jayjayjayjay

She only wants freedom of movement so the majority actually end up in the UK rather than Germany!

If they keep allowing poor countries into the EU then they will continue to have economic migration which is not really what it was intended for!

I have a lot of work with Bulgarian companies. They have complained bitterly the last two years that 2million people have vanished since entering the EU. I guess in the longterm it is good for the poor one, but not so good for the rich.

That's right they have absolutely nothing. I tell you what we do have. A massive storm of young kids be tortured to confess to something they didn't do. How about we investigate that. How about we look for more potential killers. Why have the police closed the case when there is NO EVIDENCE these kids committed murder. None. Why are the Thai police so quick to close the book on a murder investigation when they have no proof. These are the questions that need answering immediately.

We have to add

Why do the Thai police not investigate other "hot" suspects? If only to proof they are innocent

And how do you know they have not been investigated! Are you part of there workforce? Enlighten me.

Here's your enlightenment:

The Thai police published every detail right or wrong important or not.

So you can be sure as hell if they were investigated and found innocent police and they would be singing it from every rooftop. In particular after so many make no secret of their suspicion and ask for investigation in public.

The internet is a public arena overrun by CT types. I have not problem with debate, but I detest idiots recommending carte blanche boycotting of an island with many livelihoods at risk. I love this country, I know it is not perfect, but I will wait until court proceedings expose either truths or lies. It is healthy that we have a Scotland Yard observer on hand, and I believe he will not be shackled or shy to express his opinion, which will be one of an international flavour. But, to those who hate everything Thai and express it with vigor, I will stand up for my home. I will not support blind lies, planting of evidence or corrupt payments to protect the influential, but at the same time I will not accept unproven hearsay as fact. In the mean time, I hope the operators of good guest houses and hotels recover, and that the families and friends of these young adults get good quality justice.

And their retracted confessions don't make any sense. We all know you get a reduced sentence if you confess. Why would the boys retract knowing if proven guilty they its life or death. Again that doesn't make any sense. The only people a confession helps is the police who are doing a terrible job. Let's leave the confession no confession out for that reason right there.

SEMEN DNA DOES NOT PROVE MURDER. No evidence of that, no blood stained clothes, nothing. Finding a phone doesn't prove murder, they could have been dead already and stupidly picked it up...

You may ask when there retracted statement were initated. Right when the 'sympathetic' (crocodile tears) lawyers landed in force, all paid for by generous NGO donations.

Answer:

they learned about their rights and that they could feel safer from more torture now

Now let me guess! 100% of criminals world wide would say the same. Pretty nieve reply!

And their retracted confessions don't make any sense. We all know you get a reduced sentence if you confess. Why would the boys retract knowing if proven guilty they its life or death. Again that doesn't make any sense. The only people a confession helps is the police who are doing a terrible job. Let's leave the confession no confession out for that reason right there.

SEMEN DNA DOES NOT PROVE MURDER. No evidence of that, no blood stained clothes, nothing. Finding a phone doesn't prove murder, they could have been dead already and stupidly picked it up...

You may ask when there retracted statement were initated. Right when the 'sympathetic' (crocodile tears) lawyers landed in force, all paid for by generous NGO donations.

Answer:

they learned about their rights and that they could feel safer from more torture now

Now let me guess! 100% of criminals world wide would say the same. Pretty nieve reply!

And their retracted confessions don't make any sense. We all know you get a reduced sentence if you confess. Why would the boys retract knowing if proven guilty they its life or death. Again that doesn't make any sense. The only people a confession helps is the police who are doing a terrible job. Let's leave the confession no confession out for that reason right there.

SEMEN DNA DOES NOT PROVE MURDER. No evidence of that, no blood stained clothes, nothing. Finding a phone doesn't prove murder, they could have been dead already and stupidly picked it up...

You may ask when there retracted statement were initated. Right when the 'sympathetic' (crocodile tears) lawyers landed in force, all paid for by generous NGO donations.

Answer:

they learned about their rights and that they could feel safer from more torture now

And I have no problem with this at all. But it is "no" basis for assumed innocence by the conspiracy group.

There was a double murder and we need a good solid trial. They are not guilty until proven, and with the worlds eyes on court proceedings and great international input into defense it will be clear for all to hear and see. What I am interested in following is whether the Burmese are really concerned to really help! In that case I am very happy for NGO's to field that void, but if these lads did commit this murder they surely must do the time.

That's right they have absolutely nothing. I tell you what we do have. A massive storm of young kids be tortured to confess to something they didn't do. How about we investigate that. How about we look for more potential killers. Why have the police closed the case when there is NO EVIDENCE these kids committed murder. None. Why are the Thai police so quick to close the book on a murder investigation when they have no proof. These are the questions that need answering immediately.

We have to add

Why do the Thai police not investigate other "hot" suspects? If only to proof they are innocent

And how do you know they have not been investigated! Are you part of there workforce? Enlighten me.

We want the truth!!

Until then... BOYCOT KOH TAO!

A completely stupid post. If they are guitly what will you say then. "Oh people I was wrong, my appologies to all the good operaters of guest houses and hotels for the last twenty years, my bad". Social media is faceless and yet powerful. For sure pressure the BIB, but I think it's pretty pathetic to add salt to the wounds of innocent business owners and operators surely suffering in the shadow of this horid event.

"If they are guilty" ... if you have been following closely the case you should now that statement makes no sense. Social media power and loss of tourism revenues are the only reason why Scotland Yard is let in. And the only hope to reform this rotten and corrupted system.

Your post is stupid. An observer from Scotland Yard has been invited to obviously quell the likes of your posts, let's see what the report-out yields. It does not make your post any more correct. There are many aspects to this case that are exceptional, one being these are Rankine people, particularly hated by Burmese! It does not make them Saints but more likely hated by everyone now! I stand neutral, but I detest hate posts like your recommendation, which it clearly is.

We want the truth!!

Until then... BOYCOT KOH TAO!

A completely stupid post. If they are guitly what will you say then. "Oh people I was wrong, my appologies to all the good operaters of guest houses and hotels for the last twenty years, my bad". Social media is faceless and yet powerful. For sure pressure the BIB, but I think it's pretty pathetic to add salt to the wounds of innocent business owners and operators surely suffering in the shadow of this horid event.

Sorry, chap, but if you're not trolling you are either very jaded or very green. Case aside, what innocent business owners? The island is mafia controlled, the resort/bar which likely kicked all this off with spoilt perp is mafia controlled, and the RTP is one giant mafia. 'Good owners' could not get a look-in on this island and I, for one, am with lucpez all the way... I hope people stop going and the entire place and it's pathetic, weak, grubby controllers are brought to their knees. Tourists, please go elsewhere.

And your qualifications are.....

And their retracted confessions don't make any sense. We all know you get a reduced sentence if you confess. Why would the boys retract knowing if proven guilty they its life or death. Again that doesn't make any sense. The only people a confession helps is the police who are doing a terrible job. Let's leave the confession no confession out for that reason right there.

SEMEN DNA DOES NOT PROVE MURDER. No evidence of that, no blood stained clothes, nothing. Finding a phone doesn't prove murder, they could have been dead already and stupidly picked it up...

jayjayjayjay, on 25 Oct 2014 - 01:55, said:

Jingthing, on 24 Oct 2014 - 22:45, said:

Wow. The invisible people become visible. I get the feeling this won't end well.

I am afraid emotions are running to high in defense of these guys incarcerated. For sure Andy Hall and his followers can help finance a defence, but in the end if they are guilty then they should stop this Thailand bashing.

Thai "bashing" wow, where did you get that... RTP bashing, oh yes, and they deserve it...but Thai bashing, no, only in your mind trying to stir the racist pot. For some very strange, maybe personal reasons, some people "see" Thai bashing in every comment.

How else would you describe a carte blanche recommended boycott of an entire islands services. Pretty simple stupid!

Wow. The invisible people become visible. I get the feeling this won't end well.

I am afraid emotions are running to high in defense of these guys incarcerated. For sure Andy Hall and his followers can help finance a defence, but in the end if they are guilty then they should stop this Thailand bashing.

Pardon my stupidity but how can the post that you replied to be construed as Thailand bashing?

The post is not Thailand Bashing. Read it! I did not say the post was Thailand Bashing, you did!

Wow. The invisible people become visible. I get the feeling this won't end well.

I am afraid emotions are running to high in defense of these guys incarcerated. For sure Andy Hall and his followers can help finance a defence, but in the end if they are guilty then they should stop this Thailand bashing.

Given its vast resources and decades of stability, Thailand has not produced all that many world citizens. Was there a Thai head of the World Bank or IMF ? Can anyone name any Thai world citizens ?

Surin Pitsiwan

Ahh, so we know now that in 1976, 1992, 2006, 2010 & 2014 the men in black were actually from Hong KONG!!!

Need some JingKoks, i got 22,000 in my house!!! Actually love them. They all have names :-)

The (fake) cops can be found down at the Sabai Rooms!

Is politics really the hotbed of corruption as this piece suggests or does political office (and other positions of power) merely facilitate what poll after poll indicates is a broadly approved cultural practice?

Well polls are all BS as you generally get the result the person paying for the poll wants you to get [the yes vote being ahead in Scotland being one particularly good example of manipulating the truth......lying].

However accepting the polls could be right, I don't think corruption is approved of, in that it's seen as a good thing.

More like recognising it's there and being resigned to it.

That is your opinion, but I believe you have little to do with Thai ppl!

Is politics really the hotbed of corruption as this piece suggests or does political office (and other positions of power) merely facilitate what poll after poll indicates is a broadly approved cultural practice?

Summed it up in a nut shell!

I have no idea what is going on here. Can someone explain. Why aren't other big channels like 7 or 5 having such issues. Why only 3?

I would like to have been a fly on the wall here. I empathies with the Hansen-Bartel's, but I am not sure young Jack was able to hold his booze. No need for defending the position, as said, it would be interesting to know exactly what went down, not what the opinions of boths sides might be.

America is not leading the world anymore and should retire to the sidelines like the Brits.

Their foreign policies are largely irrelevant, provocative and divisive rather than bridging differences or of any use

The Brits had the quiet dignity to understand their time is up and they wait patiently by the side for their turn again

Yanks should learn how to queue. America is leading the "world" only within continental USA. Clap Clap

Horse manure. The Brit's time was up. It had nothing to do with dignity. The USA still has the strongest economy and the most powerful military in the world. Our problem is a weak leader with foolish polices "leading" for two terms - at a very bad time in history - but it might still be possible to recover from him.

I beg to differ Ulysses G., the problem with America is it's totally corruptible political sysytem.

Herein lies the problem, the whole gang of them are tainted by politics.

Whoever is chosen there will be someone who has a gripe about it.

Where does ability come into the equation ?

It doesn't! I always sided with Thaksin simply as I honestly saw him and his cronies as the lessor of two evils! Coup detat and Democrat government does not equal persons being chosen in merit!

Thomas Chan, opinionated to a tee! Who ass have you been licking! You are not on the side of Democracy or free rule by the people. Why not just ho and live in Shezen or GuangZhou the shitholes they are!!!