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Ah Bomber, this is more like it.

^^^^ LOL BN, you really are a wind up merchant, Bomber, LOL.

Anyway hows the weather upcountry?

All my filling in Thailand use the white material and have lasted just as long as ones i had done overseas, are you using a cheap dentist by any chance ?

Is this an anti Thai rant?

I have had white fillings done years ago, 400 baht per filling, they are as good today as the day they were done.

How much time will be spent on such topics as, how to use a spirit level and how to use a plumb line?

Anyway enough of the above, Bob at his best.

Jim ranting against the US establishment....,what a band they were ! the musical tension, rhythm and melody,

I wonder what Jim would say about Trump and Hillary... probably the same- fat cat in a top hat, think he's an aristocrat

BN, I prefer this.

One day seminar, LOL.

When I was leaving school, guys emabarked on a 4 year apprenticeship for trades such as electrician, plumber, joiner, brickie etc etc.

The same guys went on day release to get qualifications such as C&G and Advanced C&G.

From what I see in Bkk, most labourers these days tend to be from Burma, Loas or Cambodia, they are quite happy to work for 500 baht per day, the Thais all seem to want 1,000.

Many of the posts here make it sound like a Dowry (Sin-Sod) in Thailand is some crazy Thai Trick that Thai Women use to screw more money out of you, like a Bar Girl asking for Lady Drinks. Yet they plan to Marry her.

Try to understand this! A Sin Sod is a Thai Tradition that goes back Centuries. It is not some crazy trick invented by the Mother-in-law to screw more money out of the Farang. This Thai Tradition applies equally to a Farang and his Thai Bride as it does to a Thai Man and his Thai Bride. There is no set figure on what the Sin Sod should be just like there is no set figure in how much one should spend in the West on and Engagement Ring, as it depends a lot on what you can afford and how rich they are.

For an Engagement Ring the standard for that is 3 months salary. I know people spend less than that but this is the standard rule of thumb. For a Sin Sod (Dowry) the standard rule of thumb is between 3 months to 5 months salary. But then I think anywhere from 150,000 Baht to 200,000 Baht would be acceptable in most parts and a normal Thai Family. .

Again this is only a Standard Rule. If you were marrying someone more wealthy then you would be expected to spend more on a Sin Sod. Just like you would be expected to do if you married someone more wealthy in the West and was buying an Engagement Ring. See! Same Same! Only Different!

It should also be noted that the Dowry (Sin Sod) was not invented by the Thais. In fact there are many more countries and people in the world who pay a Dowry now then the ones that don't, and like in the West. Most, if not all, Arab Countries pay a Dowry. As does India and also China. I am sure there are plenty more countries but with these countries this takes well over 66% of the worlds population. Here is a LINK about China and there men not affording to be able to pay the $24,000 for a Bride.

http://qz.com/92267/in-a-reversal-of-the-dowry-chinese-men-pay-a-steep-price-for-their-brides/

It is these guys that come here to this threat and boast that they did not pay a Sin Sod, like they are some hero, that is actually sickening. It would be like me going to a Western Form and bragging how I didn't buy my Wife and Engagement or Wedding Ring, but instead used a Bread Wrapper Twist Tie as her ring. You certainly give the rest of us a Bad Name and fully earn my vote as "Cheap Charlie".

For an Engagement Ring the standard for that is 3 months salary.

No offence intended, have you ever been in Thailand?

What standard is that that you refer to?

Engagement ring, heck the majority of Thai dont wear a wedding ring never mind an engagement ring, unless of course you refer to the HiSois in Thong Lor.

then I think anywhere from 150,000 Baht to 200,000 Baht would be acceptable in most parts and a normal Thai Family.

How much time have you actually spent upcountry, 200k baht, thats 2 years wages for your average Somchai.

pay a Dowry. As does India

You forgot to mention, in India, the girls parents pay you.

Looks like Goldbuggy is another clueless Thai expert that visited a couple of times and knows everything.

Just shows me how little you know about me. I have lived here a long time. I have also lived in more countries of the world than you can count. What I have learnt from that is that if you want to get along and in peace you need to follow there rules and customs. Or as they say: "When in Rome, do what the Romans do.".

This is not New York, or Frankfurt, or Sydney, or London. This is Thailand! So if you are marrying a Thai Woman here you should follow her custom here. If you can't do that or follow the rules here, then go back to London as you don't belong here.

Personally I don't care what you do or what you do with your money. If you want to be a Cheap Charlie so you can sit at the bar in the morning alone and drink more beer then fine. You don't have to try and justify why you are a Cheap Charlie to me. Nobody cares! Including me!

"When in Rome, do what the Romans do.".

Thank you couldnt have summed it up better.

However its not us you need to convince, its Little Lek and her family upcountry.

If Little Lek chooses to marry a Roman she should at least respect his culture, she is now involved in a cross cultural relationship that involves compromise and give and take on both sides.

If she has the Thaiway or Highway attitude, perhaps she should marry a Thai.

(oh sorry she cant, no decent Thai guy from a regular family wants anything to do with her).

Personally I am glad I didnt dump my farang values in the bin at London Heathrow before leaving, in fact the longer I stay here the more inclined I am to believe I am correct.

Not only that I actually meet Thai people who agree.

If you want to drive drunk, do so.

If you want to drive with no license and insurance, do so.

If you choose to spend your money on whisky and lottery tickets, do so.

If you choose not to educate your kids, have at.

If your pension plan includes selling a daughter, have at it.

If you choose not to have health insurance, please do so.

Just dont expect me to buy into (no pun intended) your way of thinking.

I dont need to fly half way round the world to meet these sort of people, they already exist in farangistan, you may know them as White Trash or Trailer Trash.

You don't have to try and justify why you are a Cheap Charlie to me. Nobody cares! Including me!

Whoosh, I can see in all your time here its went completely over your head, its nothing to do with money, its about respect and lack of, its about being treated like a mug.

If you choose to be a cuckold, have at it, nobody cares including me.

Farang I know got shoit of his mrs for not wai ing her ex (Thai) husband.

The same guy she said was nothing more than a wife beating alkie womaniser.

In all your time here you will have sussed out, you wai up the way, not down, if anything the ex husband should have waied the farang.

Never mind, next please, the airport is full of mugs arriving everyday only to keen and eager to believe the BS these girls and their families pass of as Thainess.

As they say here, up to you.

Many of the posts here make it sound like a Dowry (Sin-Sod) in Thailand is some crazy Thai Trick that Thai Women use to screw more money out of you, like a Bar Girl asking for Lady Drinks. Yet they plan to Marry her.

Try to understand this! A Sin Sod is a Thai Tradition that goes back Centuries. It is not some crazy trick invented by the Mother-in-law to screw more money out of the Farang. This Thai Tradition applies equally to a Farang and his Thai Bride as it does to a Thai Man and his Thai Bride. There is no set figure on what the Sin Sod should be just like there is no set figure in how much one should spend in the West on and Engagement Ring, as it depends a lot on what you can afford and how rich they are.

For an Engagement Ring the standard for that is 3 months salary. I know people spend less than that but this is the standard rule of thumb. For a Sin Sod (Dowry) the standard rule of thumb is between 3 months to 5 months salary. But then I think anywhere from 150,000 Baht to 200,000 Baht would be acceptable in most parts and a normal Thai Family. .

Again this is only a Standard Rule. If you were marrying someone more wealthy then you would be expected to spend more on a Sin Sod. Just like you would be expected to do if you married someone more wealthy in the West and was buying an Engagement Ring. See! Same Same! Only Different!

It should also be noted that the Dowry (Sin Sod) was not invented by the Thais. In fact there are many more countries and people in the world who pay a Dowry now then the ones that don't, and like in the West. Most, if not all, Arab Countries pay a Dowry. As does India and also China. I am sure there are plenty more countries but with these countries this takes well over 66% of the worlds population. Here is a LINK about China and there men not affording to be able to pay the $24,000 for a Bride.

http://qz.com/92267/in-a-reversal-of-the-dowry-chinese-men-pay-a-steep-price-for-their-brides/

It is these guys that come here to this threat and boast that they did not pay a Sin Sod, like they are some hero, that is actually sickening. It would be like me going to a Western Form and bragging how I didn't buy my Wife and Engagement or Wedding Ring, but instead used a Bread Wrapper Twist Tie as her ring. You certainly give the rest of us a Bad Name and fully earn my vote as "Cheap Charlie".

For an Engagement Ring the standard for that is 3 months salary.

No offence intended, have you ever been in Thailand?

What standard is that that you refer to?

Engagement ring, heck the majority of Thai dont wear a wedding ring never mind an engagement ring, unless of course you refer to the HiSois in Thong Lor.

then I think anywhere from 150,000 Baht to 200,000 Baht would be acceptable in most parts and a normal Thai Family.

How much time have you actually spent upcountry, 200k baht, thats 2 years wages for your average Somchai.

pay a Dowry. As does India

You forgot to mention, in India, the girls parents pay you.

S6, heres another, get downloading, LOL

http://bigozine2.com/roio/?p=2878

S6, head over to this site and get this downloaded.

http://bigozine2.com/roio/?p=2883

This song kills me, utterly brilliant.

Dunbar music festival, blues, folk, proper beer.

PS SC, did you ever offload your flat in Tollcross?

^^^^ a legend arrives, would that be a Brexit or not?

Anyone know a Thai version, Somchai Somcahi?

The late great Arthur,

One of the few West Coast bands I could get into.

BN, rgs reading The Viz, and why have HW been utter shoit since 1979.

PS my upcountry friend, why the heck are you posting a link to the ugliest man is the musical industry?

To add on, the phrases I'm looking for are meant to be flattering and used to describe a virtuous person.

Riap roy, may well be the phrase you seek.

Every Thai knows what the phrase means.

Anytime I have used it, have been given a wai and a khop khun ka.

I am glad to read that I'm not the only moron who didn't pay sinsod.

So......you agree that you're a moron. Really shouldn't be so hard on yourself.

Oh LOL hilarious, says the guy who doesnt even live here.

Just another FIFO.

Thai lady deserves a dowry of 100,000- 300,000 baht. A dowry of a million baht for an uneducated lady of modest means is just ridiculous. Thai dowry prices fall drastically if your bride-to-be has been previously married, already has children, or is not a virgin anymore. In fact in most of these instances, no dowry deserves to be paid.

ladyboy you do not pay for

Talk to the Thais, the going rate is 10 times her salary.

EG, if the girl earns 30k baht paer month, the sin sot will be 300,000-400,000.

Not mentioned, the girls mother doesnt get to keep it.

Geographical Warning, the above is for Bkk only, what happens upcountry is up to you.

Love reading the replies from the Thai experts, who in all honesty cant speak a word of Thai, have never been involved in negotitaions, and just paid up.

How many of you have actually been involved in the process?

Not so long back the Buffalo Special rolled into town at Mor Chit, khun por and khun mair rocked up with Issan silk in tow to wow the prospective brides parents.

I sat as the dumb farang as things were being thrashed out, wais were given and recieved etc etc etc, but no one got to the point.

I was asked what I thought, I said no need for sin sot, if you truely love this girl, keep your money, spend it on an education, then after you have landed a decent job, you come back and talk to me.

Big, "oh lors" all round.

Somcahi has never been seen again.

Little Lek finished her Uni and got a job starting at 25k baht per month, now earns about 50k per month.

She in now engaged to some guy earning way more.

Had to take a trip to Lower Suk today, had really forgotten what a zoo it is.

This song about sums it up.

I ate in Carl's Jr once. Was like eating hot oily mud.

If I want western food, I go to Chequers in soi 4. Great quality and value.

Personally I prefer Jools.

Cant stand the up themselves farang clientele of Chequers.

Not talking about the blow ins and tourists who know no better.

Jools used to be notable for huge portions of decent food at reasonable prices. Is this still true? It's been a while since I last went there.

The upstairs dining room was always a peaceful and relaxing place to enjoy a meal. The downstairs bar area seemed populated by a closed group that did not make intruders feel welcome.

I especially remember the huge bar chair, throne to the equally huge onetime owner.

No offence meant, I can only assume its been years since you were last in the place.

Upstairs correct, always been that way.

Big D has been gone for years.

You also forgot to mention the huge goblet reserved for freeloaders who were quickly sussed out.

Back in the day when KF and MS had it, those were the days, prior to that do you remember The White Rabbit in Nana?

You should also remember Big Spence®, LOL, what a guy.

You will be happy to know Stan still frequents the place, The Last Man Standing, LOL.

^^^^, for our American based readers and contributors, it may come as some surprise, there are some Brits who dont even know what the word Yid means.

Best you take that to the bank, or take it up with the good general.

Thats a great job you are doing, do you have a firefighters license?

Peter Gabriel summed it up years ago.

"The eyes of the world are watching you now"

^^^ her achievements, havent read Moore.

Wasnt this the same Iron Lady who knew about and covered up kiddie fiddlers?

The same woman who called Mandela a terrorist?

Mandela united a country, The Milk Snathcher tore one in two, its divisions are still felt to this day.

When will the South Yorkshire Police ever be held to account not only for Hillsborough, but their behaviour during the miners strike?

Never mind her "idiot bastard son" Blair pick up the torch and ran with it.

PS, not embittered left, UKIP man myself.