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Today I accompanied a friend to the Philippine Consulate; whilst we were there we struck up a conversation with a Philippine Lady who is working as an English Teacher here in Bangkok. She told us 3 of her children and thier Philippine husbands were also teaching in schools here as well .She said 5 of her friends from the Philippines also worked as English teachers on a salary of 13,000Bhat per month and all of them used the technique of going to Laos to obtain a tourist visa (to work here 60 days plus 30 extension) This Philippine women has been living and working here for the last 5 years, all the time working on 30 day VOA's and she and all her family and friends intend to continue doing so indefinitely . Now I know why we are all having such a difficult time staying here as genuine long stay tourists,(I am 48 and on a Military Pension) and why the new rules have not stopped Flips and their Thai Employers abusing the tourist visa system.

I am glad that the Australian consulate in Manila rejects 99% of the applications for tourist visas going to Australia as 99% of Flips applying are economic tourists just like the ones here working as English Teachers and making life hard for the rest of us.

Soon they will spoil it for the genuine Philippine Tourists and all Philippine passport holders will be given a hard time in Thai consulates because of these cheats and their lazy employers.

The new laws have not stopped the Honest from continuing there activities nor has it stopped the dishonest as it was supposed to have done.

<deleted>! How can you post something like this?

These Filipinos are being exploited by their Thai employers! I know because I knew some of them and they don't really want to stay illegal but there is no choice. Can you imagine 13,000 Baht for an English teacher? And I bet that they are also eligible for what they do and actually most of them are licensed teachers not like some of us farangs who are just hired because we are native english speakers. Their employers are suppose to get them proper visas and work permit and to pay them salary according to Thai labour laws (at least 30,000 Baht for Filipinos if I'm not mistaken). But the employers are not willing to pay that amount and putting these poor souls at risk of imprisonment by working without visa. The new rules has already sent some of these poor souls to their homeland... happy about that?

What the helll are you and your friend doing in Philippine consulate anyway?

great info... Thanks!

Briggsy, you are right. I didn't notice the (2) in Section 7.bis that at least the mother has to be a permanent resident. Is that what you're looking at?

have a friend who was born 40 years ago in thailand. both her parents are foreigners.

she recently got the thai passport without having to go via residency permit first.

born here seems to give you a right to apply for thai citizenship. maybe its slightly more difficult if none of the parents is thai.

what do you mean?

Whilst awaiting more info from Danone, I understand that it is almost impossible for people with no Thai parents to gain Thai nationality. Unless of course you are a Chinese tycoon.

Please correct me if I'm wrong.

no no no... i mean danone sentences are in a way contradicting. according to thai nationality act below:

Section 7. bis. A person born within the Thai Kingdom of alien parents does not acquire Thai nationality if at the time of his birth, his lawful father or his father who did not marry his mother, or his mother was:

(1) the person having been given leniency for temporary residence in Kingdom as a special case;

(2) the person having been permitted to stay temporarily in the Kingdom;

(3) the person having entered and resided in the Thai Kingdom without

permission under the law on immigration.

Section 8. A person born within the Thai Kingdom of alien parents does not acquire Thai nationality, if at the time of his birth, his father or mother was:

(1) Head of a diplomatic mission or a member thereof;

(2) Head of a consular mission or a member thereof;

(3) An officer or expert of an international organisation;

(4) Member of a family, either as a relative under patronage or servant, who came from abroad to reside with the person in (1), (2) or (3).

so, it should not be difficult if you are born in Thailand eventhough your parents are not Thai.

I'm not reading this the same as you. This talks about NOT acquiring Thai nationality. Maybe I'm not very good at understanding legalese. Please help me out here.

just negate the law and it says... if your parents (both alien) are not like this or like that blah, blah, blah, then you can acquire Thai nationality. i didn't know that was hard to understand.

But don't the categories here catch absolutely everybody who is not a Thai national except perhaps permanent residents? This was why I could not follow your comment "should not be difficult". Please excuse my confusion.

we are only talking about the persons who were born in Thailand with alien parents.

l would like to know what happen to system on 30 Dec night. Why flight AY0092 was not display on the sign board? Why the airport staff are not helpful at all? How can a airport than operate for less than 6 mths start having equipment failure?

...corruption

have a friend who was born 40 years ago in thailand. both her parents are foreigners.

she recently got the thai passport without having to go via residency permit first.

born here seems to give you a right to apply for thai citizenship. maybe its slightly more difficult if none of the parents is thai.

what do you mean?

Whilst awaiting more info from Danone, I understand that it is almost impossible for people with no Thai parents to gain Thai nationality. Unless of course you are a Chinese tycoon.

Please correct me if I'm wrong.

no no no... i mean danone sentences are in a way contradicting. according to thai nationality act below:

Section 7. bis. A person born within the Thai Kingdom of alien parents does not acquire Thai nationality if at the time of his birth, his lawful father or his father who did not marry his mother, or his mother was:

(1) the person having been given leniency for temporary residence in Kingdom as a special case;

(2) the person having been permitted to stay temporarily in the Kingdom;

(3) the person having entered and resided in the Thai Kingdom without

permission under the law on immigration.

Section 8. A person born within the Thai Kingdom of alien parents does not acquire Thai nationality, if at the time of his birth, his father or mother was:

(1) Head of a diplomatic mission or a member thereof;

(2) Head of a consular mission or a member thereof;

(3) An officer or expert of an international organisation;

(4) Member of a family, either as a relative under patronage or servant, who came from abroad to reside with the person in (1), (2) or (3).

so, it should not be difficult if you are born in Thailand eventhough your parents are not Thai.

I'm not reading this the same as you. This talks about NOT acquiring Thai nationality. Maybe I'm not very good at understanding legalese. Please help me out here.

just negate the law and it says... if your parents (both alien) are not like this or like that blah, blah, blah, then you can acquire Thai nationality. i didn't know that was hard to understand.

have a friend who was born 40 years ago in thailand. both her parents are foreigners.

she recently got the thai passport without having to go via residency permit first.

born here seems to give you a right to apply for thai citizenship. maybe its slightly more difficult if none of the parents is thai.

what do you mean?

Whilst awaiting more info from Danone, I understand that it is almost impossible for people with no Thai parents to gain Thai nationality. Unless of course you are a Chinese tycoon.

Please correct me if I'm wrong.

no no no... i mean danone sentences are in a way contradicting. according to thai nationality act below:

Section 7. bis. A person born within the Thai Kingdom of alien parents does not acquire Thai nationality if at the time of his birth, his lawful father or his father who did not marry his mother, or his mother was:

(1) the person having been given leniency for temporary residence in Kingdom as a special case;

(2) the person having been permitted to stay temporarily in the Kingdom;

(3) the person having entered and resided in the Thai Kingdom without

permission under the law on immigration.

Section 8. A person born within the Thai Kingdom of alien parents does not acquire Thai nationality, if at the time of his birth, his father or mother was:

(1) Head of a diplomatic mission or a member thereof;

(2) Head of a consular mission or a member thereof;

(3) An officer or expert of an international organisation;

(4) Member of a family, either as a relative under patronage or servant, who came from abroad to reside with the person in (1), (2) or (3).

so, it should not be difficult if you are born in Thailand eventhough your parents are not Thai.

have a friend who was born 40 years ago in thailand. both her parents are foreigners.

she recently got the thai passport without having to go via residency permit first.

born here seems to give you a right to apply for thai citizenship. maybe its slightly more difficult if none of the parents is thai.

what do you mean?

any news about multi non-O in KL?

but let us not forget than each and every consulate have their own version and understanding of the law. some may issue the visa and some may not...

Understanding and speaking fluent thai will not help us getting a visa but is definitely a bonus when dealing with immigration ppl. One thing, no more lost in translation.

My honest opinion is you should get married to the woman you've been with for the last 17 years. You're complaining that you have no security, that you can't live anymore in Thailand. Who's the one who should really complain about no security? That's right, HER. She's been living with a man for 17 years who doesn't have the will to give her a little security back but is all concerned and helpless when he suddenly can't make visa runs anymore.

You should have thought about this a long time ago and then your visa might even be grandfathered and you would maybe only need 200k-400k in the bank account here. Pretty sure you could have saved 400k in 17 years. That's only 2000 baht per month.

If you really care about her and her family, that's the way. But do it quick. If you don't care about them, well i guess its time to go somewhere else.

Have you read the OP? Cha, the woman you're talking about, is not with him for 17 years. As I understood the first who he married (Aw) and had one child with divorced him and went back dancing in BKK. I think this is the reason why he doesn't want to marry again. Once bitten, twice shy...

Dear readers, NEVER EVER, even for a single milli-second, forget this is Thailand; better stated as the glorious "Land 'O Thais". We are NOT Thai, we will never be Thai, we will never be citizens, we will always have minimal rights, face endless restrictions, and will be judged by a completely different 'play book' altogether. It IS their country. Granted their continually moving the goal posts make it hard to keep up. However, the changes in enforcement did NOT magically appear one day and were enforced the same day, at least they gave warning, which is something to be thankful for.

So??? Thailand is not the only place in the world. The OP situation can happen in any country. The difference is, some countries are more humane than others. In the US, a foreigner who is supporting a US citizen can be petitioned to have right to stay. And who said that we are THAIs?

Her life would improve and so would mine, she knows I have no money, she can't take me to

the cleaners if I have nothing .

Marry her and take her (and her son) to your country. But if you want to stay in Thailand to live a family life with her, think again...

No Andy, Thai government says WE MUST GO AWAY... Which I will also do very soon but with my family as well. cheers!

I don't think Thaksin would gamble on bombing Bangkok to gain sympathy. Speculations about "elements of the old regime" being involved reflect on him very badly.

Why? One possible purpose of the bombing is to de-stabilized the current administration. If I were Thaksin, I would be laughing now that I see that the current administration being shaken by the incident. Stock market and businesses also down, hahahaha.... But that if I were him.

Shoppers stay home... This is one good thing!

This is nothing. I had a couple of glass of whisky in China for 65,000 Baht. They've screwed me quite well. I agree with some posts that this crappy mentality of ripping richer folks is from chinese culture...

Any reports on recent trips to KL embassy - success or otherwise getting multi entry non O?

Also can anyone advise how far China town in KL is from the thai embassy? Taxi ride? Any hotel recommendations?

Thanks.

less than RM10 taxi ride but the problem is the taxi driver won't use meter and will charge you RM10 or more.

Oh yeah... I was also asked by the immigration to show my boarding pass. I'm coming from KL and it wasn't a connecting flight.

It is also not known if their treatment would've been different if they were farang instead of Asian.

do you think other asians (non-thai) get treated/viewed by thai immigration with less or more scrutiny than farang when coming thru the border? why?

how do thais treat their lao and burmese neighbors? a thai may call another thai a lao or pama to degrade him... OK, off topic. Sorry...

not all immigration junkies know how to calculate the number of days. besides, they are counting the days manually and can be prone to errors. unlucky farangs get denied and the lucky ones get the stamp.

There is no change on a visa application. You can say marriage (to visit wife) forever when making application for a visa (which seems to be what you have).

The extension of stay over age 50 could be using the 40k marriage provision or the 800k/65k retirement provision and they would be different in time of approval and paperwork. But if you qualify for both you could use either method.

well said. now i can stop crying.

In other post, one farang has been refused for extension of stay because there was no movement of 800K in the bank for a year. So what do we suppose to do with the 800K? Spend it and extension of stay will be refused anyway because no more 800K?

Spend what you need to live during the comming year then top it up to 800k when you apply again next year.

Eventually, 800K may run out due to unforseen circumstances then will be kicked out of LOS. Unfortunately, when that time comes I will be old and will be wondering (with my thai wife) where to settle down obviously not in LOS anymore but in my home country or in other asian countries. I have seen this happened to someone I know... money may run out...

Wherever you chose to live you will need living expenses. Why would your money run out here and not anywhere else?

but not being kicked out...

There is no change on a visa application. You can say marriage (to visit wife) forever when making application for a visa (which seems to be what you have).

The extension of stay over age 50 could be using the 40k marriage provision or the 800k/65k retirement provision and they would be different in time of approval and paperwork. But if you qualify for both you could use either method.

well said. now i can stop crying.

In other post, one farang has been refused for extension of stay because there was no movement of 800K in the bank for a year. So what do we suppose to do with the 800K? Spend it and extension of stay will be refused anyway because no more 800K?

Spend what you need to live during the comming year then top it up to 800k when you apply again next year.

Eventually, 800K may run out due to unforseen circumstances then will be kicked out of LOS. Unfortunately, when that time comes I will be old and will be wondering (with my thai wife) where to settle down obviously not in LOS anymore but in my home country or in other asian countries. I have seen this happened to someone I know... money may run out...

There is no change on a visa application. You can say marriage (to visit wife) forever when making application for a visa (which seems to be what you have).

The extension of stay over age 50 could be using the 40k marriage provision or the 800k/65k retirement provision and they would be different in time of approval and paperwork. But if you qualify for both you could use either method.

well said. now i can stop crying.

In other post, one farang has been refused for extension of stay because there was no movement of 800K in the bank for a year. So what do we suppose to do with the 800K? Spend it and extension of stay will be refused anyway because no more 800K?