On 11/26/2024 at 8:58 PM, riclag said:

Federal judge shopping!

 

Obama & Biden got many stationed all over the states.

The lefts got many activist organizations all ready lined up to protest deportation!

https://www.organizedcommunities.org/

Laws don't apply when they do not align with their liberal agenda.

1 minute ago, Cryingdick said:

 

I was just busting your chops.

No problem.  By the way, I was born in Hawaii and so was my mother.

Her parents immigrated to Hawaii in the early 1900s.

7 minutes ago, Cryingdick said:

There is a bit of irony in this given your username.

For the record, I am of Chinese, Ukrainian and German descent.  Although there are Native Hawaiians in my family, I am not.

It was mostly American sugar planters behind the overthrow of the Hawaiian monarchy.  Among their supporters were some Native Hawaiians and a bunch of Portuguese (this not well known) immigrants.  The U.S. has said their military was there only to protect American citizens, but recently discovered documentation discloses otherwise. 

The Republic of Hawaii was established after the fall of the monarchy followed by annexation with Hawaii becoming a U.S. Territory.  Hawaii overwhelmingly voted for statehood and 1959 Hawaii became the 50th state.

On 11/26/2024 at 6:49 AM, Patong2021 said:

 

The words demonstrate the limited intelligence of those who propose simplistic solutions for a complex problem.  Are you even aware of Presidential Proclamation 1077 that changed the threshold rules? Migrant advocacy groups have been protesting against the Biden administration because of this proclamation amendment.

 

Unauthorized entrants who are apprehended are screened within 24 hours of apprehension. Almost everyone who crosses without authorization is generally ineligible for asylum, absent exceptionally compelling circumstances. In order to stay, they must show a credible fear of life reason to remain. If they cannot remain, they are removed as soon as  they are processed. This is the vast majority of people.

 

The people who are allowed to remain pending a hearing must show a fear of life basis. Anyone considered a risk is fitted with a tracking ankle bracelet or is detained. If they violate the terms of the permission to remain, they are subject to immediate removal from the country. If they are allowed to remain, in accordance with the US treaty agreements, then they are not "illegal".

 

If the intent is to deport unauthorized entrants, why put them on buses to Colorado? The current rules are to immediately remove them. Why are you now asking that they be allowed to stay?

 

If you really are serious about dealing with unauthorized migrants crack down on the US nationals who smuggle them and who profit from their exploitation. Arrest and punish the contractors who drive through the migrant day labour zones in AZ, NV, CA etc. looking for cheap day labour. The migrants would not be able to come to the USA and to live there unless they were enabled.

So who is enabling these kids?

https://www.foxnews.com/video/6365155926112

On 11/29/2024 at 10:35 AM, Jingthing said:

OK, I get it. This sounds sensationalist and it's obviously not something that if it ever happens will happen soon.

HOWEVER -- 

The fact that this is even being talked about is another sign of the seriousness of the situation of autocrat Trump coming back to power.

Why? Well, normal decent American presidents try to be presidents of ALL the states. Not just states where they have a lot of support. Trump has already shown a pattern of wanting to PUNISH states (and cities) with leadership and voters who oppose his extremist maga autocrat agenda.

I'm not saying this will really happen. Nobody can predict the future that way. But such split up of countries is actually not rare in world history, ancient and more recent.

 

As long as we're talking about the U.S. splitting up, personally I wouldn't want to join Canada even if Canada wanted to acquire U.S. states. I think new INDEPENDENT countries would be much better.

The Northeast for sure but also the Pacific Coast States.

 

 

Four States Could Secede From US and Join Canada to Avoid Trump—Democrat - Newsweek

 

 

Sensational, maybe; foolish nonsense, definitely.  There is always strength in numbers even though some may not always agree with the majority.  Why do you think we have never been occupied by a foreign power?

16 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Said by someone that apparently lived in a cave and had no communication with the outside world between 2016 till 2020.

 

Anyway, if you think his first time wasn't impressive, just wait till he gets started this time.

Amen to that.

3 hours ago, Mavideol said:

Trump modo!!!  do as I say don't do as I do....555

Trump signed the law to require presidential ethics pledges. Now he is exempting himself from it

https://au.yahoo.com/news/trump-signed-law-require-presidential-205144849.html

 

 

 

Everyone knows he is a man of contradictions.  There are still people who are not afraid of him and will stop some of his nonsense.  He needs to be reminded on a daily basis that he wasn't given a mandate to do as he pleases.

2 hours ago, Patong2021 said:

 The attempt to blame Mexico for the fentanyl crisis is a refusal to accept responsibility for a made in America crisis. Go after the motorcycle gangs who manufacture and distribute the crystal meth and fent.  Deal with the users. You could stop all drugs from entering tomorrow and the USA would still have a drug crisis. It is because the society is rotting from the inside out. The people are neglected and not taken care of. While Elon and Sylvester party at Mar O Logo, thousands of homeless, destitute people are scavenging the streets of the big cities look for their next meal.

I believe the U.S. should take a multi-prong approach.  Dealing with users, distributors (including the gangs you mention) and international interdiction.  It is reported precursors come in from China with the finished product made in Mexico.  Shipments of cocaine and marijuana from South America (mainly Columbia) are regularly being intercepted.  All of this needs to be addressed.

1 minute ago, frank83628 said:

the link doesn't work. but having gone through heyday of ecstasy in the 90's/00's and all the tabloid press <deleted>,  i'm highly skeptical of reports like that.

from a users point of view it was fearmongering to get public outrage. 

Sorry about the link.  It was a warning from the DEA about colorful fentanyl laced pills for sale.  One of my friends told me they were being sold, some for free, to kids in his neighborhood.  Local police confirmed this.  Fentanyl is nothing to mess with.  Just handling the drug can cause severe reactions.  This is not fearmongering, believe me. Both of my tenants are rehab counselors and say fentanyl is some bad stuff.

1 hour ago, Albo said:

 

 

 

555 this is right out of the Swamp. The 'worst and most damaging' .. that's insane especially given past four years of blinken, mayorkas, buttigeg and the two trannies. DOJ is absolute chaos.

 

She's a very intelligent woman with combat and legislative experience. She received more interest than Kamala Harris had in respective campaigns.

 

You've been wrong on everything for last four years. A smarter person would do have a bit of introspection. Yet you forge ahead headlong into the propaganda. When the former HI and US congressperson is a sitting cabinet member we can all reflect on yet another ridiculous lack of political understanding and sheer partisanship and demogogic hackery. 🤣🤣🤣

 

One thing sure is the Swamp knows they're gonna get shown the door, lose inability to jump back and forth from lobbying to government, lose forever wars and all those lucrative mic contracts. 👍👍👍

Evidently, you are not aware of Tulsi's past history before she enlisted in Hawaii Army National Guard and was elected to political office. 

1 hour ago, Patong2021 said:

 

And armed and supplied by the USA. Why does the USA allow all those weapons to  flow into Mexico?

The cartels would not have the wealth and power that they do if  the USA was not supplying the money to do so. The two most common drugs imported into the USA are marijuana and methamphetamine.  No one is forcing Americans to gobble down the meth or to smoke the cannabis. Americans  find it easier to blame Mexico, when the real problem is the moral rot and hypocrisy of the American people.

While mature adults should know better, what about kids?  https://www.dea.gov/press-release/2022/08/30/dea-warns-brightly-colored-fentanyl-used-target-young-americans

And it is not just fentanyl laced pills, but candy and other edible items.

The cartels are heartless demons that target anyone, Mexicans and Americans alike.

43 minutes ago, cardinalblue said:

Here is the problem I have with your post…like your resume, you inflate your statements…your “many illegals” equate to 5% of illegals have committed crime compared to adjusted data which is only half when compared to US citizens committing crimes

 

US current deportation focus is to deport all illegals who commit crimes…why you say? Because that is all the money that has been budgeted…if you want more, then increase the budget drum roll to a practical number…

 

trump makes this incredible stupid statements that’ all illegals immigrants will be imported…at what cost? Do the math 

 

that is over a trillion dollars if they deported a million a year over eleven years…who is picking up theses costs…taxpayers…trump’s history is he is the 3rd most president to increase the deficit…he is part of the problem like Biden…both presidents have continued to add to inflation/cost of living going up over the last 8 years

 

there are illegal grandmothers who have been in the country 20years…what’s the point of deporting them? The biggest issue is the illegal workforce that contributes mightily to the US surging economy…they serve a useful purpose…it’s not like they are taking desirable jobs away from citizens? If you want to clean up an area…clean up an area try work comp…the fraud by US citizens  to get disability insurance  (meaning not work b/c they don’t want to work) is off the charts…get those people back to work rather than paying then not to work 

 

don't fall for this “ throw out the baby with the bath water”  syndrome…
 

trump’s 4 years of immigrant policy and deportation already has been unimpressive…”judge them by what they do and not what they say”…one needs to comprehend that statement clearly….tell me again who paid for the existing 300 mile museum of a wall? What a waste of taxpayers money by someone who talks in generalities yet accomplishes very little 

Whose resume are you talking about?

If Donald Trump accomplishes very little, then why worry about his deportation plan?  And if what you say is true don't waste your time posting all those numbers since it ain't going to happen.

29 minutes ago, Gknrd said:

With hugs.. 

You mean like her predecessor, AMLO?

1 hour ago, GypsyT said:

Cartels end when Americans stop snorting white powder......

If it is not illegal drugs it will be something else like extortion.  When prohibition in the U.S. ended the mobs moved on to gambling.

1 hour ago, Patong2021 said:

 

Yes, that is usually what occurs. However, an arrest does not necessarily result in detention. On the contrary, almost all non violent accused are released either on a promise to appear, or on bond,or subject to other conditions. Unauthorized  migrants are entitled to a hearing. New migrants are processed in under 24 hours and unless authorized to stay in the USA are now immediately removed. A migrant authorize to remain until another hearing is in effect "legal".

 

 

 

I am not defending unauthorized migrants. I am however asking how you will care for the 4 million+ US children who will not have their caregivers available to care and pay for their upkeep. How do you propose to manage that? Did you even give it any thought?

 

 

I have a  better understanding of US law than you do. You obviously do not understand the Fifth Amendment and the concept of due process.  Due process means that the government and its associated agents cannot deprive people of their freedom or property unless they follow the proper procedures. The right to be presumed innocent until proven guilty is fundamental to due process. The presumption of innocence is a constitutional right, is extended through this amendment. This position  dates back to 

COFFIN v. U.S. , 162 U.S. 664 (1896),  United States Supreme Court May 04, 1896. It has been upheld and expanded in multiple rulings since then.

 

Your argument is one of  absolute power for the police, and would allow a police officer to decide a person's guilt. Fortunately, this is not allowed and the USA is not a totalitarian state (yet). A principal function of police is the safeguarding of democratic processes through the upholding of the law. 

 

Nor do the municipal or state police have a mandate to enforce  immigration laws. DHS agents and other federal agents do. In the USA there is a separation between federal and state powers & jurisdictions. 

 

Keep it up and the citizen militias, the posse comitatus groups, the sovereign citizen followers, Libertarians and independent conservatives will turn on you for advocating  an absolute police mandate  rule.

You act like you are an expert of U.S. criminal law.  Is that why you posted word for word from the same online source I read?

1 hour ago, Patong2021 said:

 

Yes, that is usually what occurs. However, an arrest does not necessarily result in detention. On the contrary, almost all non violent accused are released either on a promise to appear, or on bond,or subject to other conditions. Unauthorized  migrants are entitled to a hearing. New migrants are processed in under 24 hours and unless authorized to stay in the USA are now immediately removed. A migrant authorize to remain until another hearing is in effect "legal".

 

 

 

I am not defending unauthorized migrants. I am however asking how you will care for the 4 million+ US children who will not have their caregivers available to care and pay for their upkeep. How do you propose to manage that? Did you even give it any thought?

 

 

I have a  better understanding of US law than you do. You obviously do not understand the Fifth Amendment and the concept of due process.  Due process means that the government and its associated agents cannot deprive people of their freedom or property unless they follow the proper procedures. The right to be presumed innocent until proven guilty is fundamental to due process. The presumption of innocence is a constitutional right, is extended through this amendment. This position  dates back to 

COFFIN v. U.S. , 162 U.S. 664 (1896),  United States Supreme Court May 04, 1896. It has been upheld and expanded in multiple rulings since then.

 

Your argument is one of  absolute power for the police, and would allow a police officer to decide a person's guilt. Fortunately, this is not allowed and the USA is not a totalitarian state (yet). A principal function of police is the safeguarding of democratic processes through the upholding of the law. 

 

Nor do the municipal or state police have a mandate to enforce  immigration laws. DHS agents and other federal agents do. In the USA there is a separation between federal and state powers & jurisdictions. 

 

Keep it up and the citizen militias, the posse comitatus groups, the sovereign citizen followers, Libertarians and independent conservatives will turn on you for advocating  an absolute police mandate  rule.

It is not my job to address the problem of taking care of  the 4 million + (your figures) children you keep mentioning about.  This is why Trump has appointed Tom Homan as border czar.  As former temporary acting head of ICE he is well aware of the complexities of the job.  Since you are so worried I suggest you contact him with your concerns.

41 minutes ago, steven100 said:

I believe most mexicans sell snake oil  .... 

Forty years ago I had a young Mexican worker from Michoacan who explained to me about corruption in Mexico from the Catholic Church to all levels of government.  The situation has gotten much worse with cartels running the country.  His home province is now controlled by the Sinaloa Cartel.  Now they are selling something more deadly than snake oil.

  Hopefully, she is not.  Have to wait and see.

22 minutes ago, Cryingdick said:

Prior to being convicted you are normally arrested.  See how that works? 

Right.  Arrest is the first stage in criminal proceedings. 

13 minutes ago, Patong2021 said:

 

I suggest you take the time to understand the criminal code of the USA.  Until one is convicted of a crime, one is not a criminal. 

The mayor of Denver has not objected to the removal of criminals, and supports the removal of violent offenders.

What is your plan to deal with the 4 million+  US citizens who are at risk. Since you wish to rely on the law, please note that multiple US laws set out the following statutory rights of children in the USA;

 

-Right to Legal Representation: A child has the right to be represented by an attorney in court. This attorney, often called a “guardian ad litem” or “child advocate,” acts as the child’s voice and ensures their best interests are taken into consideration during the legal process.

-Right to Due Process: This means they have the right to a fair and impartial hearing, the right to present evidence and witnesses on their behalf, and the right to confront witnesses against them.

-Right to Participation: Children may have the right to participate in certain legal decisions that directly affect them, such as child custody arrangements.

-Right to Protection: Courts are responsible for ensuring the safety and well-being of children. This includes taking measures to protect them from harm or exposure to traumatic experiences during the legal process.

-Right to Education: The legal system recognizes a child’s right to education, and court decisions should aim to ensure that educational opportunities are not disrupted unnecessarily.

-Right to Timely Proceedings: Children have the right to have their legal matters handled in a timely manner, so as not to unduly prolong legal uncertainties or disruptions in their lives.

-Right to Voice Concerns: Children have the right to voice their concerns and express their feelings about the legal process, especially when it directly impacts their lives.

 

Aside from the cost of care for the millions of children who would be affected by the removal of their caregiver(s), the federal government would be obliged to provide legal counsel to the children to respect their statutory legal rights. 

 

Where are you going to find the  billions of dollars to pay for this. More importantly, where are you going to find the tens of thousands of people needed to undertake this activity?

Make all the arguments you want in defense of these illegals.  It is going to happen.  Democratic Texas Representative, Henry Cuellar, is working with the future border czar, Tom Homan, to implement the deportation agreement.  He is in favor of deportation and is encouraging fellow Democrats to get on board. 

As I said before, if there is a will, there is a way and you and your kind are not going to stop it.

38 minutes ago, Presnock said:

guess I should have said a foreign_"born" naturalized citizen...sorry

No problem.  By the way, there have been a number of foreign born, naturalized citizens that have had distinguished political careers.  Some have served honorably in the U.S. military, including Congressional Medal of Honor recipients.