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9 minutes ago, Keesters said:

Not just ordering but receiving. Time to put the Thailand AZ vaccine facility under military control and ensuring no vaccines leave the country. 

Do you not realise that the Government IS the military?
The AZ vaccine is already under military control!
That's part of the problem.

4 hours ago, RichardColeman said:

For almost an entire year , Thailand's covid deaths were between 0 and 3. How can you possibly say this is the 4th wave. I'd say it's the first. or second at most.

Mmmmm - 3rd wave . . . 4th wave . . . well Thailand's leaders have never been very good at understanding how the outside world works and how farangs do things - they try to copy it but don't get it right.

It's not just with the pandemic - just look at the Thai approach to presenting statistics - then take a close look at their systems of law, education, policing, justice, finance, and banking, for other notable examples!

You're kidding! I know Thai education is of a very poor quality, but, surely, any idiot must realise that a pandemic doesn't multiply arithmetically, but geometrically

It doesn't go month 1  = 2,000 infections, month 2 = 3,000 infections, month 3 = 4,000 infections . . . it goes 2,000, 4,000, 8,000, 16,000 and so on.

In the last 6 or 7 weeks it's gone from around 2,000 a day to 6,000 a day.

With that kind of progression we'll be on 10,000 a day by next MONTH! Not next year!

OH! No, sorry, we won't. Because The Gov is only resting random samples in areas where Covid is being reported. The rest of the general populace is being ignored. Right! As you were, men! 10,000 by the end of the year. We're on target.  Very good. Carry on.

3 minutes ago, MrJ2U said:

Is this on top of the repirted 5 million doses that was reported over a week ago?

 

 

 

Thaiger June 24th

 

"The Government Pharmaceutical Organisation said that only 5 million Moderna Covid-19 vaccines would be available at private hospitals, half as many as the 10 million total figure expected. The government of Thailand is giving free vaccinations using the Sinovac and AstraZeneca vaccines, while they had approved Johnson & Johnson, Modena, and Pfizer vaccines for private use."

nah - it was only reported that it was reported - the report of the report was mis-reported.

1 hour ago, Nanaplaza666 said:

He and his are vaccinated and he doesn't give a flying !@#$ about the rest. Tell a Thai to do one thing and they will do the exact opposite . So maybe it will work better if they tell him to slow down or do nothing at all maybe that will start him up this dumb useless peace of human being . 

A savage editorial today in The Thai Enquirer.

(Link at the end)

I will quote a fraction . . . 
     "We are led by an administration of cowards masquerading as decisive men and the only direction they will take us is our collective doom.

     So bound are they to their paymasters that they were unwilling to shut down the country when it would have helped before Songkran.

     So eager to please are they that they bet the entire fate of the country on a vaccine that doesn’t work and a pharmaceutical company that has never produced vaccines.

     Yet the clown car of our destruction rolls on, led by a half-smiling buffoon who would rather tell jokes than evoke the seriousness of the situation."

https://www.thaienquirer.com/29032/opinion-thailand-can-no-longer-tolerate-incompetence-even-if-it-means-wholesale-changes/

1 hour ago, arick said:

Why isn't Phuket on their list they were 70% Last Friday and last Saturday 80% they would be at the top of the list. 

Things that everybody ought to know about Thailand's numbers and statistics.

1. No Thai 'spokesperson' actually knows the reality of the figures or statistics that they quote. They're handed numbers which have been prepared by somebody else.

2. When a Thai 'spokesperson' isn't given any figures or statistics, they make them up, trying to sound as optimistic as possible.

3. The people who compile the figures or statistics for the Thai 'spokespeople' usually believe that they are accurate, even though they know nothing much about figures or statistics. These figures or statistics are usually ordered to be biased for effect and are frequently inaccurate.

4. Often the people who compile the figures or statistics couldn't care less, as they will be handing the figures or statistics on to somebody else and there's no way of proving them right or wrong, so they just make them up.

CONCLUSION: Absolutely no figures or statistics produced or stated by a Thai 'spokesperson' are accurate and can be believed, even if they genuinely think that they are.

Things that everybody ought to know about Thailand's numbers and statistics.

1. No Thai 'spokesperson' actually knows the reality of the figures or statistics that they quote. They're handed numbers which have been prepared by somebody else.

2. When a Thai 'spokesperson' isn't given any figures or statistics, they make them up, trying to sound as optimistic as possible.

3. The people who compile the figures or statistics for the Thai 'spokespeople' usually believe that they are accurate, even though they know nothing much about figures or statistics. These figures or statistics are usually ordered to be biased for effect and are frequently inaccurate.

4. Often the people who compile the figures or statistics couldn't care less, as they will be handing the figures or statistics on to somebody else and there's no way of proving them right or wrong, so they just make them up.

CONCLUSION: Absolutely no figures or statistics produced or stated by a Thai 'spokesperson' are accurate and can be believed, even if they genuinely think that they are.

5 hours ago, Moti24 said:

I did read, not long ago, that Thai tourists are heading that way.  How are they going to get there!  Are they being airlifted-in, or travelling through several provinces, stopping to eat every 2 hours, collecting the virus as they go!

 

I can feel the 4th wave hovering not too far away; the foreigners can take the blame, so no problem.

 

I've just noticed the number under my name at the top - 1984!  There's an omen, if ever I saw one.

Thailand has been using the cheapy Sinovac to jap its people with. After the first shot it's 3% effective. Only a fraction of the Thai people have had 2 jabs, ie  it's 50% effective.

And yet they are refusing admission to incoming foreign tourists who have been jabbed with the same vaccine, as it's deemed ineffective.

Speaks volumes about the government's confidence in its own vaccination program, doesn't it . . . or alternatively they simply don't give a s*** about their own people.

4 hours ago, RichardColeman said:

Just proves to me that atleats 91% of Thais have absolutely no clue as to the efficacy of the Chinese first jab !

I'm on Samui, and my local restaurant lady is fine with foreign tourists coming in. But she's scared stiff about Thai tourists - she told me that the Thai people think the jab is magic and that with the "injected amulet" just one time in their body, they think they are protected against all ills forever.

Something that nobody seems to have taken into account - especially the Thai government, who  can't see past the end of their noses - is the effect on Thailand and tourism if tourists come, then go back having become infected in Thailand and carrying the virus back to their own country.

Even with quality vaccines like Pfizer and Moderna there is still a 1-in-10 chance of becoming infected.

With the cheap Sinovac that the Thai Government is cutting costs with, it's a 50-50 chance after 2 doses. Pretending that Phuket is "70%" vaccinated (when it is nowhere near this) is shortsighted stupidity.

Meaning that - in their desperation to pull tourists in (and fiddling the vaccination figures to do it)  - Thailand is on the verge of digging its own grave.

It will only need just a tiny handful of tourists  to test positive on their return home, and that will be the nails in the coffin. Word will spread and Thailand will be dead in the water for years to come.

There are a couple of reasons to explain this perpetually-idiotic behavior from the Thais.

The first is that Thailand is run on a very old-fashioned management system, a pyramid with the one big boss at the top passing his orders downwards with no debate or consultation - as in "get me the numbers of tourists that I want or you're out of a job". Hardly surprising that the underlings just make up fantasy "facts" and figures.

But the main failure is that Thailand and its governance has no idea whatsoever about what's going on outside of Thailand. The idea (for example) that Thailand might be on other nations' no-go lists would never occur to anyone Thai.  Likewise, they just can't imagine that tourists might have to be quarantined in their own countries, when they return. 

And the other huge problem is that none of the government departments are linked or connected or work together. Hence the constant idiocy of one department making a statement which is contradicted the next day by another statement from somewhere else - even provincial governors can suddenly create new rules which go against guidelines from the TAT or health ministry.

Finally - the Thai admin has no clue at all that the bulk of their previous tourists can now go to alternative destinations that are closer, cheaper, and far less hassle than Thailand, with no immigration silliness, no expensive tests required, and with laws and rules that don't get changed every week

The Thai nation is conditioned by its education and society to believe that their country is the best in the world . . . and that kind of superior arrogance is no longer acceptable in the 21st century - particularly when holding out a begging bowl.

I've been living on Samui for a long time, and my little local restaurant lady is something of an expert at keeping up with all the Covid news - in fact I go there frequently just to check if I'm interpreting the local news correctly.

I asked her a few days ago if she's worried about lots of new tourists (!!) coming in soon. Her reply?
"I'm not worried about the tourists; they've all had  the full course of jabs and they're getting quality vaccines. But they won't be coming for a long time yet as this government is making such a mess of everything. No, what I'm worried about is Thai tourists coming from the mainland. The way things are none of us (Thais) on Samui can know if they are properly vaccinated and the certificates and checks they get are not reliable, and some are coming here and they've only had one jab. A lot of Thai people think that's all they need."

As it happens it's a family business and there's no rent to pay and the utility bills are just about covered by the odd handful of retired expats that go in there. But it's devastating for those who are less fortunate.