pampal

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Just now, pampal said:

I bought this installed unit at the same time I bought the unit under discussion.

This is the Gas and electric model.

I use a step down transformer as it is 120v.

it has been used for 10 years with no problems even thought it is 60hz unit operating at 50 hz.

 

I bought this installed unit at the same time I bought the unit under discussion.

This is the Gas and electric model.

I use a step down transformer as it is 120v.

it has been used for 10 years with no problems even thought it is 60hz unit operating at 50 hz.

 

4 hours ago, bankruatsteve said:

Crossy, this has me intrigued so hope I'm not beating the dead horse...

 

What if there was a 220v to 220v (or 240v) transformer with a connection to the mid-point.  Would that give the 180 offset between L1 and L2 leaving N with zero?  And, wouldn't that make it isolated?  Not sure what "wave" that would have but maybe not matter?  

I am learning a lot from the questions ur asking.

Thank u

6 hours ago, Crossy said:

 

How, if you have no-one who understands simple wiring diagrams (and there's no circuit protection included in my simplistic schematic)?

 

I fear that there could be smoke and tears in the offing

 

We will test outdoors and test different configurations. If it burns up, I am not worried. I bought it 10 yesrs ago and its been sitting gathering dust. I couldn't care less if it catches fire. I will show ur diagram to an electrical engineer and ask him to tell my electrician what to do.

 

Thx anyway to everyone who chimed in

I will install it and post the results.

 

 

15 minutes ago, Crossy said:

 

Possibly, the issue with using two transformers would be guaranteeing correct phasing, I would file it in "too hard".

 

Also, one of our posters suggesting dropping down two phases of a 3-phase supply. Unfortunately this wouldn't work because the US split-phase supply puts L1 and L2 180^o out of phase, the phases of a 3-phase supply are 120^o apart.

 

If our OP could find the internal wiring of his beast (service manual), we could see how easy it would be to re-wire (it would still need a transformer).

 

You could make my circuit up using a regular 220-110 transformer (they are invariably auto-transformers) rated at 2kVA or so.

 

BUT, as I've noted before, it's not something that I would recommend to a DIYer with little electrical knowledge.

 

Hi Crossy thx for the info

I definitely lack in knowledge regarding electricity

Can u please explin ur diagram in Laymans terms.

My electrician will install it but neither of us understand ur diagram.

Thx

12 minutes ago, bankruatsteve said:

Crossy, is that something sold as a product or would it need to be Crossy'd?

 

Otherwise, if you can obtain the wiring schematic for your appliance and post that would help determine how easy or difficult it might be to re-wire.  And, seeing the washer and dryer are separate units with potential to run at the same time, you do need a 30 amp service.

Thanks u read my mind. A wiring schematic would be great.

Unfortunately both units cannot run at the same time.

21 minutes ago, Crossy said:

You need to do something like this, but truly, if you don't know what you're doing I'd leave well alone.

 

 

 

Thx all for ur replies

This machine does not allow simultaneous operation of the washer and drier unit.

8 minutes ago, lopburi3 said:

 

The problem is 60hz equipment can be made more cheaply and will be subject to overheating if run on 50hz power when this is done (and this is done for just about anything sold in USA as the few cents saved add up and are required in that competitive market).  For an easy to understand overview read section 4 of this link (only a few paragraphs).

 

 

I agree that 50hz motors have heavier windings vis a vis 60hz motors. 

But i have never had problems in this regard.

7 minutes ago, bankruatsteve said:

From that you are simply not going to be able to connect to electrics here unless it is re-wired internally to provide distinctly separate 120v circuits from the 240v.  Just guessing, that may not be a simple endeavor.  Then you would need separate power cords: 1) from a step-down transformer 220 to 110v and 2) from "normal" 220v service.  Ground cannot be connected to the "neutral" as in diagram but to your house ground or it's own stake.

 

My experience with any appliance with electric motor that was designed for 60hz and then run at 50hz has been 100% failure after repeated use.  That includes hair dryer, electric shaver, power saw, and <something else>.  If a washing machine doesn't really care hz, I'm a bit surprised but gotta think a dryer would be much more sensitive.  Whatever.

 

Good luck.

 

Thx for ur input

I have brought many 120v 60hz appliances to countries using  220v 50hz countries

and never had any issues. Mostly fridges and clothes washers.

But i don't discount ur concerns and views.

More pics

 

49 minutes ago, Crossy said:

Yes, most of these machines need 120V (usually the motors and electronics) AND 240V (for the heaters).

 

Unless you know EXACTLY what you are doing there's potential for serious injury (both to the kit and you).

 

You'll need to use a 220 / 120V transformer to create the 120V for the electronics. There's also the issue that one leg of our 220V is near ground whereas in the US both legs of the 240V are 120V above ground, this may or may not upset the works.

 

Get the wiring diagrams for your kit off the net and post them here, we should be able to come up with a wiring scheme that will a. work and b. be safe.

 Hi thanks for ur reply

I added the installation manual as a pdf 

BTW i have 2 of these units and the first one has been working here for 10 years but that has diiferent electronics.

The washer is 120v which i use with step down converter and the 60hz vs 50hz is not an issue for a washer or dryer.

Actually the motor doesn't burn because its working slower and not faster.

Frigidaire Laundry center installation.pdf

Frigidaire Laundry Center Owners Manual FLEB8200DS.pdf

Yes i dont believe that is a major issue, just slower drum rotation and maybe slower drying times.

The problem is how the 240v will be dellivered to the machine.

How to wire it properly?

I like Daikin and in the Chinese brands I like Chigo.

Both are workhorses but Chigo I only see in China.

Hi All

I have a Frigidaire Laundry Center model  FLEB8200DS0 Electric 

 it's combo washer and dryer unit I bought in the US a long time ago

There are 2 models, one is Electric washer and gas dryer

and the other is Electric washer and Electric dryer which is the model I have

My model needs 240v and a 30 amp circuit breaker

As I understand in the US the 240v is 2x120v combined whereas in Thaiand it is not

Can anyone please expalin how to properly connect Thai mains power to this machine?

Any help is much appreciated

Frigidaire Laundry center installation.pdf

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