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I saw the response earlier yes insane. TIT, OTT. but i did not comment. Perhaps i should so you can understand. The reason that i am doing the marriage visa (first time) is three fold. 1. To start a non o retirement again i would have to start from scratch and get the first outside unless i pay an agent. 2. I can get the marriage visa direct from a visa exempt entry without getting the first non-o outside. 3. I am expecting another job later this year and getting a work permit can be done here from a marriage visa, without having to go out for a non-b. Doing that has a lot lot more requirements and i would likely have to be outslde for several working days because of the new stupid visa processing. requirements

Make sure that your marriage in thailand is fully registered at the amphur. It is not easy getting the non-o marriage visa here. Yes, can be done but there are a lot of requirements you must check out fully. It may be easier getting the non-o outside. You would have to check in japan. You must have the 400,000 baht in the bank the required period. For the first time application, I am not sure if the money has to come from outside thailand, like the retirement visa. Dr Jack may help to advise. First marriage visa non-o is 90 days.if you do not apply for the one year extension after the time reqiuired, then i presume you would have to do it again each time but i do not know and have no idea if/ what complications that would make. Some suggestions are that you come in visa exempt for 60/30 days. If you are doing 3m returns, check how many times you may be able to do that even by air. I only came back into thailand once in march after going out because of the expiry of my work permit. visa exempt entry, and the immigration officer at airport warned me to come back in next time with a visa.

Understood thanks. We have to expect the tests were done to THai standards that are based on the western standards. China has standards, yes, many based well on western standards and many translated into english. They have to be identified on HSR works. They have built enough HSR in china, and have standards specific to HSR. We found that the chinese do not have to create specifications for a lot of HSR Project requirements to suppliers and for products because they are already in national standards. They have standard checklists for works that have to be used. For Civil works there are a large number. They do not have to create them from scratch (previous jobs etc) on each Project as we tend to do in the west. As well as rebar steel, High stength bolts can be just as serious a problem. Had major issues in two mega projects, false records for end product, one on a big airport terminal caused major cost and delays.

Done for HSR, I dont know about the submarines. Review and inspections of HSR work have been confirmed including some testing of steel reinforcing See following link if the forum allows it. https://www.facebook.com/share/p/16TT9ZJXgv/

perhaps getting mixed up between mill certificates for the raw steel (billets) and reinforcement testing. I do not know what the MS is , do you mean mill cerificates for the raw steel. They include chemical composition. Please can you read what i said again. The vulnerability is normally in steel end product certification. Reinforcing steel has its own processing procedures that affect chemical composition. Reinforcing steel output requires chemical composition tests by the factory as well as other properties. There is the vulnderability that they can be falsified by a factory. The end product is a critical point for sampling and testing Standards for independent sampling and testing DO include chemical composition. "Key ASTM Standards for Rebar Testing: ASTM A615/A615M: This standard covers deformed and plain carbon steel bars for concrete reinforcement, specifying requirements for chemical composition, mechanical properties, dimensions, and surface condition. Mandatory Tests: Chemical analysis, tensile test (measuring yield strength, ultimate tensile strength, and elongation), bend test (assessing ductility), and dimensional measurements. " I have previously ensured that project specified requirements match standards, arranged sampling and testing, even done the sampling myself and witnessed testing many times. And i have reviewed testing laboratories for their compliance with standards. FYI, and for others reading, the review and inspections of HSR work have been confirmed including some testing of steel reinforcing (and it included chemical composition). See following link if the forum allows it. https://www.facebook.com/share/p/16TT9ZJXgv/

"For Sure" Where has that been established.? In my experience the comment is not appropriate. To my knowledge and experience it is extremely rare for the intial steel to be suspect, most of the problems found from reinforcing are due to faults in the rebar manufacturing process not in the steel supplied. The testing of the rebar itself is the critical point in the verification of the material and its properties. That is important to recognize. If suppliers of steel were provinding bogus test certificates they would be found out fairly quickly and be investigated that would result in closure of the mill. They would have to be idiots if they thought they could get away with it. Falsifying mill tests of the reinforcing or supplying substandard products can more easily happen without being detected if there is not adequate attention paid to independent sampling and testing of the bars. The testing of samples from site deliveries is specified in standards to protect against this.

The reinforcing is all QC tested under requirements verified by the Supervision Consultant. Just the same as is required on all construction projects, including the auit office that collapsed. However, from what is happening now it creates concern whether it can be trusted. Its not just the HSR, there are many elevated structures for highways and rail lines. Your point is valid and FYI, the department of transport is already looking much more closely at the HSR work and there are extra tests already carried out this week on samples from some of the HSR steel reinforcing.

Update on my application for the first 90 day Non-O. For others reading, i explained earlier that I was clearly told at Chaeng Wattana and at Hua Hin that I cannot go to a Non-O marriage after a work permit. I have to go out of country. However I am advised that agents can do it for a price. I went out of country and came back in visa exempt and have now succeeded today Friday with an application for the first 90 day Non-O here in Hua hin and can report the following. The application is under review now until 22 april. Note Songkran holiday is part of the 17 days. I trust the following may assist in preparing you or others for what may be required. From what I understand, its not the same at all immigration departments. 1. I went on Thursday 3 april to Hua Hin immigration and was told there are a lot more declaration forms to complete than I understood from the three checklists that I had from Immigration online, Chaeng Wattana and Hua Hin in person. Lots of paperwork already, and even more to figure out ! Then I needed a witness, see note 5. I had to give up, go home and reboot for a try the next day. You must go find out at the immigration offiice precisely what forms they need, and try to find out anything not on the checklist. Some are new and not on the checklists. Make sure that you comply with everything on the checklist. The following notes concern extra things that may not be on the checklist, or requirements that may not be clear. 2. For an overseas marriage they accepted the Khor Ror 22 from amphur, togerther with the overseas marriage certificate without any extra legalisation of the overseas certificate - because I had the Khor Ror 22. However the Khor Ror 22 is only valid 60 days. Mine had just lapsed and we had to go out and get a renewal, fortunately I was told that the renewal can be done at any amphur. We had ours originally registered in an amphur 70 km away, but got an update at the local Hua Hin office quickly without any need to resubmit anything. At the amphur, we just had to show original 22 document from before, Wife ID and house book. However , it was a trip out and back to immigration. My situation is only related to an overseas marriage and family registration Khor Ror 22. 3, When we got to see the officer, because my 22 was registered in another district they required my wifes house book there, as well as the house book in Hua Hin. Another disruption, she had to go home and get it. If you are married in a different district than where you are currently living, then this may apply and also result in similar requirement and questions. 4. Because I had a work permit before and this was the first application, they wanted the company details and my work permit etc. I explained that the work permit had expired and my passport showed visa cancelled but they still wanted the copy of work permit, and the record of cancellation Bor Tor 53. I had the work permit copy but not the 53. Had to contact company to get it. Luckily I got it emailed within an hour. Stiil had to go out home and back again to immigration. 5. This was my first application, they wanted evidence of source of the income the last year as well as the bank statement showing over 400K. I already expected this and had the company annual certificate for salary and tax that they asked for (over 400k Salary paid). Then I also had copy of my tax return and receipt that cleared all the hurdles on this. Cleared this one quickly for a change. Thankfully., 6. When I had tried submitting the day before They required a thai witness as well as my wife. This resulted in a lot of head scratching because we have only been in the area about 2 years and do not know very many people as good candidates. The few friends of my wife work during the day. Later I managed to go see an expat I know from the village who has a thai wife and luckily she was ok to help the next day Friday. Although she had to do two visits because we had the intial problems and then agreed to call her again when we thought ok. The witness had to provide Thai id and house book. When they spoke to the lady witness, they asked how long she had known us, Fortunately it was about 2 years and they accepted this as ok. 7. They wanted 2 copies of everything and every sheet signed. Yes, I am serious. Even the witness ID and house book. 8. We accomplished the worst of this in the one day even though back and forth a few times. The officer dealings with us was very helpful and professional. Its so frustrating for us. He must know it and see it many times. Afterwards I think it appropriate to pay compliment for his patience, understanding and the clarity he gave us for what was required.

Perhaps they did not have to return all the documents, Just some notes instead, those notes that have the kings face 😉

They should be more worried that if something happens (not just an Earthquake) nobody knows what is going on, because there are no systems of communicating the situation to the public promptly. The situation and information available after the earthquake was a disgrace. How was anybody to know what was open or closed off, in infrastructure or transport.

It is reported that the structure of the building was complete, although from the pictures i think some of the top floor structure may still have only just been completed. To move the formwork and falsework up a floor will take a lot of time and concrete below will have gained most of its strength by then, its normal in this kind of construction to make the mix gain strength more quickly and 28 day strength will be higher than design. Concrete strengths are required to be checked for the safety of construction of the next floor. So any problem with concrete strength should only be on the last floor cast. Concrete does not take 28 days to cure. Its far less. The 28 day criteria is a Design strength, but this is also with a statistical allowance to ensure only a small percentage can fall below it. So most of the actual strengths achieved are higher. All the people thinking that this was a 7.7 in bangkok need to reboot. It was 7.7 in Myanmar 1000km away. If it was 7.7 in bangkok it would almost certainly have caused serious devastation.

The 7.7 magnitude was in Myanmar, a very long way away. It would have been much less in Bangkok. But nobody seems to be saying what the magnitude was in bangkok. I seached and cannot find it readily. If it was 7.7 in Bangkok, there would have surely been serious devastation, not just one tower collapsing. Some of the upper floor(s) collapsing is not what caused some of the bottom or lower columns to shear and fail at the beginning. That is on some of the videos. Whilst the pancaking may be impressive and will cause other floors to fail from the impacts, It is not the cause of the failure in the first place. And that is what needs to be identified.

Corruption everywhere is well known. The comment was not aimed to "fall back" on the brown envelopes, it was made to counter the "loss of face" which IMHO is not a main reason for the issue.

There was a third party paid to supervise the work. But when there are extremely long delays in construction here (as there was) they rarely get paid any extra for the extension and cut the supervision work to the bare minimum. So this could possibly be part of any problem found in the supervision work. If there are problems found with construction / materials, on the other hand hazard a guess that its possibly down to brown envelopes rather than anything to do with loss of face.

Only concerned about face saving in relation to the government and limited to a a few departments. How could you find out reliable information on what public transport was available? I was looking a few times especially the next morning and it seemed to be extremely diffificult. Mostly some inconsistent media reports. Perhaps others found thec same issue?

There should be the need for qualification or a license for any inspections If any volunteers are a farang, what about the work permit?

Look on the bright side. At least we now have a good probability that a lot of buildings are built well, because they did not suffer any serious damage

And nobody is going to go in and properly protect the wires hanging down on the picture that were likely from a ceiling light, potentially live because a light is on in the background. Or switch off the lighting completely to avoid any fire risk. FFS.

Perhaps they should now be called 'new' cowboy buildings. 😉 Not built well.

FYI, no buildings are earthquake proof. Designs are done to specific levels of ground acceleration specified as horizontal "g" forces appllied to the buidling. The forces used depend on the zone and seismic risk. In more complex structures, finite element analysis is carried out to model behaviour in an earthquake and calculate streses caused. As stated in reports, the mynamar earthquake was near to ground surface and the horizontal movements were much higher than if it had been deeper underground., and perhaps higher than many standards specify. This may also be why the effects carried to distances so far away.

I did for clarity to you. The OP has already been told that so it was a wasate of my time.

Currently 60 days visa exempt. But they are considering changing back to 30 days. You can book an appointment outside to get the first non-o marriage, but because of the evisa system then you should expect to be outside country for at least a week if not 10 days. That would cost you for hotels etc. I went out and returned visa exempt, and will be going to try and get the non-o marriage next week. However its going to be in Hua Hin and I think they have extra requirements on a foreign marriage certificate, even though I have the Khor sor 22. I checked with Chaeng Wattana and would have been ok. I have to see how bad the requirements may be in Hua hin immigration. If they are OTT, then i am going for a visit to Uk in May and can get the non-o there if necessary.

True, but you can get a 7 day extension if you apply and pay for it before the final date. The OP stated that he got a 21 day extension., because it is BOI.

Its very hard to find good workers in Hua Hin. A friend has a house buiulding and renovation company and curses the problems he gets with even the simplest of jobs. I find it hard to get somebody to do some small improvements, and even then end up doing most of it myself because they are usually bad at doing anything properly. FYI, there are faults in the supply of major building materials. I built my own house 15 years ago, i am a chartered engineer and checked things. Reinforcing bars have a system where you can buy below standard sizes that are factory rejects. Roof steel channels have wrong grading stamped on them, the standard size is stamped on the pieces but there are three grades of the standard code sizes sold, I found that the smallest is half the section area of what the code grade should be. Its not cheating, because at the main suppliers you pay for the weight. Unscruplous builders buy them and cheat becxause they appear to be the size stated on the design. No wonder you see roofs sagging. We bought all the concrete materials from consistent sources. I had some mixed initially and made cylinders that I got tested to confirm strength was ok. The local builders thought I was looney. Never seen a slump cone before or made test cylinders.