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1 hour ago, xylophone said:

Yes indeed........although there may be a few who need to get back here for family and business reasons, but apart from that, the days of having to "jump through hoops" to appease ill-thought-through TAT and Immigration regulations have pi$$ed too many off, so not likely to be a rush.

 

Besides that, in Oz and NZ "come the end of the year" it will be summer time so better to stay where they are.

Don't underestimate Thailand's allure to many.

I went through a period of smoking pot when I was younger. It made me lazy, irascible, and distorted my thinking in a dark way for days after I'd last had it. It's not as benign as people say, and is as habit forming as booze or cigarettes. 

Tourism is stuffed all around the world. 

3 hours ago, mickyr55 said:

I was underage drinking 50 years ago managed fine without electronic anything,  just saying, will it make any difference? I think not.

Yeah I get that, but 50 years ago we didn't have to carry ID around. I'm tall, so I used to get away with it too. Thais do, so easy to detect underage drinkers on the door of a venue, but not online. 

If he still controls the military, he still controls the country. 

If I were an underage drinker, I'd buy all my booze online. In Australia, they just leave it on your doorstep if you're not around. 

The WHO is on China's payroll, judging by their handling of the coronavirus. 

Freedom from Political Correctness 

22 minutes ago, Kerryd said:

 

The ONLY place subs would be effective is off the West Coast (Andaman Sea) as that is the ONLY area where they could submerge deep enough, and have enough room, to avoid detection and be able to escape (or try to).

Modern subs can dive to depths of 300-500 meters. A few can (or have) gone deeper but the average ones seem to operate within the 3-500 meter range.

The Gulf has an average depth of 58 meters. Yes, obviously a sub could submerge there but it could NOT operate there as it would be quickly and easily detected, then sunk.

One trick subs used to use was to dive below the "thermocline" to try and evade enemy sonar. The change in water density reduces the effectiveness of sonar, making it harder to detect a sub, especially if it's running "quiet".

The thermocline in a normal ocean is around the 200 metre depth. No coincidence that most modern subs are designed to dive deeper than that eh ?

Obviously, there wouldn't be any noticeable thermocline in the gulf. The deepest the Gulf goes is a mere 85 meters.
It's likely subs wouldn't dive deeper than 40-45 meters most of the time. The areas where the depth is greater probably aren't that extensive so they couldn't count on spending much time in 70-80 meter depths, which wouldn't make a lot of difference to a sub hunter anyways.

(And no, they don't try to "hug the bottom" or scrap the barnacles off on the rocks like they do in the movies. They'd end up sinking themselves doing BS like that. )

I was posted to a helicopter squadron back in the early 90s. They specialized in hunting/killing subs (no, they didn't have any actual kills as there really hasn't been any sub warfare since WW 2).
The idea of tracking a sub in shallow waters would have had them giggling like schoolgirls. They usually practise against American subs and the few subs (4) that Canada has, in the deep waters and around the islands on the West coast of Canada. (That is, if Canada's sub fleet is ever out of dry dock.)

 

Interesting post.

The Gulf of Thailand is out then, but then again mostly friendly countries border it - with the possible exception of Cambodia, which has an insignificant navy and air force anyway. Perhaps Thailand's superiority would be a differentiator, so that a submarine in relatively shallow water would be unlikely to come under attack?

As you said, the Andaman sea is much deeper, so perhaps the intention is to use submarines to protect from an attack in that direction?

9 hours ago, ThailandRyan said:

Thats the age old adage of "Well Johnny has one so I need one". Once again spoiled brat attitudes from the Navy who have an aircraft carrier collecting dust. The Airforce with its Blimb and no its not the Goodyear Blimp for flying over races or sporting events.

I think that's how national defence works. If other navies have them, so should ours. Most countries do the same. 

1 hour ago, Ireland32 said:

Because it’s not DEEP enough Einstein 

What depth do these submarines need to operate? The Gulf of Thailand is 50 to 85 metres deep, with the Andaman and South China Seas much deeper. The Yuan class submarine draws 6.7 metres square. 

Making more sense now, brains?

1 hour ago, rott said:

No need to associate with them if you don't want to. 

But the world has many low grade people so they are difficult to avoid. 

Tedious I agree. 

Hard to avoid them, when all of Thailand's nice places are packed out with package tour groups. 

8 hours ago, GAZZPA said:

Just because some scientists have a different view doesn't mean the majority are divided does it

That's the very definition of a divided opinion. There are many instances in scientific history where the dissenting voices were right.

Many experts agree that Covid is dangerous, but many disagree. Journalists, needing a story, only report on one side. Politicians, afraid to admit they're wrong, perpetuate their disproportionate response. 

Learn how to think and question the mainstream narrative and hysteria induced codswallop, rather than closing your mind. You might surprise yourself. 

30 minutes ago, GAZZPA said:

???? Is that the best you can do? Of course it is a conspiracy theory, David Icke makes a living selling this guff... He believes he is the Son of God and the world is run by Lizard people...

 

Yes there are some scientists that may disagree but the vast majority do not and the vats majority are working on a vaccine and coming up with ways to tread the fine line between supressing the spread and stimulating the economies.

 

Hopeless assumption from you saying I read the press and believe everything I read, very lame. I read, yes, the same as you do and i form my own opinions... 800,000 people dead is a fact.. David Icke is not in any way factual. Even if I were to be called a sheep I would rather listen to majority of the scientific community then David Icke. When this all blows over and ends i will try to remember to message you and ask to explain how is it things have returned to normal, no Lizard people have been caught and nobody has been arrested for this incredible global conspiracy that YOU somehow think has been coordinated,,, there must be millions of people in all countries all over the world that are in on this conspiracy,, and you think this is plausible.. ????

So do a bit of your own research then. You'll find that scientific opinion is divided, as it often is. Why would that be, if this were just a conspiracy theory? Surely all the scientists would be in unanimous agreement?

Laughing and sneering as you are, sensitive when your assumptions and slavish adherence to conventional wisdom are threatened.

I've no idea who this David Icke person is either. Think for yourself, even if it makes you feel uncomfortable, rather than behaving like an obedient small  child. 

2 hours ago, GAZZPA said:

Are you part of the David Icke fan club? think through what you just said..

Who started thisracy  so called hoax and why?

How and when did all the global political leaders conspire together to plan this global hoax?

How did they convince all the virologists, scientists and doctors to go along with it? 

What did the 40,000 people die of in the UK in just over 3 months (certainly not the flu in those numbers)

 

I am getting tired of all the silly conspiracies, if you have any answers to the above simple questions then please do so, if not keep your nonsense to yourself, you don't convince me or any other free thinking person who can anaylse the facts. 

 

It's only a conspiracy theory if scientific opinion is not divided, but it is divided. For each scientist who thinks that Covid is dangerous, there are others who think that it isn't. Science is not in agreement, so it's not a conspiracy theory because eminent people are on one side or the other.

I'm calling it a hoax because the media and politicians are only representing one side of this scientific debate and are amplifying panic when proportionality should instead be exercised. You believe all you read in the news, which portrays just one side of the debate because journalists need a good story, and panic is a good story. You're a bit like a sheep, following the herd. Try to think for yourself.

3 hours ago, SteveK said:

It's been how long now, 6 months and people still can't travel because of a flu virus? Hands up anyone who knows anyone who had it. What a shambles, I can see this dragging on for years, but then I guess that is why China manufactured the virus in the first place, because it contains an artificial genotype.

My sister in England knows someone who had it. All they had was a cold and felt tired for a few days. It's an overblown hoax. Politicians all around the world will never admit that they were wrong, so all they do is prolong the lie that it's more dangerous than it is.

On 8/27/2020 at 9:14 PM, Mavideol said:

 

if the numbers he indicated are correct (I doubt) still a contraction of around 7-8 percent.... wishful thinking

Thailand will bounce back. It always does. It's fundamentally successful, its people work hard, and it has a robust, export led economy. 

Quite unlike the western world, which closed down all its manufacturing industries and gave all its money to China.

22 hours ago, jojothai said:

Cherry picking.

Why dont they stop this drivel and simply announce that the only people wanted are those who will spend a lot of money, and set a minimum amount.

That's a good thing. Thailand has been swamped with low grade tourists for too long, and will become much nicer with fewer of them. 

On 8/27/2020 at 6:20 PM, Jimbo2014 said:

unless you refer to the covid lockdown - which the vast majority of Victorians support.

Who says? You read that in the news, and believed it straightaway, right? Opinion polls always seem to be wrong these days, haven't you noticed?

Most Victorians I know think that the house arrest that they're under is disproportionate and is killing their way of life.