FrankieGoesToHolly

It's no coincidence that @Hummin , @fredwiggy and I are here now.

Look at what I been writing in this thread. Do you see tactics or do you see a good guy? Why would you imagine that I suddenly changed to attack you? That would be quite mad, wouldn't it? If I write something, it is with good heart and good intention. But you automatically fly into a rage and are unable to listen. That's noticeable. Not just by me. I don't ever shy away from being truthful and honest without bias. Trust me when I say that those are the people you want in your life. There is no bias, no tactics, no tricks, no ego... I say exactly what I've seen from you over the years. Even before we ever had a conversation. You aren't ready to look inside to determine if I speak the truth. Perhaps you already know the truth.

Here we go again...raging. Take it easy dude. It's just the truth, You just aren't ready to deal with it. So let's just leave it for now. FYI I wasn't referring to anything between yourself and myself. You just jumped to that conclusion.

I've dealt with a lot of difficult women. Even my mother 😊 The key was in making sense of it all and working behind the scenes. The conundrum is my mind was this person who seemed to hate me, but did everything in her power to support me and more. So difficult women don't faze me at all. Where other guys run for cover, for me it's a walk in the park. That why when @Cameroni insists that you can buy any woman, I just smile. That's demeaning to yourself and the woman. So you end up with resentment, loss of self esteem. Creating a vortex for yourself that you cannot escape. I treat people as if they too have the highest standards. They either love me or hate me for it. Makes no difference to me. Even some of the women selling themselves will have standards. They use the money to help their family. In Phuket Girl's case, for her two kids quite likely. @Cameroni is just the caveat. If he was really a good guy, then there might be a chance of a real connection where he would be part of her inner circle. Then, you are back to sharing and she would protect him like a lioness. The money doesn't buy you love and respect. How you treat them brings that. If you are worthy of respect, they will do that without the money. All this idiocy of checking her phone is just disrespectful and demeaning. Treating her like a little child. If you are going to take up with one of these women and it's just for sex and money, then don't expect them to love you...you aren't worthy.

I thought about addressing your first paragraph about conflicts and tensions and how you deal with them. You didn't take too kindly when I tried it before 😊 But what I noticed is that when you didn't deal with a difficult situation at the time, you raged about it in your mind for a long time afterwards. You point these things out in the hope the person will believe you and perhaps get to the root of the problem. But of course the receiver of the information doesn't always see what you see. But rest assured, everything that I do, has good intention behind it.

It makes no difference to me that they are toxic. It just means that I needed to learn that lesson. I still love and still communicate with them normally, even if they are unable. Doesn't mean that I don't get upset, but it doesn't change me for the worse. I'm just as nice and perhaps even nicer. Rather than succumbing to their state and becoming the same as them. That's a lesson that needed to be learned. So it's okay. You are still here and can still love, learn and grow. Maybe I am the leader of the household, but I don't THINK that way. i just do the best possible, whilst retaining balance, good health and stability. That way leading by example. The woman doesn't need your money, she needs someone she can trust. If the man is wishy-washy, she'll depend on her own advice and look around at others. Men are creating monsters out of women and then complaining about them. No connection other than wanting to have sex with them and giving them money for the privilege. When they meet me, they realise/remember how it should be. Confirmation of their value. Priceless. They see people like the OP for what they are.

As long as you love, you are doing okay. When you start cheating, lying , hiding... you are going to have mental issues. I keep it simple. You can trust me. No more talking nor worrying about it. You can leave me with your children, you can leave me with your money. They are/it is safe. That's my world and those are the people in my world. If you are not like that, you cannot enter. It doesn't matter where I am. It's the same. People leave their kids with me at airports and wander off to do whatever they need to do. How can that be? Because there is a connection. They know...and you know. That doesn't change. it's a constant. So I can find love wherever I go. It's easy. Because I am love. Haters cannot understand. They think it's the world. But it's just them.

How do you lose? I don't ever lose. I share. I'm going to share anyway, so I haven't lost anything. Being with difficult people gave me skills for dealing with difficult people. Being with people who love me gave me the appreciation of being loved. Where is the loss? No have 😊 It's all in the mind. It just gets better and better. I don't see myself as the 'man in charge'. I'm in charge of myself and she's in charge of herself. With those strengths, we take care of each other. She is a person, just like me. Free to make her way in the world, but choosing to walk alongside me.

Understood it the first time...

I learned the hard way. Let go of my ego and allowed myself to accept the truth, however painful. So for myself, it's completely normal to be brutally honest with myself and therefore with others. That way I don't blind myself with egotistical and delusional nonsense. I'm just a normal and nice guy. I don't rate myself in looks nor dress to impress. It's not necessary, in order for someone to love you. It's what's inside that connects with other humans.

...and she is STILL online. I guess @Cameroni wasn't able to convince her with his 'prowess' and negotiable employment contract. All that gloating... how he pleasured her and how she loved him. How could she ever want another man? No doubt he is still trying to find a way to save face. Soon to become even more hateful and mercenary, blaming women for his plight. Failing to see that the reason for his fall from grace was simply not treating women with respect. The same respect you have for your mother, your sisters, your friends... Stop trying to buy women if you want a real relationship. They don't belong to you. If they are looking for money, they are not looking for you. You are just the caveat. It's not rocket science. You know it, but do it anyway. Anyone who has experienced real love knows this. Instead, there was a constant outpouring of utter nonsense with regard to famous actors, musicians, sportsmen... Delusional. Nothing to do with love. The irony of him posting the video of the woman not understanding the joke about Adam and Eve. The guy who left his wife and children in order to shack up with young prostitutes. We salute you for your honesty and hope you will grow and learn from your experience.

This thread was a demonstration from someone who took their principles of business, into personal relationships. Speaking of and treating women as if they were a commodity. Then somehow shocked that they seemed to meet women who are doing exactly the same thing ...treating men as cash cows. Duh!

She's still online....working for sure.

I actually believe that you are serious... so I'll ask you a serious question of probability. What do you imagine, is the probability of her first ever relationship being with a man in his fifties or sixties? You think her parents sold her to him? The likelihood is that she had children when she was young. How many women from up-country have you met who haven't already had children by the time they are twenty four? The girl who followed me at seventeen, already had one. She told me that very day and told what happened to her partner. She cried a lot that morning. I then told her that I had call my girlfriend in Europe and bade her farewell. I called my girlfriend and went to sleep. The next morning, a huge teddy bear was outside my door....and then flowers. I haven't seen anyone, outside a small child, cry as much as when I left. In the street, snot everywhere. That's real. Your Internet P4P is pure commerce. If you are serious about the girl, you are going to have to take on her problems and then some.

But is it true?

Result is the same...paid employment and hidden resentment.

It's a dysfunctional father/daughter relationship.

Rubbish....she could easily agree for you to stay with her in Pattaya. But that would cramp her style. 😊

Why doesn't she simply leave Pattaya and get back to you to discuss things? Then you can travel to Pattaya together to have fun... 😊 She obviously doesn't want to go back to your employment right now.

Two prostitute friends. Nice. She went there for fun and to pass the time until the 20th of February....okay. Likely all true. If she wants to prove otherwise, she will. If she cannot, just move on. Take a deep breath....and try to make some friends without trying to have sex with them. Otherwise women might just view you as a sex pest.

What thing? Going to Pattaya and lying about it. Advertising for foreigners on Thaifriendly and Bumble and quite possibly lamp posts(okay, joking). Commerce. She is renting herself out and you are hiring. That's it. You are simply negotiating now. A girl who loves you, is happy to be with you regardless. But she wants to be in her safe zone, Phuket. Why? You did the relationship thing backwards. Get to know what you intend to stick your probe in, BEFOREHAND.

What proof do you have that she even has a sister....

Weren't you the one who used to post that you didn't like white people?

If she has lied about everything thus far, why do you choose to believe her with regard to not having sex? Ego? Please...outline even a single good reason as to why she is in Pattaya? They are there looking for MEN. Foreign for money and Boy's clubs to spend the foreigner's money. If you were happy to keep her and pay her 20k per month, then why did she not go back? You already told her sorry about everything, but she continued to lie. Now she states that if you move to Phuket, she'll stop selling herself. Are you really this obtuse? Even the sex, it's just you massaging your own ego, with her body. That's why you cannot let it go. You are in love with yourself, in the manner of a narcissist. Everyone else can see it. Two vipers, hissing at each other. You know that she lies and that you cannot trust her....but the ego massage. It has you in it's grip. You are both... not good people. Not straightforward and honest, but the types that find problems to fit their solutions. That's the attraction. Enjoy.

The plain truth is that no decent man in his fifties, would ever have entered a deal to try to have sex with her in the first place. They are a match made in h*ll. They'll both suffer, until they eventually learn.