38 minutes ago, Pedrogaz said:

Let's face it Boris has screwed up on coronavirus.....sadly this has weakened him. He needs to grow a pair and hang tough. Our waters, our fishermen......let's bring fishing back to Britain.

Johnson screws up on everything he touches.   It's a dangerous thing to have a compulsive liar leading a high majority government at the best of times but these days it is so much worse.

To think for one moment he is capable of solving the fishing debacle is laughable, yet not at all funny.

1 hour ago, vogie said:

But you are not being screwed by anyone, Dom and Jon promised that we would be leaving the EU and that is what we've have done, it is what the majority voted for, democratically they cannot do any more, if they did any less we would be tied to the EU by one way or another, why do you think you are being screwed?

There is only one person not making it an easy trade deal and that is Mr Barnier, all we have asked for a deal like the Canadians have and apparently we can't have have that because of the geographically position of our island, so most people would consider that being most unfair and possible a punishment for having the audacity to leave the Jolly Boys Fun House.

Depends on how you look at it Vogie.  In the endless discussions in the pub with the people I know who voted leave the mantra was always the same.  "We will get a good deal with the EU!  They need us more than we need them etc. etc.  They got that argument straight from the likes of Gove, Fox and their cronies, so it must be true. 48% of the population could see that that wasn't true and we were all being sold a pup.

Fast forward to today and those same leave voters are now just saying "We want it over, it doesn't matter, we just have to leave".  They are never going to admit that what we were saying from day one was true, but that is totally understandable.  As it turns out there was a deal to be done (of sorts) as May did her best to salvage something.  However as soon as Cummings and Johnson took over it was clear that they would go for what they want which is no deal.

Barnier is being consistent as always and simply sticking to what he said from day one.  It is the British "negotiators" who are huffing and puffing. It is very embarrassing but that is the price you pay for having a buffoon in charge.

As I said before time will tell.  Not whether we leave but just how costly it is going to be.  The effects of the pandemic will help the government as it will be used to take the blame for much the dire economic consequences that will surely occur.

7 hours ago, pacovl46 said:

Free trade deal, riiiiiiiiiiiight! You wanted out, now you’re out. No deal will be just fine!

There is no plan for Britain to make a trade deal.  Cummings and his lapdog Johnson have made that clear.  They will pay lip service to Parliament but with their majority they can do just what they want to do and screw the rest of us.

But given that the original Brexit campaign was that we would get a fabulous, easiest ever trade deal if we left, you would think most Brexiteers would be disappointed with that promise (like all the others) being tossed out of the window.  Apparently not though. 

22 hours ago, TheDark said:

NZ just got her first blowback from two people who travelled from UK to NZ and attended funerals. Two new covid cases after a long period of no cases at all.

 

It's best to keep the UK citizens separated from the rest of the population for now on. 

 

 

Don't know why the UK would complain about Spain's response.  Britain's tardiness and failure to control it's borders over the virus probably caused far more deaths than otherwise would have occurred.  It isn't tit for tat, just sensible given the current situation. 

1 hour ago, simple1 said:

Good try, not. In the 2010 election BNP won more than 560,000 votes, but later splintered into different factions plus leadership lost the plot and so on. Obviously there would be other groups / individual who identify with the far right (look up current definition of far right ideology). British security agencies have identified far right is growing in numbers.

True enough the security services have said that the far right poses a considerable threat now and that threat is growing.  They are taking it very seriously 

5 hours ago, CorpusChristie said:

They were not far right groups , just people protecting Londons heritage from attacks  

All chanting "Tommy Robinson" as they went.  Just the usual mob of Neanderthals coming out from under their stones when they smell a ruck.  Like their fathers before them, there is nothing new to see here.

21 hours ago, steve187 said:

getting out of hand now, there will nothing left of Britain's past, which can not be undone, the past is the past 

There is a danger that this will become a witch hunt.  Truth is very few of our "heroes" are without their Achilles heel.   People are usually made up of shades of grey, so putting them on pedestals is a risky business.  Dig below the surface and there are usually a skeleton or two hiding.

20 hours ago, Calach said:

If you start combing history and national memory out of all figures whose behaviours and ideas would be unacceptable today you set yourself for quite an endeavour. Even if we think it's justified for this Edward Colston, you'll see it's never going to be enough. 

 

Even Churchill statues will be toppled, for reasons as good as this one. 

 

For all the (sometimes infuriating) conservatism and immobility in my country, I'm glad that kind of silly historic cleansing hasn't caught up with us yet. 

We should never forget the past but these statues are put up as figures to "honour".  What I would like to see is the controversial figures taken down and then re-installed in a museum of slavery.  It would illustrate that we did indeed consider these people to be looked up to but now realise that actually they are figures of shame. 

It would also be an opportunity to expose the reality of slavery in all it's sordid horror.  For too long it has been glossed over and a permanent acknowledgement of how vile the slave trade was and those responsible for it.

20 hours ago, bkk6060 said:

 

UK per capita deaths are out of control.  2 1/2 times that of the US.

So very sad.  What happened?  Why the total mismanagement of this crisis?

I hate to see it and now the total mistrust of the government by its citizens.

Tragic and unbelievable.

 

And yet all too believable I am afraid.  Johnson living up to his original reputation of lying and conning the people.  Promising but never delivering.  As time goes by I am sure other governments will be exposed for their bad handling of the pandemic but you can be sure that Britain will be up there leading the way.

If there was ever a time when the country needed clear leadership and transparency then this is it but with Johnson and his cronies there is no chance of that.  Unfortunately there is nothing we can do about it and so we just have to suck it up. 

31 minutes ago, DoctorG said:

The problem is we cannot tell the difference until they smash a window. There is a side-by-side photo online of a black girl with her protest sign. The second part shows her, minus sign because her arms are full of merch as she comes out of a looted store.

True.  But just as true are the pictures of the white guys masked up burning cars and smashing windows.  I was out there when the poll tax riots were happening in London and the rent a mob thugs were mingling in with the real protestors and then breaking cover to hurl bricks at the police and through shop windows.  Many of these people were carrying posters but as we know when you go to any rally there are banners and posters supplied for anyone who wants them. 

I have been listening to those being interviewed at many of the protest locations in the USA and it is as clear as day that they are not the ones being violent but genuine protestors.

5 hours ago, EVENKEEL said:

So another words the folks who are burning, looting, stealing and injuring the police share no responsibility to all this. it's all the POTUS's fault. That's what the libs instill.

Off Kilter post rather than even keel I would suggest.  Easy mistake to make though.  You are lumping the genuine angry protestors with the opportunist thugs and looters that turn out at just about every emotionally high strung demonstration.

First time I came across it was when I went on the anti-Vietnam rally in Grosvenor Square in London.  We were all there with our CND posters, kaftans and Donovan (Britain's Bob Dylan clone at the time).  Then the thugs arrived covering their faces and using catapults with ball bearings to fire at the police horses.  The mood changed and although some of us tried to fight off the hooligans we were no match to the hardware they had with them.

Then we had the poll tax riots.  Same thing again except this time the looters were out in force as well.  The vast majority of the protestors were ordinary people, many marching with their kids.  But the "riots" will be remembered mainly for the violence and destruction of property, all done by the rent a mob brigade.  These morons come out every time but never have anything to do with the genuine people using their right to demonstrate.

Most people are able to differentiate the separate groups but there will always those who choose to follow their own twisted agenda.  One of them is in the White House.

Well it sounds like she was right to kick him out in the first case.  Anyone who goes round to try and get his wife back with a .38 revolver instead of a bunch of flowers and a bucketful of humble pie deserves everything he gets.  Sounds like a total jerk to me.