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I know this has been asked many times before but:

If living in Thailand on a retirement visa with re-entry permit (CW office) then I take a trip outside Thailand...on return to Thailand , do I need to go to Immigration to file a TM 30 within 24 hours?

Even though address etc not changed? 

I can only relate my own experience. Last June (2018) I moved from Pattaya to BKK. Same as OP on retirement renewal.

To cut a long story short: CW expected me to submit the TM28 and TM30. Documentation is required and depending on the IO you are dealing with and the circumstances the Landlord may also need to attend at immigration.

I have receipts for both TM 28 and TM 30.

Important to have these receipts which I keep with my passport. OP says he has an efficient condo office, so if they can provide him a TM 30 receipt from immigration then no problem.

I did my annual extension at CW and do the 90 reporting  by post.

6 hours ago, attrayant said:

 

What was source of the aggravation, do you remember?  Since the TM30 is filled out by somebody who won't even be with me (and it will likely be filled out in Thai), I'm not sure how I'll be able to account for its contents.

 

The supporting documents are a copy of the housemaster's ID card and copy of his house book.  Originals not needed.   I don't know if these copies need to be signed, so I'll have two of each - one signed and one not.

My experience: I had been led to believe that at CW I did not need to have the supporting documentation that you mention.

But when I went there I was almost shouted at and told to provide the documentation and complete the forms in detail. You have it seems what is needed so you ought to be ok. 

Remember right or not a tenant is sometimes being foisted with the obligation associated with TM 30.

I can only relate my experiences; others may be treated differently.

Be careful as some have experienced aggravation on the issue of properly submitting TM 30 and supporting documents. Also TM 28.

7 minutes ago, Sheryl said:

 

 

I also leave the country a lot and have to make a ridiculous number of TM30 reports each year. This is what I do.

 

 

So which office do you report to? Is the TM30 needed for all offices including CW or just Jomtien?

OP: So can you confirm what was stamped into your passport? Any mention in your passport of going back in 3 months? or just the 1 year extension?

As far back as June, CW asked me for this form.

So does CW (BKK) immigration expect such reports from those on retirement extensions who travel abroad and have re-entry permits?

The OP waited 7 hours and more and I am wondering if there is some ways to ease the boredom of such a wait.

Now seems to be the case he must appear in person to get his ticket to be seen but after that there is no obligation for him to remain until his turn is called, right?

And if for example he is number 472 and they are only on number 72 then its likely the wait will be around 4 hours+ or so...correct?

is there somewhere he can go nearby which is more comfortable that inside the concrete jungle? if so where?

Could an arrangement be made for someone to let him know when its near his turn, so he can go to relax somewhere nearby until his number called..?

Does anyone know if there is some fast track procedure?

What are the best days and times to go which might avoid waiting around all day?

Any other suggestions..?

In June my passport was stolen and with other problems I asked Trendy and the passport office in UK if they could expediate receiving my new passport. From the day I put in my application to the day my new passport was in my hands was 6 days.

Previously used my BB Visa debit card for ATM withdrawals and on line purchases. Now with the Union Pay use the latter only for ATM withdrawals but use the  VISA credit cards issued by BB for on line purchases etc.

As soon as the credit card purchase arises on my internet banking i can pay it immediately so no interest charges.

It's less convenient than previously but used to it now...

Yes well I accompanied my friend to CW immigration yesterday. It was decided he would go in person with my assistance as he uses a walker and is currently in severe pain despite taking pain killer medication. He had the form 28 together with evidence of his new address. We were sent to the 90 day report section.

After waiting almost 2 hours our number was called. When the purpose of our visit was known we were directed to a side cubicle.

My friend was then the victim of a very strong tirade about why he has not filled in form 30 together with another form and he was in effect cross examined about why the Landlord had not accompanied him.

It was quite distressing to see my friend treated in such a manner.

He was also scolded for not bringing a photocopy of his passport.

As it happened my friend is staying in a serviced apartment of a hotel group under a 1 year contract.

I would warn anyone changing address in BKK to heed the above as it was an unpleasant experience.

My friend has an O visa , renewed, and is retired staying in Phuket. He now tell me he wants to move to live in Bangkok soon. Which form does he need to provide to Thai immigration after moving to Bangkok?

Apart from the form does he need to show any supporting documents to Immigration apart from his passport?

Does he need to go to Cheungwattana to do the change of address or is there a more centrally located office where he can submit the form in Bangkok? 

Can I take the form and his passport on his behalf to do the address change as my friend has mobility problems?

Thanks.

Soon to move from Pattaya to Bangkok; on long stay (retirement). In Pattaya Form 28 needs to be submitted to immigration with new landlord in attendance and various documents provided.

I have read that in BKK immigration (CW) no such requirements necessary. Just Form 28.

is that correct? Any current knowledge as to recent practices in BKK for doing the change of address there?

Thanks so much for any advice!

Its' also an invasion of privacy- in effect -giving information about a persons private detail to all and sundry.

Totally thoughtless and probably done to save on paper without regard to anyone's rights.

There is a long stay establishment/hotel in Pattaya that does the same using records of other guests' stay on one side of the paper which is then used to print out invoice to guest when paying bills.

The guest stay records reveal the full name and other info about the guest, how many persons stay in the room plus extra charge for over night visitors etc...

TiT. 

I was at Jomtien this morning-5 Feb 2018- for retirement visa extension and was handed the forms both at the ticketing counter and at the extension desk which I completed within a minute or so and despite it being a Monday there was no one ahead of me in the queue.
Total time in the place, about 5 minutes.

I return tomorrow to collect my passport.

Well done to Jomtien Immigration for treating those on retirement extensions speedily!

30 minutes ago, BritTim said:

They want to check that the balance has been over 800k for the entire last three months. Two snapshots (a day in October and one very recent) are not sufficient to demonstrate this. They need a full statement for the last three months, and a deposit (or withdrawal) followed by a bank book update is the easiest way to achieve this.

Surely a fixed deposit account book will show the initial deposit and then show if that deposit 3 (or more) months later has remained the same. The bank book would show if any reduction during the 3 month period. if no entry can take it no reduction.

If the bank book is accompanied by a confirming letter from the bank stating the 800,000 in the account unchanged for 3 months there ought to be no problem.

Incidentally the requirement is for 800,000 baht to be in the account for 3 months. If that provision is satisfied then-assuming all other factors being satisfied - it might difficult for immigration to refuse a renewal.

I was involved in doing a change of address in Jomtien Immigration recently (the side entrance section) and the official there was telling a person ahead of me that a TM 30 is needed anytime someone leaves Thailand and returns; the report needs to be filed within 24 hours.

The inference being no matter if someone  leaves Thailand for just a day or less, the report still needs to be submitted within the 24 hour period.

No mention made if someone is simply  travelling around Thailand without leaving the country.

Note I am just relating what I witnessed first hand.

So Love Thailand: are u saying that someone on a retirement extension with reentry permit who leaves and returns to Thailand must notify immigration under tm 30?

12 minutes ago, OMGImInPattaya said:

UK national policy isn't made for the benefit of expats...it's made for the benefit of 98% of UK citizens who live in the UK, who voted for their freedom, which is priceless.

It will soon be dawning on those 98% that the enormous rise in the cost of living and their decreased standard of living is  far from a vote for freedom!

I assume another way to avoid or delay filling in the form is doing the 90 day report on line (for those who have on line reporting available).....

Yesterday 5th June I was invited by a thai friend to visit HTMS Chakri Naruebet. An aircraft carrier vessel which is moored at the dock within The Thai navy museum in Sattahip. A drive of about 1 hour or so from Pattaya.

The vessel so i believed was open to all the public.

Necessary to provide proof of ID before getting onto the vessel. So as a foreigner i brought along my passport.

On arriving at the museum we went to where the vessel was docked. An official was at the boarding point screening people and I could see that there many people, including Thai families already on the vessel.

However when the official saw me it was made clear to my Thai friend that as I was non Thai I was not allowed onto the vessel as it was still in active service and we were turned away.

What a waste of my time!

This is just another example of the continuing and growing discrimination against foreigners in Thailand; be it for new unfair immigration requirements, land ownership, price discrimination and so on, etc etc.

There will surely come a time if not here already that most of us who contribute a lot financially to the Thai economy and to the well being of the people here will say enough is enough and look elsewhere to live.

Am I correct or not?