Kilgore Trout

First of all, how do you know this father will greive? For all we know he doesn't care one bit.

Senselles punishment? Ever heard of deterrence?

In my country parents who leave their child in a hot car to sizzle to death (happens quite frequently) are charged with gross negligence leading to death. In my opinion this case is no different. The father should be nailed to the wall. If he is actually greiving then he will accept his punishment as being right and just.

Watch Tv and read the news, the father is griefing and not a hearthless basterd.

Leaving your child in a hot car you can expect dehydration and possible death as a result. A six year old child being taken from a car is somewhat less to expect.

If you want to prosecute him, you must prosecute every parent that leaves a child in a car for more than only 30 seconds.

Thats right; any parent who leaves a child alone in a car for ANY amount of time should be prosecuted for neglect and risk having the state take his/her children away. Regardless of whether it is 10 hours or 10 seconds full stop.

However in this case it is neglect LEADING TO death. What that means is that had he not left the child alone, she would not be dead. HIS actions directly led to her death.

If he is truly greiving (and not faking it, which you or I could never know) then he will accept his punishment as just.

By your logic a parent could let their child starve to death, then act sad when they die to avoid prosecution.

Neglect is a crime plain and simple. Criminals should be prosecuted for their crimes.

Your position shocks and stuns me, it could only lead to more neglect. Think about it.

Tragic incident. In any civilized world the father would be prosecuted for gross neglect.

Hope he spends every day of the rest of his life realizing this was entirely his fault. Hope the concert was worth it. Pathetic.

I would hope that in a civilized country he would not be prosecuted.

I disagree with you Mario. The reason that the girl was vulnerable to this sickening crime squarely rests on the shoulders of her father. She was his responsibility and he let her down because he wanted to see a show.

And so you want to prosecute him? What good would that do? That man is already grieving for the rest of his live. I would think he is punished enough already and that in a civilized country we do not give senseless punishment.

First of all, how do you know this father will greive? For all we know he doesn't care one bit.

Senselles punishment? Ever heard of deterrence?

In my country parents who leave their child in a hot car to sizzle to death (happens quite frequently) are charged with gross negligence leading to death. In my opinion this case is no different. The father should be nailed to the wall. If he is actually greiving then he will accept his punishment as being right and just.

Tragic incident. In any civilized world the father would be prosecuted for gross neglect.

Hope he spends every day of the rest of his life realizing this was entirely his fault. Hope the concert was worth it. Pathetic.

I would hope that in a civilized country he would not be prosecuted.

So you think that gross criminal neglect of a 6 year old child is ok...........hmmmm.....care to explain???

You have left this ugly dirty world, I hope you are now flying high in a much more beautiful and magical world, I'm so sorry for the pain you suffered here on Earth.

RIP. /cry

My 6 year old daughter was watching the news this morning, when I showered. She told me parts of this story. Now sitting in office I can literally cry. How can you fully protect your child against psychopaths? Risk analysis is my daily 'routine' here and it is exhausting.

Not leaving your child in the back of a pick up truck alone late at night while you are watching a concert is a start.

Tragic incident. In any civilized world the father would be prosecuted for gross neglect.

Hope he spends every day of the rest of his life realizing this was entirely his fault. Hope the concert was worth it. Pathetic.

Does your wife work full time?

So where did I say that "Thais have no right to express themselves?" The quotes you stated do not, by any stretch of the imagination state or elude to that. If you are going to accuse me of saying that then back it up.

In addition, the rest of your post makes no sense.

Any intelligent person could see what you said, you defended the rights of the US Nazi's, to be involved

in a political event, in nazi uniform, and then you find the Thai's are wrong for doing the same thing and did not state they also had a right to do so.

It is obvious that you are unable to back up you opinion, and use the classic I do not understand, as I have responded to your questions and you are incapable of documenting your post!

Must be time for your medication!

Cheers

So you are saying that ronald mc hitler, hitler fried chicken, chula's billboard etc are political events?

Its plain to see why arguing with you is useless. You just don't get it.

what a silly thing to say, people shouldn't learn history if it has nothing to do with them. Your hubris and ignorance truly amaze me.

By the way, who gave you the right to speak for all Thai people? I know plenty of Thai people who ARE quite interested in global history and important world events.

Silly, silly, silly.

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Hey Trout

I would like to ask you the same question

Weak response, where is the quote? Back up what you say or keep quiet

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Kilgore Trout

You must have some type of documentation to buttress your contention that the incidents of Thai youth fashion chic (re: Nazi attire) is much more offensive than the Nazi presents in the West, I have sent documentation re: US, but I can just as easily show you their presence in Europe.

Surely you would not judge that sentiment in Thailand just based on nothing more than ethnocentric assumptions.

You need to take some of your own advise, "Back up what you say or Keep Quiet"

Cheers:

Your posts just keep getting weaker and weaker, your arguments more ridiculous.

If you don't get it, that's your issue. I'm done. Have fun wallowing in your own ignorance.

what a silly thing to say, people shouldn't learn history if it has nothing to do with them. Your hubris and ignorance truly amaze me.

By the way, who gave you the right to speak for all Thai people? I know plenty of Thai people who ARE quite interested in global history and important world events.

Silly, silly, silly.

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Hey Trout

I would like to ask you the same question

Weak response, where is the quote? Back up what you say or keep quiet

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Once again and listen closely, go back to post #53 and read, do you read anything prior to responding to it?

You stated (in part) "There is a HUGE difference between the two" "We expect that behavior from a bunch of nazi idiots in the US" "A very small minority of fools exercising their right to free speech" "I do believe they have a right to say it. That is what freedom is all about"

"On the other hand here in Thailand you have nitwits who are using a very powerful symbol;s of hatred and destruction to make cutesie shows and T-shirts and when told that is extremely offensive they just giggle and say"I don't know".

In your defense of 75-100 US Nazi's marching under the White Power flag, in full Nazi uniform in a Political demonstration at the State Capital in Phoenix Arizona, where only a bunch of fools exercising their right to "Free Speech" , Stating "That is what freedom is all about."

Do I still have your attention? Then you stated

"On the other hand here in Thailand you have nitwits who are using very powerful symbols of hatred and destruction to make cutesie shows and t-shirts" "You are comparing apples to oranges here"

You completely failed to state they "Where a bunch of nitwits exercising their freedom of speech" as you did in defense of the US Nazi's.

In your flawed logic, explain why there is a HUGE difference to what the Thai's do on tee-shirts and cutesie shows (whatever that is) that is more offensive then Nazi marching at a political rally in full uniform.

Then in your infinite knowledge you erroneously state "If you think there is a real problem then you are clueless" which is one of the most "clueless" statements I ever heard.

Your statement documents You are not from the states and are completely clueless about US modern day problems, Look up on the internet US Nazi party and you-tube about filmed history of the extent of the Nazi presents in the US.

I will not ask you to quote what you posted to because it is not within your ability to do. If possible put your brain in gear, before you put your mouth in motion! (or be quiet)

Cheers

S

So where did I say that "Thais have no right to express themselves?" The quotes you stated do not, by any stretch of the imagination state or elude to that. If you are going to accuse me of saying that then back it up.

In addition, the rest of your post makes no sense.

what a silly thing to say, people shouldn't learn history if it has nothing to do with them. Your hubris and ignorance truly amaze me.

By the way, who gave you the right to speak for all Thai people? I know plenty of Thai people who ARE quite interested in global history and important world events.

Silly, silly, silly.

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Hey Trout

I would like to ask you the same question

Weak response, where is the quote? Back up what you say or keep quiet

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Legal, yes. Desirable, no. But they'll do what they want in any case. I don't think it's so horrible for the Thai youth to be better educated on what those Hitler and Nazi symbols actually refer to and I find it really bizarre that people here would be so strongly opposed to BASIC relief of mass IGNORANCE! It's weird, really. What are you afraid of here? Does it hurt you if Thai youth are better informed on such matters? Do you enjoy the innocent charm of such mass ignorance? I doubt you find that charming in your home country and yes mass ignorance knows no borders. Why charming here? Double standard much.

I had nothing in school about Hitler and the Nazis, and I grew up in a country that fought against Germany, so I really fail to understand why anyone would suggest adding that subject to the Thai curriculum. After all, they simply DON'T CARE about it.

So you are saying that a school's curriculum should ignore any subject that students don't care about?

I gues you could say goodbye to math, science, language, literature and so on. Students need a good well rounded education. most kids don't understand this until they get older. This is why trained educators write school curriculum.

I heard there will be a post of the year, yours might win the award for most ridiculous post of the year. Gee whiz.....

Of course not.

The Thai PEOPLE don't care about the Nazis. It had nothing to do with them at the time and would be as interesting to them now as ancient Rome.

what a silly thing to say, people shouldn't learn history if it has nothing to do with them. Your hubris and ignorance truly amaze me.

By the way, who gave you the right to speak for all Thai people? I know plenty of Thai people who ARE quite interested in global history and important world events.

Silly, silly, silly.

Kilgore,

Your logic is flawed, that it is the rights of Westerners to wear Nazi uniforms, and Thai's do not have that right in their own country, that you as a foreigner see their fashion statement as unacceptable to you. I would greatly consider that a racist statement, Thai's do not have the same rights as Westerns, you do not view your statement as preferential treatment to non- Thai's that demonstrate they embrace the philosophy of Nazi racial separation as the master race..

You said it I did not,

You questioned my opinion that I have a right to have, whether it is unacceptable to you is no concern of mine, Whether you sell Pol Pot Burgers in the UK is well within your rights to do so!

Good Luck on your business venture!

Please show me where I said that Thais don't have the right to do anything? I'm sure you know how to use the quote function.

Again, as I can see that you are a slow reader, where did I say that?

Fact is, I did not say that at all.

For the third time; Anyone, anywhere has the right to do anything they want as long as they accept the consequences.

The consequences in this case is that most people in the world will look down on them and see them as idiots.

How can I make that more clear to you?

I'm amazed how you could read that into my posts. I guess it just reflects on your ability (or inability in this case)to read, think and respond clearly and reasonably.

Legal, yes. Desirable, no. But they'll do what they want in any case. I don't think it's so horrible for the Thai youth to be better educated on what those Hitler and Nazi symbols actually refer to and I find it really bizarre that people here would be so strongly opposed to BASIC relief of mass IGNORANCE! It's weird, really. What are you afraid of here? Does it hurt you if Thai youth are better informed on such matters? Do you enjoy the innocent charm of such mass ignorance? I doubt you find that charming in your home country and yes mass ignorance knows no borders. Why charming here? Double standard much.

I had nothing in school about Hitler and the Nazis, and I grew up in a country that fought against Germany, so I really fail to understand why anyone would suggest adding that subject to the Thai curriculum. After all, they simply DON'T CARE about it.

So you are saying that a school's curriculum should ignore any subject that students don't care about?

I gues you could say goodbye to math, science, language, literature and so on. Students need a good well rounded education. most kids don't understand this until they get older. This is why trained educators write school curriculum.

I heard there will be a post of the year, yours might win the award for most ridiculous post of the year. Gee whiz.....

Putting words in my mouth again; but I understand that you're good at that.

I did not say that it would be horrible for Thai students to study European history; I simply asked why they should be forced to do so to satisfy your cultural imperialism.

No school system can educate all their pupils about everything. Asian history is far more relevant to Thais than European history; just as European history is more relevant to Europeans than Asian history.

In the UK, the compulsory history curriculum is almost entirely British history; it is only when history becomes a vocational choice that it expands to cover more global history.

I suspect that the same is true for the US, Canada, Australia etc.

Why do you demand that Thai should be forced to learn our history rather than their own?

Of course, if a Thai student chooses to study, for example, 20th century European history, good for them; and good for a western student who chooses to study Thai history.

Here is a novel idea; everyone study WORLD history!!

Not such a difficult concept to grasp.

Good idea. Let's start in the west. Yeah, like that would ever happen.

I had world history in middle school; in high school I took a variety of world history classes including Asian history, European history etc.

I remember, we even went on a field trip to a Vietnamese Buddhist temple, studied the opium wars, French colonialism etc.

Soooo, don't really know what you are talking about, this was more than 20 years ago.

I'm pretty sure those are toes, not fingers. Why aren't they called five toe shoes?

If you have a lot of bags and such you can just ask the security guy to scan your card and he will open the big gate for you.

The current government has show over and over that they don't care about the constitution. This kind of behavior is just paving the way for someone like Suthep to get the backing he needs to take over.

You reap what you sow.

In case you didn't know Pattaya is not an island

 

Are you for real? There is a HUGE difference between the two. We expect that behavior from a bunch of nazi idiots in the US; if you think there is a real problem then you are clueless. A very small minority of fools exercising their right to free speech which as I don't agree with what they say, I do believe they have a right to say it. That is what freedom is all about.

On the other hand here in Thailand you have nitwits who are using very powerful symbols of hatred and destruction to make cutesie shows and t-shirts and when told that it is extremely offensive they just giggle and say "I don't know."

You are comparing apples to oranges here.

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Kilgore

Why is marching in a military formation, under the White Power banner, in full Nazi uniform in the United States at an "Anti Immigration rally "acceptable" in a country that lost 300,000 of it sons KIA fighting against the Nazi and other during WWII.

Thai youth wearing Nazi T-shirts in their country Thailand, a country that was not involved with fighting the Nazi in that war. is considered more of an affront to Falang's. As we are talking about a very small minority of Thai youth exercising their rights to free speech..Which they have the right to do in their own country and as you stated "that is what freedom is all about"

Are you for real? as my family members fought in Europe in WWII and I as a US Veteran, as such I have earned the right to criticize the Nazi movement in my home country. Your comparison of apples to oranges leave much to be desired, and your ethnocentric logic that it is OK for White Nazi in the US to march in full uniform and be considered just some crazies exercising their (rightful) right to freedom of expression.

That brown Thai's in their own country Thailand, do not have the same rights to freedom of expression, that their fashion statement is unacceptable to you a foreigner in their country!

I do differ with your opinion!

Cheers

As I stated before; of course they have a right to do what they want. But they also need to understand that they WILL be criticized for it; and they WILL be thought of as idiots and fools by the Western world as well as uneducated offensive morons.

However, this is unnacceptable to them. They are VERY sensitive to ANY criticizm and do not want to lose face in the global world.

You can't have your cake and eat it too as they say.

Now do you understand? People have the right to show their stupidity as much as they want but must be prepared to deal with the consequences. That is my point.

Btw, why do you feel the need to point out that Thais are brown? What a very odd racist statement to make

I see them as PEOPLE, not, as you stated "brown Thais." Very odd.

Putting words in my mouth again; but I understand that you're good at that.

I did not say that it would be horrible for Thai students to study European history; I simply asked why they should be forced to do so to satisfy your cultural imperialism.

No school system can educate all their pupils about everything. Asian history is far more relevant to Thais than European history; just as European history is more relevant to Europeans than Asian history.

In the UK, the compulsory history curriculum is almost entirely British history; it is only when history becomes a vocational choice that it expands to cover more global history.

I suspect that the same is true for the US, Canada, Australia etc.

Why do you demand that Thai should be forced to learn our history rather than their own?

Of course, if a Thai student chooses to study, for example, 20th century European history, good for them; and good for a western student who chooses to study Thai history.

Here is a novel idea; everyone study WORLD history!!

Not such a difficult concept to grasp.

There are some people who just don`t get it.

I don`t give a toss about Ghengis Khan or mao zhi tung and his little red book simply because I can`t relate to them and making an educated guess that probably applies to most Westerners. The black death was a natural disaster and did not involve the conflicts and mass murders of innocent people by an evil regime, unless of course you do not consider the Nazis as being an evil regime.

I had relatives fighting on both sides during the first world war, my Dad and uncles fought in the second world war so therefore I can relate to both the world wars. I would be extremely upset and offended if I saw images of WW1 veterans being ridiculed on some crap regalia.

Here is an example for you: if you were to wear a loud tee-shirt with a large printed image of a WW2 Japanese imperial solder on it and was traveling in a south American country, I doubt if anyone would give you a second glance and probably regard you as some sort of tronk tourist. Now try the same thing in China where the atrocities made against them by the Japanese during WW2 still holds painful memories, then see how far you`re get?

We are mostly affected in life by events and images that can be personal to us or that we can relate to. The same applies to the Thais. Do you get it now or how much clearer would you like this explained?

I would agree with you.

A Chechen would be more concerned about Stalin than Hitler.

An Armenian would be more concerned about Turkey than Hitler.

ergo, the Thais don't give a monkey's about Hitler.

As a visitor to Thailand, all of us on visas don't have any right to interfere with them, whatever our opinions. We can say we don't like it, but we shouldn't expect them to give a rat's bottom as to our opinions.

Exactly.

Providing the Thais don`t suddenly dawn on Nazi uniforms and start claiming they are the master race and wanting world domination, then we can moan about it and show our disapproval, even wave our fists at them and jump in the air, but really have no rights to demand that they cease and desist their practice of using Nazi images for certain business advertising and fashion clothing. Exactly the points I have been trying to make, only you explained it much better and easier.

You guys are totally missing the point. Nobody said they CAN"T do it, but if they do they should expect to be criticized for it, and rightly so.

They should also expect to be looked down upon for it and be perceived as fools.

I'm pretty sure even a 5th grader could figure that one out. it's really sad that you can't.

OP its quite the opposite of corruption its their business and we are not living in a communist country they are free to run their business how they want, you are free to take you business else where thats your liberty for the moment. BUT did you ever stop and think about why the double prices exist for foreigns in the first place?? Most "white people" will never get it until its too late. Its dis-heartening to watch. Its especially horrible to watch people over 40 who still dont have a clue despite their age, pointing their fascist whacking stick at people who provide a services to the world!

Agreed. In my country I always charge non-whites more than whites. I even have a scale, one price for asians, another for blacks etc.

Anyone who doesn't look like me should pay more.

If you complain or argue with me about it then you are a fascist

<No event in all of world history............................................, ever had the affect on people so much as during WW2.

Hmmmmmm. I'd say the Great War had more effect, and probably the Black death had more effect than the Great War.

In context, Ghengis Khan was probably worse than Hitler, Stalin and Mao put together for numbers of people killed by proportion of population.

In a few hundred years or so, Hitler will probably be no more significant than Odoacer.

There are some people who just don`t get it.

I don`t give a toss about Ghengis Khan or mao zhi tung and his little red book simply because I can`t relate to them and making an educated guess that probably applies to most Westerners. The black death was a natural disaster and did not involve the conflicts and mass murders of innocent people by an evil regime, unless of course you do not consider the Nazis as being an evil regime.

I had relatives fighting on both sides during the first world war, my Dad and uncles fought in the second world war so therefore I can relate to both the world wars. I would be extremely upset and offended if I saw images of WW1 veterans being ridiculed on some crap regalia.

Here is an example for you: if you were to wear a loud tee-shirt with a large printed image of a WW2 Japanese imperial solder on it and was traveling in a south American country, I doubt if anyone would give you a second glance and probably regard you as some sort of tronk tourist. Now try the same thing in China where the atrocities made against them by the Japanese during WW2 still holds painful memories, then see how far you`re get?

We are mostly affected in life by events and images that can be personal to us or that we can relate to. The same applies to the Thais. Do you get it now or how much clearer would you like this explained?

I would agree with you.

A Chechen would be more concerned about Stalin than Hitler.

An Armenian would be more concerned about Turkey than Hitler.

ergo, the Thais don't give a monkey's about Hitler.

As a visitor to Thailand, all of us on visas don't have any right to interfere with them, whatever our opinions. We can say we don't like it, but we shouldn't expect them to give a rat's bottom as to our opinions.

I agree with you there, same can be said about fools who dare to criticize the USA whilst standing foot on our sacred soil stained with the blood of patriots.

Our opinion that we know what is best for the world should not be argued with and people shouldn't expect us to give a rat's bottom as to the opinion of foreign aliens.

Kilgore Trout

Glad you feel that way. I'm sure then, that you would back my idea for "Pol Pots Burgers" in England. Our motto would be "burgers with a 1/4 pound of pure beef straight from the killing fields."

What happens in England is not my concern, you sell what you want, if it sells great.

But when the OP posted to the issue, I responded with my opinion!

As the last time I was in the states there was a Nazi demonstration marching under a White Power flag in full Nazi uniform, protesting against "Illegal Immigration" in the US on the steps of the state capital in Phoenix Arizona under the protection of the Phoenix Police Department. There was between 75 to 100 Nazi uniformed demonstrators, not a mere drop in the bucket.

Nothing on the OP's video came close to the real danger of Western rising Nazism,. or anything relating to that issue here in Thailand!

I will let you worry about "Pol Pot Burgers" and the English eating and business habits and I will worry about my concern of Nazism flourishing in my home country.

Cheers

Are you for real? There is a HUGE difference between the two. We expect that behavior from a bunch of nazi idiots in the US; if you think there is a real problem then you are clueless. A very small minority of fools exercising their right to free speech which as I don't agree with what they say, I do believe they have a right to say it. That is what freedom is all about.

On the other hand here in Thailand you have nitwits who are using very powerful symbols of hatred and destruction to make cutesie shows and t-shirts and when told that it is extremely offensive they just giggle and say "I don't know."

You are comparing apples to oranges here.