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22 hours ago, Bruno123 said:

New one? No. 

 

The place from which you claimed to order and have tried their products earlier, has it for half that price.

 

Thanks goodness you didn't provide a link. That would have had people paying double the going rate.

 

https://shop.line.me/@baan_kru_samun_pri/product/1002513340

They're proudly advertising this as a "foreign species". I'd love to know where it comes from - Laos? Cambodia?

1 hour ago, Livesbkk73 said:

I've used it with soil. Now using it with Coco + perlite.

 

I think you can used it any medium but i would check with supplier

Just checked - really friendly guy - yes, fine with soil media.

4 hours ago, Livesbkk73 said:

Guys,

 

I found this company.

 

https://www.facebook.com/chiliplantsthailand

 

I tried the Cal-mag without a problem.

 

Just got myself some for their Exotic Feed to try.

A 3 -part feed (Copy of GH flora) for a fraction of the price

 

 

Great stuff! But can it be used with soil, or is it for hydro?

5 hours ago, Bobsuruncle said:

Hi tomster, add me to your list of people interested in getting a batch of your new sample fertilizer. You seem to know what you're doing and have a bit of experience behind you, so if the lab tests check out to your satisfaction, I'd be willing to buy some from you. This one is for veg only right? And what will you use for flower? Cheers, Richard

 . . . shouldn't  there be a "please"  in there somewhere ?????

9 hours ago, BritManToo said:

I predict these lights will be worthless for growing anything.

Lots of 'fake' grow lights on sale from China.

Well, they won't be growing anything - they'll be supplementing the natural daylight - that's the whole point. ????

6 hours ago, stoner said:

is your tent set up like this pic and a light ?  the middle is empty where the light is strongest ?

Four lights - with the middle part the furthest away from the lights - how can it be the strongest? And it's not a tent.

On 8/25/2022 at 3:42 PM, fredbe said:

Hi, because the day duration is too short now. I want to plant about 9 trees (photoperiod)  this month and using a lamp for the veggie phase and move them outside during the flowering phase. Or may be, i let them outside all the time but the during the veggie phase, i add the lamp on evening. For example, i expose them to the light from 18 PM to midnight, so they will get about 18 hours of natural and artificial light. I try to find a cheap solution. The lamp for veggie and blooming is very expensive and i don't want to pay a big electricity bill. Is it a good idea do you think ? Cheers

Have you tried lugging a 12-inch plant pot full of plant and wet/moist soil? Nine plants, twice a day?

I've got exactly the same idea - but think I've resolved it by puttng everything in a small plastic greenhouse. (In my case I'm tying it first in a half-size greenhouse - 1 metre high - using autoflowers which only get to about 2 ft or so . . . )

For you, a 2-metre high greenhouse will allow you room for 7 12-inch pots with a central walk-space.  This one is just under 2,000B with shipping, but it has the clear plastic which the cheaper ones don't have.

https://www.lazada.co.th/products/kerry-pe-uv-143-x-143-x-195-cm-greenhouse-pe-i2565037542-s9130340113.html?

What I THINK might be the best lights for this setup I have ordered and are arriving any day soon. Youll need three, as shown in my plan - 1 x 1,250 and 2 x 1,080 (inc post).

https://www.lazada.co.th/products/i3838411038-s14635581025.html?urlFlag=true&mp=1&spm=spm%3Da2o4m.order_details.item_title.1

For this to work the plants must get between 4 and 6 hours a day sunlight - the rest will be coming from the lamps - if you run them at night then you don't need  high-wattage lamps to make up the DLI that the plants need. (But if you are growing ordinary photoperiodic (ie non-auto) then take care to not let them get any darkness - if they get less than 12 hours light they'll start to flower.)

The other thing I've discovered is that the advertised wattage and the actual power consumption is miles apart - my present "250 watt" lamps are actuallu using 50 watts between the 2 of them - so I shouldn't worry too much about the electricity cost. (I'm using 280 baht per month - your set-up will be probably double that.)

(You'll also need to site the greenhouse against a wall - so that you can firmly attach it with screws and fittings - mine's survived howling gales . . .)

But hang on for a bit until I can report about the new lights I'm getting . . . 

4 hours ago, tomster said:

So basically there are plenty of ready mixed "Hot Soils" that seem popular here as guess it solves the problem of the nutrient selection being so bad - you just add water and some organic fertiliser and you're good to go.

 

Examples of these products:

 

https://www.tumdin.com/super-soil-5-packs

https://www.lazada.co.th/products/5-kg-super-soil-by-cannadude-420-i3826304036-s14580701494.html

https://www.lazada.co.th/products/labsoil-420-20-10kggrowganics-super-soil-i3413206428-s12623952838.html

https://www.lazada.co.th/products/our-store-is-in-stock-t-rex-super-soil-22-65-10-i3979883041-s15409072270.html

https://www.facebook.com/naturalfarmsoil/posts/pfbid0YY47Nt9oNvy3Xy283p6XRrV4kYPrEWgmwsNbC1fosxjpaXxCu4y42poqHWfGHum7l

https://www.lazada.co.th/products/geisha-organic-supersoil-i2929332381-s10736464001.html

 

And there are several others but you get the idea.

 

The other option is to use a lightly fertilised peat based mix like this:

 

https://www.lazada.co.th/products/bvb-substrate-medical-peatmoss-70-18-i3096982642-s11425823709.html

 

This is basically a very low fertilised soil that you can add all your own nutes to and control the entire process, this is I think what the thread is about, finding a well priced nutrient works for this kind of substrate.

 

I have literally an hour ago just received samples that I have had made that ticks all the boxes (as long as the lab tests check out next week) so hopefully that will be available in the next 2-3 weeks, I plan to give away the first batch for free to active members on this forum to test it, so will post when it's ready to go. ????

 

In the meantime it's based on this formula so this could be worth investing in as a grow feed if you don't want to go down the hotsoil route:

 

https://shopee.co.th/Maxi-Gro--10-5-14----GHE--ปุ๋ยหลักทำใบ--i.87157335.7870762290

 

Just don't use that nutrient with a hotsoil - you will massively over fertilize the plants.

 

Cheers.

 

 

Hell but those ready-made  soils are pricy compared to making-up your own. I suppose if you were honing your grow to perfection it might be desirable - but would it really make that much difference compared to using a soil mix like mine?

Thanks so much for the links - Lazada's search engine is probably the most bizarre and inconsistent I've ever come across (maybe because of the translation problem?) but your links spin off into all sorts of additional nutes and additives and goodies that I never came across when I was hunting to make my soil mix - a great little nest of bookmarks! (Particularly the Maxi-Gro.)

I've got 25 Jack Herer Auto seeds on their way (for a grow in the new year) so I'll then be correcting all the mistakes I make this time around!

Thanks again.

Does this mean that you are vegging them indoors then moving them outside? Why do you need to move them?

How many plants? What sort of space are they taking up?

I've recently bought 3 lots of cheap lights - two of them are quite good . . . 

 

4 hours ago, tomster said:

OK, so the soil and the way you use it seem fine, it kind of depends on the nutrient level, if any, in the potting soil though.

 

Are you actually having any problems with the grow currently or just looking around for different nutrient options?

 

The Wesco 30-20-10 + TE is cheap as chips but here is the analysis:

 

Total nitrogen (N) 30%

Beneficial Phosphate (P2O5) 20%

Soluble Photash (K2O) 10%

Magnesium (Mgo) 0.03%

Iron (Fe) 0.009%

Manganese (Mn) 0.009%

Copper (Cu) 0.009%

Zinc (Zn) 0.009%

Boron (B) 0.008%

 

The trace elements are pretty low. I'm not seeing any calcium and almost no magnesium so if it was me I would probably use a Calmag product with it.

 

As for the nutrient strength you really need to start using an EC Meter.

 

You soil mix is semi-hot so it has some nutrients but is not fully loaded like many of the Thai mixes.

 

I would personally keep a total EC of about 0.6 - 0.8 to start with and gradually work it up to about 1.2 - 1.4, but these numbers need to be driven by the way the plants looks and the amount they feed.

 

Not a perfect answer sorry but we are where we are with the lack of nutrients - hopefully this will get sorted soon.

 

Cheers.

You need to think of me as somebody's granddad, pottering around in his allotment in his retirement - the main difference being that I'm not growing tomatos. I don't know much but am keen to learn. I've just started a new grow with the aim of correcting mistakes made in the past and also trying a few new things.

I've currently got 6 seedlings, a week old. This time around I'm trying using a small greenhouse, with the lower light levels at this time of year supplemented by LED lighting - I'm hoping that this both boosts any low daylight levels and also allows for a 18/6 approach. So, no I'm not having any problems with this grow (yet!). But, now there's no ban on discussing cannabis, I'm grateful for knowledgable advice to make sure that as little goes wrong as possible, right from the start (big cheesy grin). 

"The trace elements are pretty low. I'm not seeing any calcium and almost no magnesium so if it was me I would probably use a Calmag product with it." I've not even got on to considering supplements - could you give some pointers as to what this is and where I can get it? A link would be useful . . . 

"You soil mix is semi-hot so it has some nutrients but is not fully loaded like many of the Thai mixes." I didn't realise you could buy ready-made soil mixes. Again, can you give me a pointer to the kind of thing to look for? (Or did you mean that a lot of the Thais go OTT in making their own mixes?)

Thanks once again for your patience.

1 hour ago, tomster said:

Hi Rob,

 

How are you measuring that DLI as it's very high and normally associated with supplemental Co2 - do you have a reliable PAR meter?

 

Can you post the model number of the lights?

 

For the nutrient strength it's all about the soil you are using, do you have a link to the product?

 

Sorry to answer your question, with questions. ????

How are you measuring that DLI as it's very high and normally associated with supplemental Co2 - do you have a reliable PAR meter?

Sorry for the slipped acronym -  should have said that it's a max/up to 60 PAR - 4.5 DLI/20 hours.. I'm using the phone app Photone, which seems to be very reliable according to the YouTube reviews.

Can you post the model number of the lights?
Chuckle - China special - 2x 256 LED 250W tri-light panels, adjustable for blue or red bias.

For the nutrient strength it's all about the soil you are using, do you have a link to the product?

A mix of 4 parts potting soil + 1 part coir + 1 part perlite + 1 part worm cast plus ¼ part bonemeal + ¼ part guano. It seems quite a rich mix, so I've germinated the seedlings in expandable plugs. I've added a top layer of about 2-3 inches of potting compost on top of the soil mix and bedded the plug into this so that the roots can gradually grow down into the nutriments.

I'm thinking that supplemental nourishment should be low - maybe a quarter strength, especially if I use the WESCO 30-20-10?
(I've found a bloom booster at 0-12-11, so that end of it is OK.)

Any ideas??

5 hours ago, KannikaP said:

Brit man Too suggested the Wesco 30-20-10 TE for vege state, and Wesco 0-52-34 for flowers. Good price on Lazada. Seems to be OK for my little plants.

Ouch! I'm uncomfy with the very high phosphorus level in the Wesco 0-52-34. Managed to find this instead - much milder at 0-12-11!
https://www.lazada.co.th/products/new-size-nutra-hydroponics-nutrabooster-250ml-bottle-compare-to-flower-fuel-general-hydroponics-fox-farm-dwc-i4029111363-s15652250791.html?
 

1 hour ago, MrMuddle said:

I've got them too, also suggested by Brit man too. The Veg fertiliser certainly makes for a big plant, with plenty of leaves, they look in great condition too!
Haven't used the flower fertiliser yet, but hopefully soon!

Thanks - it's a pain in the bum having to mix up 150 litres of soil mix with six ingredients, so I might well get some of this for my New Year Grow. It'll be interesting to compare the results.

2 hours ago, rice555 said:

If know what you want, you can get the salts(25Kg bags) at WESCO, BKK.

They have the micros sulphates and chelated 1Kg. Moly sml. 100gr.  

You can get smaller amounts of salts from www. stores.

I'm using a formula off RIU's forum, general marijuana growing, sub forum

DIY, page 2, DIY hydro nutes in 5 minutes.  About using. "Hydro Buddy" to work up a formula.  If you use windoz. machine, you can get Netron 2000, a S/W

from NZ. to "formulate hydro",   10K Bt, will get you about 25,000L of EC 1.0 nutes. if you running R-W coco.  rice555

and regular fertlizers.(10-52-17, what ever you want)

Many thanks for the info!

5 hours ago, tomster said:

Hi Rob,

 

I just tried and failed to import a well known Aussie made range of nutrients, the import rules are totally and utterly ridiculous.

 

So far I know of only two locally made options although I am about to start testing a third in the coming days which I expect to the best priced and most effective going forward.

 

Here are the two that I know of:

 

https://www.accenthydroponicsthailand.com/457887/flowering

 

I'm not sure which is their grow formula, probably this one:

 

https://www.accenthydroponicsthailand.com/457886/culture-s

 

I know people using the flowering version and it seems to work well enough although it's low P.

 

Also there is a local company that appeared after June 9th - Nutra Hydro:

 

https://www.lazada.co.th/nutra-hydro/

 

I'm sure there are others that I don't know of and others will add them - it's a good question.

 

Cheers.

Hi Tom - thanks for the detailed reply.

I'm a veteran smoker but a novice grower - I've run two grows in Tland, both times in a light tent gowing in a soil mix, and both times chickened out! When they were in flower, even in a closed tent indoors, you could smell it from outside up to 80 yards away downwind. But happily times have now changed and (unless I really P somebody off) nobody's gonna bother with one elderly pensioner growing 6 or 7 plants.

I looked at the links you sent and they were perfect - cheap and formulated near enough - thanks for the pointers. 

But . . . I'm doing a sol grow in 15 ltr (4 gallon) pots. In a small greenhouse with supplementary lighting (due to getting close to the end of the year). Perhaps I simply don't need added nutrients?

It's a good soil mix, with worm cast, guano and bone meal in there. The LED lights are strong enough to provide approx 60 DLI for 6 plants. and I can switch between a blue or red balance. Should I need added nutrients? If so, can I use the solutions you mentioned from Accent Hydroponics? (They'd probably need duluting to perhaps ¼ strength?).

What's your thoughts on this?

4 hours ago, tomster said:

Believe it or not a nutrient with this NPK would not be allowed in Thailand - 4:2:3

 

For whatever reason you can only register plant fertilisers that have an NPK that adds up to 20 or more.

 

Hence the overdoing it on the NPK.

 

The even sillier thing is that if it doesn't add up to 20 it's not like it can't be classed as a fertiliser, it just can't be registered.

 

Maybe there is a way around it if the nutrient is made here as Nutra Hydro products don't add up to 20 so maybe there is something else I am not aware of - my experience was with importing but I think it would apply to locally made as well.

 

Madness.

I rather think this might be the result of the strict pyramid system of authority in Thailand - the boss tells the underlings what to do and it's passed down the chain . . . no discussion, no leeway, JUST DO IT.  So if the boss decides that tiny little formulations (ie 4:2:3) aren't grand enough or impressive enough numbers and insists on bigger ones (even though he has no idea what he's talking about) then that's the way it is and it becomes thwe law of the land.

I had no idea that "20 or more" was the Thai way - explains a lot, particularly about the bigger numbers. It reminds me abut the time I was advised to never let a Thai guy put air in my car tyres - he'll pump them up to 90 psi so that it'll last three times longer. I can imagine that a "wonder grow" bottle of grow juice with 50-0-0 will sell more than what's actually needed at 8-2-2 . . . if they were allowed to sell it at this strength . . . madness indeed.
 

All the fertilisers geared to growing weed are selling for silly high prices as they seem to be imported. Anyone found a local source?

The Thais are notorious for not using the NPL convention on their packaging. instead preferring exaggerated claims that bring to mind a traveling snake oil seller. Also they have the idea that bigger and more is better – so most of their stuff seems to be 45:0:0 rather than a gentle ratio of 4:2:3.

I’m looking for liquid concentrates of as close to these ratios as possible - 4:2:3 and 2:8:4: - or close.

Can anyone help? Photos of the label or a live link would be appreciated ????

1 hour ago, DontDoubtMe said:

the background says "Blow Thailand"......

 

so my guess is its a Thai menu lol

Doesn't show up on my PC - thanks.

On 8/21/2022 at 7:45 AM, wombat said:

Just saying..

I knew price gouging would initially occur and it wasn't till the other day talking to a friend in Oz who just got on the medical weed circuit that I could put it into perspective...he is paying A$15.oo per gram (368 baht)

 

 

The prices on the menu are puzzling me - whar currency are they in? "Cherry Pie 890 " - 890 what -  Aus$ 8,90? Or did someone translate it to baht ????
(Or is the menu a Thai menu and not an Aussie one??)

AH! 20 years of pride and prejudice finally being redressed.

So from one government which shot the drug dealers and closed clubs early to 'protect the nation's youth' - through to another government which tried to 'zone' the country and closed nightclubs at midnight - and finally through to an eventual bottom line which goes " $$@**& this, we're broke, we need cash".

I'm glad I stuck it out for 25 years. It's been hard at times. But finally now we've progressed back to where we were a quarter of a century ago - except that you can now smoke weed, too.

Expect prostitution to be legalised any time soon - they need to screw tax out of all those millions of prostitutes which didn't exist until someone realised they’ve been a cash crop all along.

19 hours ago, jaywalker2 said:

Here is a menu I just received from an online seller linked here:

 

a bouquet of foreign varieties
 - OG Cushion 1 gram 150 / 10 grams 1250 / 100 grams 9000 / 1 kilogram 75,000 baht
- Tealot 1 gram 99 /10 grams 825 / 100 grams 5900 / 1kg 49,500 baht
 - Suver 1 gram 75 / 10 grams 625 / 100 grams 4500 / 1 kilogram 37,500 baht
- Cherry white 1 gram 65 / 10 grams 525 / 100 grams 3700 / 1 kilogram 31,500 baht
- KD 1 gram 55 / 10 grams 450 / 100 grams 3200 / 1kg 27,000 baht

Thai species bouquet
Green bouquet 1 gram 50 baht excluded shipping.
10 grams 300 baht including delivery
50 grams 1000 baht
 100 grams 1800 baht
1 kg 15000 baht

 Phu Phan bouquet price
 1 gram 30 baht excluded shipping.
10 grams 200 baht including delivery
50 grams 800 baht
100 grams 1,500 baht
 500 grams 6000 baht
1 kg. 12,000 baht

 Gering Krawea species
 1 gram 40 baht excluded shipping.
 10 grams 250 baht including delivery
50 grams 900 baht
100 grams 1,650 baht
 500 grams 7500 baht
1 kg. 13,000 baht

 

Can anybody parse this for me? What is Cherry White? Green Bouquet? Does brickweed have names or is it alway just brickweed?

 

Please, enlighten my ignorance.

Can anybody parse this for me? What is Cherry White? Green Bouquet? Does brickweed have names or is it alway just brickweed?

Just bought supposedly Silver Haze from this same Farm - it looks something like ordinary landrace Squirrel Tail.

Other online sellers are selling this . . . 

Draw your own conclusions.