jasreeve17

Kasit's comments were treason

Since when promising to bloodbath to your enemies is treason?

Plus must go!

Were you drunk?

Plus, I read a detailed article (several actually) by senior Thai academics (of law) stating that Kasit's remarks were. I choose to believe them and not you. As always, it is down to interpretation of law which is controlled by the power politics here rather than blind justice.

As for the second comment, it was in humour, hence the smilie - I'd miss you if you were gone. My world is different from yours because mine accepts people with differing viewpoints...

Won a non-contested race.

Floooding? What flooding?

Don't be ridiculous OP...

Plus must go!

Kasit must go!

Many respected commentators clearly opinioned that Kasit's comments were treason, as you know full well (but choose to forget as per usual...) Because he was part of the illegal army installed government who also hand picked the judges then they wouldn't claim it was treason, would they???

Imagine, your favourite bloke: MrT. If he had said the same words they would have hung him by now.

Lastly, you think the Khymers have forgotten and forgiven? Please, Plus... hundreds of years of history says otherwise.

But, you are funny:

Yellowman said "I will bath in the blood of our neighboring country's PM" - you say: 'oh, it's all water under the bridge...'

Redman said "******" - you say: 'justice must be done, time does not erase a crime...'

I go hairy, and I'm proud.

<br />John can you summarize the costs<br /><br />$1000 USD for cert course<br />5000 baht for WP<br />$125 USD or equiv for Multi Non Imm O 'ED'<br /><br />are there other fees or costs involved?<br />

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cost of cert course is $1495 + accomodations

seems in line with other similar programs

Yes, inline with other business offerings.

Not inline with volunteering...

(Please look at the title of this thread - it is very misleading.)

The bloody recording is a year old dead horse no one pays attention to. Two days ago Kasit and Hun Sen were shaking hands for the photo op at some Asean function, now Chalerm is out to stir the pot.

It is treasonous, he IS hurting the country in his quest to get to Kasit.

Plus, as usual your comments are outragous. (I'm sure you must be paid for sprouting this one-sided propaganda.)

Chalerm was wrong, but he didn't commit treason, under Thai law. Kasit did! As was clearly stated at the time, and since...

Chalerm is an awful guy. In this case, he went against his norm and was honest.

Also, it's a shame our great saviour Abhisit didn't deal with the problem at the outset and get rid of person that said: 'I will wash my feet in the blood of the Cambodian Prime Minister'. Abhisit decided to promote him to foreign minister instead...

Chalerm will always be a disgrace. So will Abhisit and Kasit.

You blinkered folk are pathetic, once again. All three of these Thai, so called, politicians are self-serving, dishonest @$#%%$#@**@!

I hasten to add, I hate religions, especially this one...

a strange admission.... care to explain further?..

....of all religions Buddhism is usually the most accepted by those who dislike religions in general.

Thank you for the opportunity.

But, before I start, I hasten to add that I respect others who have a different viewpoint from my own, even if their viewpoint seems ridiculously naive and uninformed to me.

My first premise is that religions I grew up with (Church of England, Jewish and Catholic) seemed to me, from an early age, as nothing more than a business. However, folk like my grans (one Jewish, one CoE) were happy through their religion, and their happiness made me happy, thus I appreciated that fold could find happiness through religion, and I believe that is a good thing. Any way you find happiness is a good thing (short of murdering, child abuse...).

Year later, after realizing the sexiest and most vulnerable girls were devout religous sorts, and after many one night stands, intense and great sex with such ladies, I moved to Outer Mongolia.

Whilst there I met many Tibetan Mahayana monks. What they believed in didn't 'float my boat', but they were very nice folk with nice beliefs and I liked them. I even wore a nice little red stringed pendant Buddhivista; not out of religous belief, but out of general liking for the people and their ideas - a kind of general commraderie... I spent lots of time with these people, and we got to know each other well.

Years later I moved to Thailand. From day 1, I saw foreigners all around who'd been to a 5 day retreat in India and just kneeeew Buddhism sooooo well... I also saw fantastically rich temples with ATMs at the main gates, then you must pass a shop to buy sheets of guilt gold, then you must put the gold on the elephant, and, then, eventually, you're allowed into the temple to meditate... This reminded me of all the the things I hated about Christianity.

Years later, I realised that it's not the religion itself, but the organized, money making nature of these religions that repulese me.

Actually, I have a lot of time for the basic teachings of all religions. I find history and theology fascinating. However, after eight years I am still repulsed by Thai Therevada buddhism, as I am the vatican and their practices. Money, money, money. Good folk like Buddha and Jesus did not help us, so that a few thousand years later their names could be used to make money...

I, in my 40 plus countries of travel, have never been to a country where religion is so abused as here. Just my opinion. I am open to the idea that I may be wrong...

None the less. My missus spends half the week at the temples (funded by me...), meets and knows many decent folk and she is very genuine in her beliefs. I don't agree with her, but I know she is in a good position to help the OP - hence my offer.

Everybody should be allowed to do or tell what he wants about any religion / believe and the ones who complains should be punished !

A Buddhist with a true understanding of the teachings would not want to criticize another's beliefs and would not mind what people did with the Buddha's image. The point here, though, is it is against Thai law to "insult" a religion - any religion. The government usually makes formal complaints about overseas companies using the Buddha's image in what they consider an insulting way.

Indeed.

Only the true messiah would deny his devinity...

jasreeve, ALL work by aliens requires a WP issued by Labour; it is specific as to what, where, who, whom, etc.

I understand PB, and you are correct.

Working for a well known uni (probably any uni) we just make it a uni project, get signed off from the dean and then it falls under a uni project within my existing work permit. I understand that this is a special case and I was cheeky to sideline the OP this way...

My problem is that the words 'volunteer' and 'pay' should never go together.

If you know this guy / set-up (being from CM) then because you have proven yourself a respected TV member, I'm happy to bow down to your superior knowledge on this issue.

EDIT to add: my uni actually built one of the new museums at Wat Chedi Luang, and I was happy to give my time in support of the students and teachers that struggled to get it off the ground.

The simple answer to the op's question is yes you can.

Never mind where you are in Thailand they will accomodate you.

I agree.

Thais and especially Thai buddhists will go out of their way to accomadate you.

If you want help then please contact me. I won't help you! But, my missus will. She has daily contact with several of the big temples and will be pleased to sort you out an appropriate position. When I say sort out, I mean she will call a few senior monks from temples to help your ordination. They expect nothing from you in return.

I hasten to add, I hate religions, especially this one... But, I respect the view of others and know that Thai buddhists are very welcoming to foreigners.

I worked in sales (international development ) for 20 years.

I have worked in education for nearly 10 years.

I read this as a sales ploy. i.e. they sell TEFL courses to fund their business.

Anytime I want to volunteer, I can, without paying a penny, without breaking my work permit and without changing my visa status. Indeed, I volunteered at the Wat in Chiang Mai earlier this year, via my uni. I paid nothing. My rail ticket from Bangkok, accom and food were provided by the wat / uni - I gave my skills free of charge.

Lines like 'early bird discount' should make you run a mile, IMHO...

So, basically the PM said that he is NOT ready to dissolve the house or set up fair elections... Then he went on to offer up some reasons why.

I voted for Monkfish because it seemed truest to the title and this forum - broken / Thailand. The watch was a nice picture, b&w always seems an 'easy' way to get more impact, but the photo could have been taken anywhere by somebody who has never heard of, never mind visited, Thailand.

My second choice would have been the telphone box 'in the jungle' for the same reasons as above.

Many nice pictures, though.

Thanks Kanwin for your efforts.

The problem is that eventually the students DO reach real-world tests- external, international tests, or in Thailand, company-oriented skills tests (the companies have to have them, say my executive officer friends, because grades and degrees have been rendered largely meaningless by the effects of the very policies we are discussing- they are relatively recent, actually).

It may be my imagination, but I recall several of the "top" Universities also having their own tests for admission. Chaing Mai University comes to mind as well as one of the famous ones in Bangkok. But I could be dreaming. I don't know if they are a general admission requirement. Could have been for a scholarship or something like that. I know there is a standard college admission test. Your point is well made but I would assume money can also get someone in to a good University despite his/her high school "grades" and test results.

The two universities I work at (government) have individual interviews too - which many students don't pass.

I know, for example, at Chula on the international programs you have to pass the SAT test which is very difficult for Thai students (it's an American culture test as much as an English test...). The Thammasart tests are notoriously tough for English courses - TUGET, or something similar; Chula have the CUTEP (or something similar?) which is an easier test, but if you don't pass it then you're not allowed entrance.

Toptuan is a good poster, so I fully believe what he says, and it's possible that the same situation happens behind my back. I'm sure that my head of department wouldn't support it, but once the grades enter that insane admin department...

It's one of those potentially dangerous threads, Hammered...

I like agreement, and middle ground, but some posters in these here parts are less, mmm, giving.

On your last post: I've thought, for a couple of years now, that we need elements of the yellows and elements of the reds to unite and protest for democracy; then there's enough folk for change to come - I reckon there's a fair chance it'll happen after the big event we can't discuss... A split army, less nationalism, merging of 'normal folk' that see past the powermongers on all sides and jointly press for democracy. Ah, beautiful.

Are you discussing Abhisit's recent 'stimulus package' to hand money out to the masses, H90?

Hammered said: 'Im OK with removing good people. I didnt really look at that as it is obvious everyone wants good people. It is just the definition of good varies widely and may actually have littel to do with a text bok definition of good;)

The checks and balances and protection for minorities seem more important and if trying to be positive about the PAD are two areas they could legitimately campaign and do so without any criticism over democratic intent.

I also find it odd that they have never really looked at mechanisms that are perfectly democratic and used in some countries that limit the potential for tyranny of the majority which has been widely debated by democrats over the years. Things like 2/3 to ammend a constitution, supermajorities in a house for votes on certain issues, constittuional changes needing to be passed in every region or say 2/3 of the prvinces as well as with over 50% natioanlly, proprotional representation spring very quickly to mind. Persoanlly I feel the PAD could have a very valuable role in the development of Thai democracy but I just think they always manage to do it so badly and immediately move to extremes rather than looking at the possibilities within the system and perfectly valid ones at that. There was no need to even suggest the 70-30 thing. I know it is not a written in stone thing and just an example but what a bad example.'

My retort: Yeah, the 'good people' line was one I wouldn't have though you'd agree with. It's a ridiculous term for politics - we agree.

I like your checks and balances paragraph - much required in Thai polictics. If the PAD fought for transparency and equality that'd be a good start - agreed again.

Last paragraph, room for more agreement? I hope so : Your points are valid, IMO. Though the reason, I'd suggest, why they don't look for democratic answers is because they use the word democracy as a marketing tool whilst having zero desire to see democracy implemeted. Again IMO, they are a political group who want to have more power for themselves - they're power hungry, and don't care about democracy at all. Some elements do, but not the elements Sondhi controls.

If they were indeed a pressure group who want to help Thailand become a truly democratic nation then I'd fully support them. Even if we forget the past, which is very tough to do, but let's say we can, then how can this fractured block of anti-Thaksinites develop into a functioning and valid opposition party? Very tough... Though it has been done before in other nations. Could it be done under Sondhi's leadership? Of course not.

I can't actually see anywhere for them to go. They were used by the army, and they may choose to continue to play this role; a kind of pressure group for sale. But they are clearly rudderless without a MrT around to hate.

Thus, we come back to my consistent point: to be taken seriously they need to redefine themselves by laying out a clear set of policies that the 'new PAD party' stand for - then they can start again, and maybe be a force in politics. As it is, they're just another powerbroker to throw into the mix - benefits instability and army control, but nothing else.

As for yourself and TAWP saying; blah blah blah but the red shirts blah blah blah...

Please supply a quote where I wrote 'blah blah blah but the red shirts blah blah blah'.

OR

Supply a thread with news regarding reds that does NOT have posts saying 'but the yellows/PAD'.

He who is without sin...

Your first line of your first quote on this thread: the same could be said of the reds... And, I'm not interested in red shirt blinkered posters saying: the same could be said of the yellows...

Let's have a decent discussion about the new PAD party without side-tracking; grown-ups can do that - let's lead the way.

Yes, I agree with all the respondents. It is a nice comfortable custom.

But, no one has addressed my questions:

However, I also asked this question:"What about someone who is physically challenged?" Someone, who for one reason or another, would find it extremely difficult to walk about in a home, without their specially crafted orthopedic shoes?

Would people think a physically challenged person rude for not wanting to take their shoes off when they are visiting someones home?

Or would people find a host rude and insensitive for asking and/or demanding a physically challenged person to remove their footwear before entering their home?

To answer your question: Asian hosts are generous and kind folk. I'm sure that be very accepting of anybody's handicap, within their home. Afterwards they'd clean the tiles, but during the stay they'd want their guest to feel comfortable and relaxed; shoes on, cleaned best one could before entering - no problem at all.

2.1 Support for good people to manage the country and blocking of evil people from coming to power so all sectors of society are ensured justice.

The evil wording is silly and blocking seems bizarre but if it were rewritten as

Support for good peopel to manage the country. Fair and enforcable checks and balances on elected representatives. (Constitutional/legal) Protection for minorites

It would be in line with most democracies. It is really about intent. To be honest a probably quickly worded press release from a protesting group of people really needs to be fleshed out in detail if that group becomes a poltical party. Then again the PAD wont be the only or first party in Thailand to actually have no polices if it pans out that way. There are parties in the current parliament without them! However, to fail to more clearly oputline things would imho undermine any position the PAD party may claim that they are something new. Transparency and clarity should be the first things a reforming party aims for.

I agree with much of what you've written above. Samak had no policies, the PPP had few if any policies, the Dems in opposition to MrT had no policies. It's a big problem here that policies are not part of an election platform, and become quite a hindrance when MPs are finally elected. That's why I'd like to see all political parties flesh out their policies (this isn't unique to Thailand, of course).

But, 'good people' just sounds childish (not from you, but the PAD statement). But, worse than that it's the type of wording that comes from fanatics; 'we're good, you're bad', 'we're black, you're white', 'we're sons of God, you're heathen'... These words create division, they are used to create division, and deserve no acceptance in a democratic society or a society that is trying to develop their democracy...

Thus, I'd suggest that it would not be inline with any democracy. I'm not trying to argue with you Hammered, so let's avoid that road.

I'd say it's just practical - neither cultural nor religous.

Kicking off your shoes when you return home; to relax, keep the floor clean, keep smells outside (don't forget to wash your feet if you need to ), these are pleasantries the world over - part of coming home. If you're welcoming others into your home, why not let them take their shoes off and kick back too; offering some slippers for their comfort.

Lovely. A practicality, like the toilet sprayer, that I'll leave Asia with...