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Well the passport office finally rang me and we got no where really as regards a solution. Send us what you have (nothing) and the examiner will take it from there.I put forward the idea of our utility bills which are in the wife's name and providing a copy of our marriage certificate and the non o visa based on marriage which I am on. Nope they don't take utility bills.

He came up with the idea of a letter from my daughters school (yes a private school is somehow better than a utility company) addressed to me (which I will probably write myself).

I asked him if I was a gap year student on the 1st month of a years trip around Asia and lost my passport what would happen ? He then kept repeating every case would be treated on its merits blah blah .

''I would really like [the killer] to be executed in the most painful, cruel, and heartless way, just like what he did to my daughter.''

This proof of residence fiasco makes me so angry. They have absolutely NO WAY of legally checking any proof you can come up with so why bother ? This is Thailand ! The UK passport agency have no jurisdiction here.

I can "prove" that I live in the UK , but I don't.

lol 3 replies and not a single straight answer in there.I phoned the passport helpline on Friday about having no proof of residence and so far nothing.

In passing, I have just received my new UK passport from HK. My one year Non O Multiple Entry visa is in my old passport. Further to the above posts, a couple of years ago, and with a similar visa, I got a 90-day extension to stay in Thailand by doing a visa run a few days before the visa expired but all that was in my old passport.

Would this method of getting a 90-day extension still work if my soon-to-expire visa is in my old and full passport with the 90-day stamp having to be placed in my new passport ?

Talisman

may I ask what proof of residence did you show to get your new passport ?

Any advice from anybody out there how to get around this residence proof problem.Somebody must have been in the same boat as me ?

Easy pick something else off the list in table a, it states you can provide a copy of your visas or residence permit, so you must have a visa or extension for thailand unless your overstaying

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Non o multiple visas have no evidence of address, they are just a sticker in your passport. There is absolutely nothing in my name .

Your thinking too much, the list clearly states you can provide a copy of your visa or residence permit, it doest say your visa has to have your address on it, as stated previously think all they are trying to do is establish your country of residence not your physical address as such

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Ok if some one tells me that a retirement visa or non o extensions dont have your address on them somewhere and people have obtained the passport with no prove of residence other than a non o sticker in their passport I'll drop it.

Have you even looked at the table a list ? A lot of the other items listed wouldn't have your physical address on them either but yet they say they are acceptable as well, you would do well not to question our highly efficient British civil servants, they say a copy of a visa is acceptable so given what they are asking for LOL

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yep they all would have your name and address, which item do you think doesnt ?

Any advice from anybody out there how to get around this residence proof problem.Somebody must have been in the same boat as me ?

Easy pick something else off the list in table a, it states you can provide a copy of your visas or residence permit, so you must have a visa or extension for thailand unless your overstaying

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Non o multiple visas have no evidence of address, they are just a sticker in your passport. There is absolutely nothing in my name .

Your thinking too much, the list clearly states you can provide a copy of your visa or residence permit, it doest say your visa has to have your address on it, as stated previously think all they are trying to do is establish your country of residence not your physical address as such

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Ok if some one tells me that a retirement visa or non o extensions dont have your address on them somewhere and people have obtained the passport with no prove of residence other than a non o sticker in their passport I'll drop it.

Any advice from anybody out there how to get around this residence proof problem.Somebody must have been in the same boat as me ?

Easy pick something else off the list in table a, it states you can provide a copy of your visas or residence permit, so you must have a visa or extension for thailand unless your overstaying

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Non o multiple visas have no evidence of address, they are just a sticker in your passport. There is absolutely nothing in my name .

Any advice from anybody out there how to get around this residence proof problem.Somebody must have been in the same boat as me ?

Could you get get your landlord to provide any kind of document saying you are living in their house that you could use at the embassy to get a letter from them. Perhaps even filling out a TM30 form that is used to notify immigration of your residency and signing it.

Download here: http://bangkok.immigration.go.th/download/pdf/tm30.pdf

link doesnt work

Any advice from anybody out there how to get around this residence proof problem.Somebody must have been in the same boat as me ?

The UK has been issuing letters for new passports applied for via Hong Kong already. They just need a copy of both passports to renew it. Some people have even been able to do it by mail.

Indeed, I was even able to request my letter by email. The Embassy normally require you to visit them in person with your old & new passports, though.

This is my point.To do things properly the Embassy has to be involved so there should be an option of picking your passport up from the Embassy or applying there just like the old days. They are trying to cut corners that cant be cut.

Further some offices require a letter, some dont , and with the new rules around British pp being issued direct from the UK, if a letter is required for thailand, this could become problematic as one assumes the passport office in the UK will not issue these

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But hopefully the Embassy will still issue this letter. In any event, I gather that Immigration are firmly insistent on the letter being issued by the Embassy (meaning that they would probably reject any letter issued by HMPO with the new passport in any event).

How can the embassy issue this letter legitimately if they haven't witnessed /issued the passport themselves ?

It really is an epic clusterfuc_k. How on earth is doing things this way saved them any money ?

I have just spoken with the Passport office in the UK tel +44 300 222 0000

its only 1 pence per minute from skype.....anyway here's what i found out.

- If in Thailand you need to send a full colour copy of your passport...cover to cover....every single page, even the notes pages.

- For proof of address she the guidelines. If you cant get any of the proof needed. You can take your apartment rent receipts to the British embassy and they will write a letter confirming your address. the name on the rent receipts has to match your obviously. The embassy will charge you for the privilege...think is 2000 or 3000 baht.

- The passport form is the same as the UK residents one...just follow the guidelines for completing the overseas application...

I hope this helps people

Thanks for the number but this verify your address is utterly pointless when they could just have the passport sent to the embassy and have you sign for it whilst you are there.

Of course common sense dictates this is the best way but lest not forget the stated reasons for making all these changes - cost cutting, therefore sending your pp to the embassy means you have to employ someone to do the verification which defeats the object of the whole exercise

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yup your probably right.

Cost cutting = charge you for a service your not getting any more then charge you again to re-instate that service.

I have just spoken with the Passport office in the UK tel +44 300 222 0000

its only 1 pence per minute from skype.....anyway here's what i found out.

- If in Thailand you need to send a full colour copy of your passport...cover to cover....every single page, even the notes pages.

- For proof of address she the guidelines. If you cant get any of the proof needed. You can take your apartment rent receipts to the British embassy and they will write a letter confirming your address. the name on the rent receipts has to match your obviously. The embassy will charge you for the privilege...think is 2000 or 3000 baht.

- The passport form is the same as the UK residents one...just follow the guidelines for completing the overseas application...

I hope this helps people

Thanks for the number but this verify your address is utterly pointless when they could just have the passport sent to the embassy and have you sign for it whilst you are there.

What strikes me as utterly bizarre is that for the "name and address" evidence is that documents such as visa, baptismal certificate, medical card and immigration documents are most unlikely to show your current address.

As for a school report and parents' death certificate, how are they even remotely relevant?

As for myself, I don't pay any tax anywhere in the world. I'm not employed. I have no dealings with any government department. I can't vote here. According to that list there's simply no way for me to prove my address. I've faced a similar problem opening various accounts, and for those the only proof I've been able to provide is bank statements from offshore banks, which appear to be unacceptable to the mandarins of the passport "service". I can only hope that the incompetents "managing" this service come to realise that what they're trying to implement is simply unworkable.

This will end up going full circle back to the way it was before.I rang the passport office on the number given earlier and explained there is no way for me to prove residence and they said they will get back to me.But I floated the idea of sending the passport to the embassy and have me collect and sign for it there. This is the very reason no doubt that you had to apply in person at the embassy before so as to make sure the person applying/receiving the passport was in fact the correct person.

No rental contract (lived in the same house for 6 years) and the hassle of trying to get one then going to Bangkok etc and then handing over more money for them to actually do their job. No its relatives for me and will pay the UK fee. How they have the nerve to charge more is beyond me.

I have just spoken with the Passport office in the UK tel +44 300 222 0000

its only 1 pence per minute from skype.....anyway here's what i found out.

- If in Thailand you need to send a full colour copy of your passport...cover to cover....every single page, even the notes pages.

- For proof of address she the guidelines. If you cant get any of the proof needed. You can take your apartment rent receipts to the British embassy and they will write a letter confirming your address. the name on the rent receipts has to match your obviously. The embassy will charge you for the privilege...think is 2000 or 3000 baht.

- The passport form is the same as the UK residents one...just follow the guidelines for completing the overseas application...

I hope this helps people

no receipts here . Absolutely no way to prove residence (on multiple non o visa). think I might just post my passport back to the uk to relatives and take my chances.

And if look at the list providing a copy of your visa will comply with the requirement, no need to send your pp back to the UK

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The visa has no address on it so why would they accept that for proof of residence ?

I have just spoken with the Passport office in the UK tel +44 300 222 0000

its only 1 pence per minute from skype.....anyway here's what i found out.

- If in Thailand you need to send a full colour copy of your passport...cover to cover....every single page, even the notes pages.

- For proof of address she the guidelines. If you cant get any of the proof needed. You can take your apartment rent receipts to the British embassy and they will write a letter confirming your address. the name on the rent receipts has to match your obviously. The embassy will charge you for the privilege...think is 2000 or 3000 baht.

- The passport form is the same as the UK residents one...just follow the guidelines for completing the overseas application...

I hope this helps people

no receipts here . Absolutely no way to prove residence (on multiple non o visa). think I might just post my passport back to the uk to relatives and take my chances.

The child is not old enough, the norm is that the child must be about 7 years olld. But as the law doesn't give an actual age, you can try it if it is an amphur up-country where everybody knows eachother and they know you and that you are the father. But that are really exceptions.

Try it, but expect to be told "no". Simply asked to be recognised as the legal father of the child. Both mother and child must agree to this and accompany you, not just the mother. Having the village headman pleading your case might help. But don't bother to do it this way in a bigger place and certainly not in Bangkok or Chiang Mai.

If refuses, as is likely, your ownly way is to either marry the mother (you become the legal father automatically) or pettion the court to be recognised as the legal father. In the end the court makes a decision and if they agree you are the father of the children you take the court decision to the amphur where the record that you are the legal father.

Thanks.

In this case going to court would be my only option considering that I live in Bangkok and marry the mother is not an alternative?

As I said that would needed in order to get a Non-Imm "O" back in UK given that now they are much more strict on releasing them.

Giving them evidence of supporting the kid (school fee, etc....) would not be enough? is the document from the court the only one they required?

If so does anyone know the exact procedure and the timing to do so?

Thanks in advance!

Info in Mario's post is to legitimize you as the child's father.

Custody can be done at Amphoe with mothers agreement.

It is a bit more complicated. Custody is a wrong term to use in Thai law, better to say parental rights. Custody is more in whose care the child is, a caretaker. It does not have to be one of the legal parrents.

The situation is as follows:

One can legitimize a child in 3 ways, as mentioned before.

- By marrying the mother, and then the father automatically becomes the legal father and also gets automatically parental rights over the child.

- by legitimising the child at the amphur, the mother and/or child can allow the legitimisation, but can at the same time also deny the father getting joined or sole parental rights. In that case the father becomes the legal father, but the court will have to decide over the question if he also will get parental rights.

- the father petions the court to become the legal father, also in this case he can become the legal father with the mother or child contesting him getting parental rightsand the court will judge on this seperatly.

So yes, if he becomes the legal father he will automatically get joined parental rights, unless the mother or child object to him also getting parental rights. Than the judge decides regarding that.

Is there pieces of paper/certificates you get for legitimacy and parental rights ?

Also if you were married (and were the real father) and subsequently divorce do you lose legitimacy and parental rights or is just showing that you were married at the time enough ?

How can I find out what vaccines my children have had and when they will receive vaccines in the future? The wife has lost the books the kids got when they were born . My children are 9 and 10.

In a true free/democracy there should be no need for political parties (gangs). People should be well educated enough to actually vote on individual laws and seats of power should be short term,hold little actual power and be constantly revolving. Also the rule of law is paramount for a democracy and so is the right to bear arms,in my opinion,(no I am British not American), so as the government is not just another brute force gang holding the people to ransom. The citizenry being armed tends to give incentive to actually govern by consensus and fairly.

Only country that comes close to all of these I suppose is Switzerland.

People really are blind if they cant see that villages are run mainly on the "if you aint with us your against us mentality" and to publicly voice a differing opinion if your of low status could seriously not help your career prospects and be downright dangerous.Dont worry about the reds ever getting out of hand, there's always the BIB to keep everybody in line.

Rented car with UK credit card from Avis at khon kaen airport to drive to Chang Mai.One month after returning the car, another 1000 baht was debited from my credit card.Went to see them at the airport and was eventually connected with somebody from head office Bangkok.They informed me, in very poor English, that I had been caught speeding.No proof though and had to take their word for it.

Drugs are not the evil here,the war itself on drugs has ruined more lives than drugs ever will.Why is it the mules get 20+years yet the banks laundering the profits get bonuses.

http://golemxiv-credo.blogspot.com/2011/05/money-laundering-and-drugs-in-romania.html

Fascinating read below and you realise the real reason why drugs will never be legalised.

Narco-Dollars for Beginners "How the Money Works" in the Illicit Drug Trade.

http://www.narconews.com/narcodollars1.html

Yes I agree though the wife and everyone else involved (except the youngest daughter) seems so non fussed about it all.The worst part is that there is nothing I/WE could have done to avoid this situation.

I suspect that the railings are in contact with (or welded to) the re-bar inside the wall.

A pound to a penny that the re-bar is exposed (or near the surface) inside the hole where the old light resided.

Poor housekeeping when the fitting was removed left a live wire exposed.

Getting wet from the rain provided a current path from said live to the re-bar.

QED.

This makes sense and is pretty much what the wife said, but why does the current not travel to earth through the rain and out of interest would it have been costing the neighbour money i.e. causing his meter to spin.