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Some pictures from the scene. Pictures from responders.

June 30, at Kilometre Marker 25, Asia Highway, Opposite Somdet Phra Sangkharaj Hospital, Bo Phong Subdistrict, Nakhon Luang District, Phra Nakhon Si Ayutthaya Province. A fire broke out in a Mercedes-Benz vehicle at kilometer marker 25 on the Asia Highway heading towards Ang Thong Province. The fire originated in the engine compartment on the right side of the vehicle. The car was forced to pull over to the side of the road. Mr. San (last name withheld), a 54-year-old driver of a 6-wheel truck, was following behind and witnessed the incident. He called out to the Benz driver to stop and used a fire extinguisher to contain the blaze before local firefighters from the Bo Phong Subdistrict Administrative Organisation arrived to assist. Mr. San, the truck driver, reported that while driving, he noticed sparks under the Mercedes-Benz. He alerted the driver to pull over and assisted in extinguishing the fire. His company mandates safety training for all drivers, including aiding fellow motorists in distress without worrying about delivery delays. The owner of the Mercedes-Benz stated that the car, equipped with an NGV system, was en route to a religious ceremony in Ang Thong. The vehicle is regularly maintained, especially the gas system. Firefighters informed him that the fire originated from a problem with the gas heater in the engine compartment, leading to a gas leak and subsequent ignition. Further investigation by specialists will be necessary to determine the exact cause. https://workpointnews.com/around/news/NQSBIRR

Video of the incident is here. (Safe to view) https://fb.watch/t0PMekbWKd/?

June 30, 2024, Sata Police Flat, Village No. 2, Bannang Sata Subdistrict, Bannang Sata District, Yala Province. At approximately 10:10, Pol. Lt. Col. Worawit Na Nakorn, Investigator of Bannang Sata Police Station, received a report of an explosion in front of the police flat in Bannang Sata. The explosion caused partial damage to the police residences and resulted in one fatality and several injuries. Firefighters were promptly dispatched to the scene. The explosion occurred on the roadside in front of the police officers' residential building, within the municipal area of Bannang Sata, only a few hundred meters from the district office and police station. A nearby market was active with civilians shopping. The blast caused significant damage to the surrounding area and vehicles parked nearby. It is suspected that the explosive device was hidden in a vehicle parked among others on the roadside. Fatalities: - 1 (an unidentified woman) Injuries -18 (8 police officers and 10 civilians, with injuries from shrapnel and chest trauma). Emergency services have transported the injured to the hospital for treatment. The investigation is ongoing to determine the exact cause and nature of the explosion, with initial suspicions pointing towards a potential car bomb. https://workpointnews.com/around/news/NPS3S69

Yes not clear from the reporting, I know I would have look.

Yes maybe, but he had pulled over and only had to open the cover between/under the seats. It is not conclusive but the picture below seems to show the fire developing from either between/under the seats or under the dashboard. Note all the doors open to feed oxygen to the fire.

Yes, but this was not an EV involved in this fire. Could you also say, isn’t one sitting in front of a tank of highly flammable liquid/gas in an ICE or LPG car?

Yes, poorly self installed battery seems to have started the fire, then the fire developed like any other Toyota Commuter, diesel van.

I think this van had something like this installed, as the owner is reported as saying in the Thai media, “He confirmed that no modifications were made to the van’s audio system or other parts, apart from the installation of the lithium battery for air conditioning purposes. The van was used exclusively for personal use.” https://workpointnews.com/around/news/NTV9918

No it is not a question of scale, read the research I posted, and how the test fires were modelled and recorded. I clearly stated, yes I have dealt with EV and Li-ion fires and also worked on guidance about EVs and Li-ion batteries. You do understand that the risks with Li-ion batteries is a lot bigger than just EVs. I don’t need to boost about my experiences, I don’t suffer from your superiority complex, I just leave that to someone who calls themself a chemist, that synthesised nitroglycerine, which has no relevance to this at all. I posted the research and you not only failed to believe it you have also posted zero links to anything that proves your point. Remember your first post in the thread “t's worth noting a fire hose was ineffective in extinguishing the fire. Just as well it did not occur in an enclosed space, such as undercover parking.”, which was totally wrong, as the fire was extinguished using water hose-line and the vehicle was not an EV, but don’t let the truth and facts get in the way of you alternative reality.

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5555 now digging and deflection. That is called development, hence why research is carried out and operational/safety guidance, covering all risks are amended and updated to reflect those developments. Also EV manufacturers work with bodies like the NFPA (National Fire Protection Association) on guidance. https://www.nfpa.org/education-and-research/emergency-response/emergency-response-guides#aq=%40culture%3D"en"&cq=%40taglistingpage%3D%3D("EV Guides") &numberOfResults=12&sortCriteria=%40title ascending

55555 still digging. Read my post I said all Li-ion fires, not just EVs.

Yes I have lots of experience of Li-ion fires of all types, not just EVs, and also the research into them to produce operational/safety procedures and guidance. Oh look I made a spelling error, I must be human, but also I did provide the links with the evidence to support my claims, which you and the other poster have failed to do. Bye and remember the first rules of holes, when in one stop digging.

So post some credible research and stop embarrassing yourself with you lack of knowledge.

So again absolutely nothing but your own paranoid belief and a pedantic questioning of my use of words. Please where are you links to you claimed research or are you talking about the web page posted above? My qualifications are MIFireE, specialising in 4 subjects, fire engineering, fire safety, fire investigation and aviation response. I am fully experienced in all aspects of emergency response, having almost 40 years of hands on real inexperience. It is so funny to be lectured by 2 AN non-specialist, that probably can’t even understand the way the research tests were carried out. Have a good day, and try not to embarrass yourself further.

Try reading the research papers I linked, their are published by professional bodies and peer reviewed. I can link you to the real research, what I can’t do is make you understand it.

55555 as expected. So I show the science research, published by professional bodies and peer reviewed, but you don’t want to believe it! I ask again please supply creditable links to support your claims. Your earlier posts about water hose-lines not working on this non EV fire, shows that you have never extinguished a vehicle fire, just unqualified Dunning and Kruger effect. Bye and have a good day, pointless to continue a debate when someone refuses to except facts and data, remember it is ignorant speculation that fuels misinformation.

It was not an EV, just a self installed battery for the AC, so I would assume it was easy to access and see the flame.

Can you please supply a credible link to the claims, as the NFPA (National Fite Protection Association) testing from August 2023, found EVs & ICEVs burn at a similar heat, refuting the common misconception that EVs burn hotter than ICEV. Water Spray Fire Suppression Tests Comparing Gasoline-Fuelled and Battery Electric Vehicles (Published August 2023) Testing also found that a fire in a battery electric vehicle does not seem to be more challenging than a fire in a gasoline-fuelled vehicle for a drencher system designed in accordance with current international recommendations, in the performance efficiency of water spray fire suppression systems (often denoted “drencher systems”) typically installed on ro–ro cargo and ro–ro passenger ships https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10694-023-01473-w Analysis of combustion gases from large-scale electric vehicle fire tests Furthermore calculations of the heat release rate, peak heat release rate and total heat release were performed, as well as chemical analysis of gas and soot. Peak heat release rate and total heat release were affected by the fire scenario and vehicle model, but not significantly by the type of powertrain. Regarding the combustion gases, hydrogen fluoride represented the largest difference between electric vehicles and internal combustion engine vehicles. Additionally, battery specific metals such as manganese, nickel, cobalt and lithium were found in higher concentrations in the electric vehicle tests than in the internal combustion vehicle tests, in which larger quantities of lead were found. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0379711223000978

Thanks for the science lesson, I am fully aware of how to extinguish a li-ion fire, and this fire was clearly extinguished with only water. This was not a EV, the battery that was installed was very probably small, and may have started the fire, but had zero to do on the development of the fire. This was not a EV thermal runaway event, just a standard car fire, like this car fire in Nong Chok, this afternoon.

So now you admit you have no idea what you are talking about, This factory has been shut down years ago and prosecuted for operating illegally. The report states that people are to be charged with arson, do you really think that insurance companies (these premises were not insured) are going to pay out after a deliberate fire when “the suspects include executives responsible for overseeing the businesses”.

The fire extinguished by hose-lines using water. The initial attack in the video, used a jet, which is always going to be ineffective. As soon as the responders started using a spray pattern, hence greater cooling, the fire was knocked down and extinguished. The poor firefighting is due to the fact that responders are not wearing SCBA (self contained breathing apparatus) and most not even in fire kit, thus they are prevented in getting close to the fire. As the van is destroyed anyway, the responders are not going to take any risk, as nothing is savable. What do you think they used, there is zero evidence of foam or dry powder being used. This was a standard vehicle fire, nothing special.

Try reading the report, it was a Toyota Commuter van, that is only available in Thailand with a diesel engine. The fire was believed started by a battery the owner had installed to power the AC. it is not a EV.

Seems there is a lot more to this case, and all very sad and unpleasant. Her estranged husband is also in a psychiatric facility, from before poor child's death, for attacking her and his own parents. https://pembrokeshire-herald.com/88035/accuseds-husband-is-in-psychiatric-facility-after-multiple-assaults-on-family/ https://news.sky.com/story/ed-linse-man-attacked-parents-for-sending-him-to-boarding-school-40-years-ago-12767192