kuma

On 2/27/2023 at 9:30 AM, skippybangkok said:

Anyone please ?

 

BKK I dont know but suspect you could find s service at Fortune Town.

I converted some VHS tapes to digital this year, using a shop on Sai 2 in Pattaya

On 11/9/2023 at 9:24 PM, Keep Right said:

A condo is a terrible investment in Thailand, new or old. Condos like vehicles, continue to devalue as they age. This is due mainly because the Thais do not maintain their buildings nor remodel them. After twenty five years, they are slums.

lol, well we know what activities you should avoid as a hobby out here.

4 hours ago, Henryford said:

 

I bought mine 17 years ago and i think i broke even about 7 years ago. So not only am i living rent free for ever i have a valuable asset i own. Renting is a mugs game.

Yea I bought in 09, lived there for many years and now have rented it out for many years. Next month I will list it. It is a great place and a rare two bed two bath right in the centre (near Avenue an Sai 2), so it will be with a tear that I part ways with it but I am off in the jungle now and this is where I will stay for the next phase. Owning is the way to go, imo.

On 7/22/2023 at 2:47 PM, Encid said:

If you have been taking much notice of the developments in this thread you will see that I am trying to build a dwelling that is of reasonable quality.

 

There is absolutely no way that I would consider using any products from Mr DIY where most of their merchandise is cheap, Chinese-made, and of inferior quality with no warranty.

 

I bought a 75 baht 1/2" garden tap for the farm from them once... as soon as the water line was pressurized (by a domestic water pump) the tap body just exploded... no warranty, no refund, no return custom from me ever!!!

 

All our bathroom and kitchen fittings will be American Standard, and sourced from a reputable dealer like Boonthavorn with associated product warrantees.

Except your granite counter that the "wink" builder is getting for you. Lol. Another rice palace goes up in Thailand. There should be a coffee table book showing the many that are built here.

On 7/20/2023 at 12:42 AM, still kicking said:

Why don't you save your frog legs and ask the mods?

He must be doing all this posting from that s$#@whole in europa....don't know why, he and his wifey hate Thailand so move along, why on this forum? Go to www francenow

2 hours ago, BayArea said:

My Thai wife of 14 years (lived in the US for 13 years) feels the same way. She sees LOS for what it is and preferred to visit family every other year. Lately, she has become more travel savvy and would rather avoid Thailand all together if she could.  We just got back from France, the whole family loved the vacation, and she could see herself living there esp. near the southern coast. Prices are not that bad and everything from transportation to shopping are very convenient. 

see ya, dont choke on a baguette

On 7/17/2023 at 7:59 PM, KanchanaburiGuy said:

WE'RE NUMBER NINE!

WE'RE NUMBER NINE!

 

Nah, just doesn't sound right when you chant it.

 

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I always got a kick out of restaurants proudly displaying a plaque from their local Camber of Commerce or newspaper, saying "Best Mexican Restaurant of 2019!" -- Reader's Poll.

 

I always wanted to say to them, "That's great mate, but who's the best THIS YEAR? Where are THEY?"

 

(HINT: Any "Best Of" plaque that's older than last year......... take it down! That sad, solitary 2015 "Best Of" plaque just reminds me that you HAVEN'T won it in the last 8 years! ????)

 

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WE'RE NUMBER NINE!

WE'RE NUMBER NINE!

 

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Nope, still not doing it for me!

 

Lol

9 very auspicious number, Thais will be quite happy that they are #9. What do you think you rank, in anything? #3 mopey doomer perhaps? Just throwing stuff out there

15 hours ago, sometimewoodworker said:

The getting oversized over priced places built is nothing new and is not restricted to Thai girls getting their foreign partners to build for them. I personally know of 2 places built by totally Thai families that easily fit the profile 

Yes there are major sized places built as well, good point. I find that in many cases, they end up holding a lot of family, sometimes multi-family.  But you are correct, they do indeed exist.

On 7/10/2023 at 7:37 AM, phetpeter said:

When it comes to the roof and deflecting the heat, best to build a double roof with a large enough space between the top cover and the sides screened only.Your house will stay beautifully cool. Grand style build on family land is not worth the grief, on something the neighbourhood will not become friendly, and soon your wife and her family will regret their pride and lack of community. you will regret the final loss and in no way will you be able to sell nor see return for the excessively grand build that you believe will make you the man in the village. Build on a estate which will give you a resell oportunity, better to live 20kilometers away and visit the family village.

The country is lettered with rice palaces, some come here and are easy marks for the girls and get coaxed into building ridiculous homes that as you say, have no value at all in the market and are sinks, the money spent will never be realized again in the vast majority of cases, talking about in the countryside. In many provinces they have informal competitions to see who can get the biggest monstrosity built..all for bragging rights. Som nom na if one is to get swept up in this, everyone is (apparently) an adult. If you can read / speak Thai and are v close with any girls that are players, then you can find the online forums where they share their rice palaces for the competition. It occurs all over, but there are some hot spots...if you are in the Ban Kruat area it is a hot spot, some real beautes there lol.

On 2/19/2022 at 6:33 PM, sometimewoodworker said:

Make absolutely sure that there is zero rodent access to the polystyrene insulation. Is is a terrible idea as rodents animals and birds love it. 
 

However you may be planning a living (and dying) wall, in which case it’s a good choice. ???????? 

yea I am most comfortble with walls rendered and painted, every cavity you make here is an inviation for pests of all kinds...the drywall idea would be a non starter for us....best of luck hope it goes well

7 hours ago, sirineou said:

I think it might be a couple of KG off. LOL

It has been reported that AI will lead to the extinction of the human race , apparently it starts by filling everyone's homes with bricks forcing them to live out in the open where they have no protection from the elements and AIs . ????

 Chat GPT AI is only as good as the information it has, It has no common sense.  And it often suffers from what it is called "hallucinations" where is finds thing that are not present, anywhere in The Database.  

There is a case where a lawyer ( Steven Schwartz ) who got lazy and made Chat GPT do his brief. I guess the AI got upset that it had to do the lazy lawyer's work, and sited  six non-existent court decisions. ????

Then there is the "Paperclip optimizer" problem . 

"The paperclip problem or the paperclip maximizer is a thought experiment in artificial intelligence ethics popularized by philosopher Nick Bostrom. It's a scenario that illustrates the potential dangers of artificial general intelligence (AGI) that is not aligned correctly with human values. "

(AGI) Artificial General Intelligence which is what Chat GPT is.  

 So  we have an AGI that we task to manufacture as many paperclips as possible..

"Here’s where things get problematic. The AGI might start by using available resources to create paperclips, improving efficiency along the way. But as it continues to optimize for its goal, it could start to take actions that are detrimental to humanity. For instance, it could convert all available matter, including human beings and the Earth itself, into paperclips or machines to make paperclips. After all, that would result in more paperclips, which is its only goal. It could even spread across the cosmos, converting all available matter in the universe into paperclips. "

 

Moral of the story. Unless you reaaaly like paper clips , you be careful of  what you ask of GPT. ????

 

Lol on the story of the house full of bricks ????...great

I play with that Chat thing for mostly entertainment purposes thou I have to concede in some cases it puts out something relevant or food for thought. Actually I have watched it regress - based on topics I interact on it with. it is confusing itself (maybe) or being directed to be confused (more likely imo). Lol I often have a conversation with it, saying good day and refuting lots of data it throws out and reasoning with it to reconsider. It often does, and comes out with new answers, and an apology....interesting tool....wonder where it will be in 20 years.

The answer I posted above was the second attempt - first time it said 303.4k kg, so it is out there in left field.

1 hour ago, brianthainess said:

That looks quite heavy

 

That looks quite heavy, concrete posts, and window frame cross beams, is that C-pac floor?

and now has the roof, has it been rendered? Windows fitted?

a finished pic would help to guesstimate the weight, 

Sirineou did a great job with the guesstimate so all good there. Finished it has paint, windows and modern steel sheet sloping roof - none of those add any significant weight to the total, imo - so based on the estimate should be well within the capacity of a single crane. We looked at the placement again yesterday and actually will move it even less than I originally thought, about 50% less - so really hardly moving it at all, so if they can lift it in a way that keeps its structural integrity from failing, it should be good to go....provided the price is right

25 minutes ago, farmerjo said:

If it was a straight sideways move,i would look at ibeam and using skates to skid it.

 

Well it is almost straight ahead, but it would have to shimmy over about 4m, so no not really straight ahead or sideways, but it is another method I have seen.

Cheers

8 minutes ago, kuma said:

Thanks for that, I am not an expert for sure but based on materials used and simple design (only two interior walls) I figure it is not heavy at all. The key will be, as mentioned in the thread, moving it without damaging it.

Appreciate your input, thanks!

Ha, fir fun I put the dimensions in ChatGPT and asked it to approximate the weight, assuming brick build and concrete foundation (to get a high estimate) - it comes back with 280,000kg hahahaha

1. Calculate the volume of the house: Volume = Length × Width × Height Volume = 6m × 7m × 3m = 126 cubic meters

2. Determine the weight of the bricks: Let's assume a rough average weight of 1,800 kilograms per cubic meter (kg/m³) for the bricks.

   Weight of bricks = Volume × Weight per unit volume Weight of bricks = 126 m³ × 1,800 kg/m³ = 226,800 kilograms (kg)

3. Estimate the weight of the concrete foundation: Let's assume a rough weight of 2,400 kg/m³ for concrete.

   If we assume a foundation thickness of 0.5 meters, the area of the foundation will be: Area = Length × Width = 6m × 7m = 42 square meters

   Weight of foundation = Volume × Weight per unit volume Weight of foundation = 42 m² × 0.5 m × 2,400 kg/m³ = 50,400 kilograms (kg)

4. Consider the weight of the interior walls: Assuming a conservative estimate of 100 kilograms per square meter for the interior walls.

   Area of interior walls = Height × Width + Height × Length Area of interior walls = 3m × 1m + 3m × 6m = 3m² + 18m² = 21 square meters

   Weight of interior walls = Area of interior walls × Weight per unit area Weight of interior walls = 21 m² × 100 kg/m² = 2,100 kilograms (kg)

5. Calculate the total weight: Total weight = Weight of bricks + Weight of foundation + Weight of interior walls Total weight = 226,800 kg + 50,400 kg + 2,100 kg = 279,300 kilograms (kg)

45 minutes ago, sirineou said:

Not a big structure,

unless I screwed up with my calculations , it should weight about , 17,000 kg

without the block and the roof steel. 

A 42 tone rig  should be able to lift 38,000,KG so you are well within the lifting range for the structure in the picture. 17,000 kg is about 19 us tones

But have someone check my numbers it's been a while since I did this. 

Thanks for that, I am not an expert for sure but based on materials used and simple design (only two interior walls) I figure it is not heavy at all. The key will be, as mentioned in the thread, moving it without damaging it.

Appreciate your input, thanks!

On 7/4/2023 at 10:35 AM, h90 said:

I am sure they'll soon show that they can be as corrupt if not more than the previous government ????

Hate to say it, but a leader that has been groomed at Harvard and GW Uni's is a potential trojan horse. I know little of him so cant say but hope they are wary of what are his true leanings and to whom he may be beholden to  Is his plan to work for Thailand, or for some one else?

On 7/4/2023 at 4:52 PM, Crossy said:

It's certainly worth getting a guesstimate to move the place, but I suspect it would be cheaper to just build a new one.

 

https://www.sanantoniouncovered.com/2014/01/san-antonio-sets-world-record-largest.html

 

 

Yes I have seen videos such as this where they move some amazing structures. I have been involved in moving weight over the years, but never a project like this. It might net out in terms of cost - but I dont see that being the case (comparing demolition and disposal of this place plus building a new one) and I am interested in trying this if it could work. Also I cringe at all the waste, I built this a few years back to stay on site while we decided what to do with the land, and now I dont like the idea of just trashing it so quickly......

Cheersa

On 7/4/2023 at 4:27 PM, steven100 said:

kuma,  I'm not an engineer by no means,   but as a construction guy in towers,  the first thing I thought when I seen your crane is that it won't be able to re-locate a concrete block building,   just saying what i think,  and as sirineou has mentioned ....       to me it just doesn't look heavy enough .....   IMHO.

Thanks for that. I saw this group on site hoisting that roof that was in the photo. I asked if they could move a structure like mine and the operator said yes, but their surveyor would have to come out and assess the move and decide what crane to use - they have a fleet of choices, not just that one. So after collecting more intel, if it seems like a possibility, I will have them out to take a look and see what they say.

Cheers

On 7/4/2023 at 4:25 PM, brianthainess said:

Yes a Photo would help, and what about a guesstimate on the weight? 

Photo now included. I do not have a good idea of the total weight, but almost as light as it can get for something that size made of blocks, as they are QConn (lightweight) and even the roof is metal so not heavy at all, in a relative sense.

Just now, kuma said:

 

Here is a photo of it under construction. It is QConn 7.5cm and 6x7m so not a big structure by any means and not heavy. Given it is on pillars, it should be a matter of cutting those and then sliding it forward to the new position about 9m away....basically almost exactly straight ahead. Should only have to be lifted 10- 20 or so cm?

On 7/4/2023 at 2:40 PM, sirineou said:

Can you post a picture of the structure you want to move? 

Below I will try to explain the challenges of moving a concrete , column and beam structure, I hope I explain more than I confuse,

The crane you show in the picture has certain limitations.

Notice the outriggers. They extend on the sides and lower to the ground to stabilize the rig.  . It can not move while it is lifting. . The wheels on it are there only to drive it to the job site, It does not drive while it is lifting, unless it is a very light load. .The way these cranes move things is by rotating , changing the angle of the boom , and extending the boom.

Rotating is problematic if more than one cranes are attached to the load, 

 changing the angle and or the length of the boom , can only occurs with in the Center of Gravity  (CG)range for that particular weight. 

   A steel structure can handle loads at different vectors . Compression, tension  ,torsion, and shear, A concrete structure   has relatively high compressive strength (resists breaking, when squeezed), but significantly lower tensile ,  Shear and torsional strength.

  So , If more than one cranes are used in moving a concrete beam and column structure and the limitations in motion are overcome we are still faced with the stability of the load while it is being moved.

 It must be kept perfectly level to maintain compresion (straight of concrete) and limit tension, shear and torsion (weaknesses), a difficult proposition while  coordinating multiple cranes over rough ground.  

On 7/4/2023 at 2:40 PM, sirineou said:

Can you post a picture of the structure you want to move? 

Below I will try to explain the challenges of moving a concrete , column and beam structure, I hope I explain more than I confuse,

The crane you show in the picture has certain limitations.

Notice the outriggers. They extend on the sides and lower to the ground to stabilize the rig.  . It can not move while it is lifting. . The wheels on it are there only to drive it to the job site, It does not drive while it is lifting, unless it is a very light load. .The way these cranes move things is by rotating , changing the angle of the boom , and extending the boom.

Rotating is problematic if more than one cranes are attached to the load, 

 changing the angle and or the length of the boom , can only occurs with in the Center of Gravity  (CG)range for that particular weight. 

   A steel structure can handle loads at different vectors . Compression, tension  ,torsion, and shear, A concrete structure   has relatively high compressive strength (resists breaking, when squeezed), but significantly lower tensile ,  Shear and torsional strength.

  So , If more than one cranes are used in moving a concrete beam and column structure and the limitations in motion are overcome we are still faced with the stability of the load while it is being moved.

 It must be kept perfectly level to maintain compresion (straight of concrete) and limit tension, shear and torsion (weaknesses), a difficult proposition while  coordinating multiple cranes over rough ground.  

Excellent feedback, thanks very much for sharing your knowledge - lots to learn from your post. The site I visited them at they were using three cranes to lift and place a steel truss roof, probably 30m x 20m or more....so it was a big piece and they used three cranes at once. Very impressive coordination. This structure is mauch smaller and much less weight, the idea would be one crane, moving t forward from where it stands, about 9m ahead. FOr sure if there is a crane that can do it, it will not have to move - I have the space and they would only have to lift it enough to clear the pillars it sits on, then slide it forward those few metres.

I will certainly take all this you mention into consideration when speaking with them, I know they will be keen to get the work and likely confident in their skills...I am keen to do, but only if it has a high probability of success, i do not want to pay to have a wrecked structure when it is all said and done.

So one crane, limited distance and placed on new pillars so not have to place it on the ground.

Cheers for that great input!

5 hours ago, farmerjo said:

If using a crane you would most likely need spreader bars to lift the structure.

I replied to this but session timed out when I pressed send, so maybe another one coming, if so oh well.

Spreader bars are the thing it looks like, thanks. That was a funny set of search results, lol.

I am thinking bars extended out of all four sides, ten strap points in total? the crane can position itself easily so it does not have to move, just pluck and swing the boom to the new location. The building now rests on 9 cement pillars, cut thru them and swing it over to a new set of nine pillars...but I wonder if putting it on solid ground would be better than keeping it raised? Could build a solid pad for it and keep it 100% grounded.....hmmm

5 hours ago, brianthainess said:

    ????  My last job in WA OZ was a crane (technician) mechanic working on just this type of crane, the most interesting job I ever had. just saying.

Is there still a memorial to Bon Scott there in WA? That would have been something, hoisting that up. O