly 8 million have been waiting weeks, months and years in the UK. That is one hellava £200 Billion joke.