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Thanks I have been taking LF tests regularly , despite the NHS saying 5 to 6 days Ago that we should not do so. Then the govt suddenly say they Are valid!!! All LF tests were positive until this morning. So it is touch And go. Waiting for test result now. I have checked all the relevant airlines this morning in Manchester airport And will report later. I currently have Thai airways And Emirates As options to fly back. for the sitting at the back its nothing to do with whether I am infectious. If I test positive in BKK you must surely know that people sitting around me will be quarantined ? I want to get back but would be very upset if other people will get quarantined. They will be more upset than me. I consider its imperative to consider others as well and I wil do my best to ensure the airline keeps me isolated. Now I have negative LF tests here its most likely I m no longer infectious, but if my PCR test is now positive here, then it my be tested positive when I land.

Thanks. my PCR tes here in UK is in 6 hours.

I forgot, after being tested positive in Thailand, how long do you need quarantined? If its 14 days then they are within their rights to say that I have to meet the same, so that would be in my case 17th + 14 = 31 last day I may land on 31 so I have an argument to say I am ok then. It may not help anybody sat near me on the plane. I will tell the flight staff that I should be isolated at the back.

Thank you kindly for posting this. What happens in Thailand is just as important as getting on the flight, I think that this may help get things resolved more quickly. Because its new years holiday when I get back, I expect that if I test positive it will take until midweek to get this addressed. I don't mind if I have to do 7 days quarantine. Getting back is more important. I do not want to say anything about being infected to the hotel in advance. Remember TIT. The person doing bookings will almost certainly not know anything about this, may panic and cancel my booking, they can say they are full or whatever to avoid having anybody that may have covid.

I have not seen anything to say there is a limit on the number of days for Thailand for recovery. However Qatar airways verbally said 14 but wanted negative PCR also. In the UK the private providers state that they will give you the certificate 11 days after the test that was positive. That must be because UK is 10 days self isolation after testing positive

You will need to keep checking what is valid periodically. I recall reading some proposals recently that for travel people my be required to have full vaccination and vaccination booster within 6 months of travel. We don't know what will be required. If you want to come back in July, if I was you I would get the booster perhaps in February to ensure it is within 6 months of return. We will clearly have to wait to see what happens with Omicron before any further rules are issued.

Yes, it is possible. As i noted, my worst situation may be testing negative here before flight, then positive in thailand. What do the thais do then? I had my booster on 12 december and got symptoms 16th. They say you need 14 days for booster to be effective. Its impossible to judge what sort of a situation i am in until the pcr tests, test to fly is tomorrow.

There is nobody reporting any such experience yet. I may then be the first to find out. I have read somewhere a few days ago that we will not have to quarantine, and may not have to take the PCR test. However i have so far ignored that until we know what actually happens. TIT and i expect the thais to follow the black and white. The uk is 10 days to release after positive test, some other countries i saw 14.. dont know how the thais may consider it. I expect they may say that i have to stay in hotel quarantine until i have pcr test negative or up to 7 / 10 days My worst situation could be testing negative before flight, then positive when i get to BKK. it may be best if i test positive here and have to use the recovery certificate to fly.

Correct and good. My mistake, they have removed thai pass. The article is dated 23 December and has the previous rules removed. I was checking earlier when the Thai pass was there, that's when the airline was pointing out the requirement I have seen it then but cannot verify now. There is still nothing in the rules stated to allow the recovery certificate with positive PCR. So that may still be a problem. I note that I reported the problem to IATA on the 23 December and I am sure that it was there, and this new version is dated 23 also. Could it be that . . . . . . Its great that you have alerted me to the change thanks, and i potentially have more reason to dispute what the airline says. Its still a problem with the airline, their documented rules still now clearly state as follows: FINNAIR world map requirements Thailand COVID-19 TestRequired Before arrival All foreign passengers, regardless of their vaccination status, must comply with the following pre-departure requirement: Negative COVID-19 RT-PCR test taken 72 hours before departure Test type accepted: RT-PCR Time window: 72 hours before departure from the first embarkation point. Applicable age: not specified. Languages accepted: English. Exemptions: Thai nationals Keep in mind: Ordinary PCR tests or antigen tests are not accepted When I go to Manchester airport on 27th for my PCR test, I am already planning to see finnair there to dispute the requirements with them to try to resolve for my flight on 30th. Trust that you have had a great christmas. Its just coming to midnight now in Thailand.

Thanks treetops But Clause 2 in the map states that a negative PCR test is required. There are no exceptions the rest of the text only deal with sandbox or AQ. The Thailnd Pass has been removed - presumably because it is suspended. Then the clause 3 referring to recovery certificate only relates to vaccination certificate / status see below. The second link only gets me to Sandbox or AQ. This is the problem I have with the airline. They insist on a negative PCR test according to IATA. Its incomplete and false information from IATA. I have made complaint. no response yet 3 d. have a COVID-19 vaccination certificate showing that they were fully vaccinated with AstraZeneca (Vaxzevria), Covaxin, Covishield, Janssen, Moderna (Spikevax), Pfizer-BioNTech (Comirnaty), Sinopharm, Sinovac or Sputnik V at least 14 days before departure; - This does not apply to: - passengers younger than 11 years; - nationals of Thailand between 12 and 17 years with a COVID-19 vaccination certificate showing that they received one dose of AstraZeneca (Vaxzevria), Covaxin, Covishield, Janssen, Moderna (Spikevax), Pfizer-BioNTech (Comirnaty), Sinopharm, Sinovac or Sputnik V; - passengers with a recovery certificate and a COVID-19 vaccination certificate showing that they received at least one dose of AstraZeneca (Vaxzevria), Covaxin, Covishield, Janssen, Moderna (Spikevax), Pfizer-BioNTech (Comirnaty), Sinopharm, Sinovac or Sputnik V at most 3 months after the infection and at least 14 days before departure.

In my opinion not precisely. You are referring to the use of the recovery certificate in case of a positive test. From what i have found in the last 2 days, even if it is actually a negative test (as demanded by the airline), they may require a recovery certificate also if you have recently recovered. People may not think of it that way. IMHO, i now consider the recovery certificate important to get whether the PCR test is positive or negative. I will get one regardless of the test result.

See my post above that provides a clear path to where the rules are on the ministry website, and the text from the official article dated 24 december.

Hi Albert Yes, but the problem is even worse. from my search, it seems that most airlines insist on a negative PCR test regardless of any recovery. The recovery certificate is still required when you have to declare that you recently had covid within the last 3 months. If so, they must then see a recovery certificate to protect themselves against any potential liability to other passengers. One example is qatar airways will only accept passengers at least 14 days after any infection, and with a negative PCR test, At present it appears that i will be ok flying with Thai. The guy I spoke to in Thai airways bangkok was most helpful. Keep my fingers crossed

GOOD NEWS SUCCESS in finding an official answer the question if the recovery certificate is valid. From the CAAT site informed by the THAI employee in Bangkok, I have found the appropriate links. Main site www.caat.or.th takes me to https://www.caat.or.th/th/archives/47858 There the updates are listed Go to "Frequently Asked Questions Thailand Pass FAQs - Update" , CLICK the update This takes you to the ministry of foreign affairs site https://consular.mfa.go.th/th/content/thailand-pass-faqs-2 items are under individual sections but if you go to the bottom you can get a complete download. "Thailand_Pass_FAQ_THAI-ENG__24_Dec_2021__11.00_hrs.pdf" As you can see, this is 24 DECEMBER. on FAQ - Q3 page 7 it states clearly that: ** Applicant is also required to have an RT-PCR test result that is issued within 72 hours before departure and bring the results to present to the Health Control station upon arrival. This requirement is not required for Thai nationals entering under the AQ scheme and for children aged below 6. Please note that your test result must be in hard copy and in Thai or English language only. ** If the applicant’s RT-PCR test result is positive, they must present a COVID-19 recovery form certifying that the applicant has recovered from COVID-19 within 3 months before their travel Also under Q4 it quotes the other statement concerning Documents – Certificate of Vaccination on page 12 item 5 "Those who have recovered from COVID-19 within 3 months before travelling to Thailand must present a valid COVID-19 recovery form or medical certificate certifying that they have recovered from COVID-19 within 3 months before travelling or are asymptomatic in case their COVID-19 RT-PCR test shows a positive result." This is i believe as clear cut as it can be. Therefore i believe Thai Airways should be fine if my airline booked will not take me. In the other CAAT rules i read there is the requirement as follows: (15) For flight with flight time more than 240 minutes, the last 3 seat rows of one side of the cabin should be designated for on-board emergency quarantine measures to isolate the ill or suspected to be affected from COVID-19 traveller (passenger or crewmember) for the reason of surveillance and disease transmission prevention. And in case that the ill or suspected to be affected from COVID-19 traveller (passenger or crewmember) is found in flight, air operator shall implement the on-board emergency quarantine as follows; (a) Such ill or suspected to be affected from COVID-19 traveller (passenger or crewmember) shall be seated at the reserved seat in the quarantine area mentioned above as far away from the other passengers as possible. (b) In case that there are more than one lavatory, the lavatory nearest to the quarantine area should be specifically designated for quarantine purpose. (c) One lavatory may be reserved and used exclusively by crewmember considering sufficiency for passengers. (d) It is recommended to assign specific crew members to provide necessary in-flight service for quarantine area, and the crew members should minimize close contacts (within 2 meters) with other crew members and unnecessary contacts. (e) Flight crew shall notify the air traffic controller at port of disembarkation about information regarding passenger or crew who is ill or suspected to be affected from COVID-19 in order to convey the finding to the airport of entry. (16) There shall be the cleaning and disinfection of equipment in the cabin that With this requirement i expect that I can request to be quarantined there for the flight, so that I am not affecting any other passengers should I test positive when landing in Bangkok. This is a relief because there has to be consideration for other people that i could test positive on arrival and they will be quarantined. From this i feel confident that if my PCR test is positive I can still fly with THAI. I will update in a few days to inform my PCR test result and on how it goes if I have to use the certificate. in the meantime I am starting other medication to see if it helps to clear the virus more quickly before I have the PCR test on 27th.

Yes i will update, i think its very important I let people know what happens. Other people could easily get caught in a similar problem Spoke to Qatar Airways and they will not allow travel for 14 days plus seem to need the negative PCR. I could not get to speak to Thai airways here. Had to send an email asking them to confirm if I can fly with the recovery cert and positive PCR. I rang Thai airways in Bangkok to check. Used my skype account for overseas . It did not take too long. They told me that under their rules i should be ok to travel. They were very helpful and told me to also check the airline rules in detail at www.caat.or.th I am starting to study these covid entry regulations as specified by the Civil Aviation Authority. I trust the details will give me the answer on the issue of using a recovery certificate, one way or the other.

They are related directly to the Thai pass, very recently.

Hi and thanks for the replies. They all help for me to consider the situation as best I can. Seems that i may be the first posting this issue and having to deal with it. It does appear that it may not be possible at all to fly with a positive PCR test, however the Thai requirements do allow it, see Thai embassy FAQ

I have a Thai pass approved. The scheme is suspended but I can travel up to the three day validity. Limit 30th December. If not, its going to be about a month until i get to Thailand and out of quarantine. Add up the timing required. I have no problem going into quarantine when I get back. But thats only if I can fly. If I cannot fly because of a positive PCR then i will not get back. That why the recovery certificate is likely to be critical.

Hi and thanks for joining in the discussion. Unfortunately it is the Airline policies that dictate whether you can get on a flight or not. They do not all precisely align with what governments allow. My airline seems to contradict the fact that their government allows recovery certificates. The airline is stating that they follow IATA regulations. Treetops may be able to help point out where their regulations include for the recovery certificate. I am waiting for response to a query sent to IATA. The GP, NHS call line on several topics all cannot help with a recovery certificate. Taken over a day of multiple calls and no way. They have no obligation to do so if its for international travel out of country. There are private providers. Thai airways requirements clearly list the relaxation of a recovery certificate according to the Thailand requirements. So I expect that I may have to fly with them and cannot use my existing ticket. If my PCR test is positive again. nobody will want to see me according to UK govt laws, So I have to figure this out by the time I get the PCR test result.

Sorry but you need to read up on this. I will not get back if i ignore the realities. The recovery certificate may be the only way i can get back for a month or so. Taking another PCR test carries very high risk of being positive. As i have stated in another post. The evidence from testing is that its likely to be 14 to 30 days to test negative again. More likely 30 . Probably only a 1 in 5 chance that i get clear early. LF test will not help to fly, but they will give me an indication of when the viral load is diminishing. I do have some medication that is reported to help clear covid. Much debate and no certainties, but i will have to try see if it helps clear the covid more quickly.

The PCR advice is correct. That's why countries have the 90 days for the recovery certificate. From the studies published on websites where they retested, Clearance is likely to be in 14 to 30 days, Only something like a 1 in 5 chance it may be cleared early. The Uk has just changed to allowing Lateral flow tests for day 6 and 7. That's despite everything on NHS stating that you should not do any tests following the positive PCR. Something does not add up. I cannot find any information on lateral flow tests that this will prove anything. There should be a PCR test. They are desperate to keep NHS staff in work, instead of self isolating. Understood, I guess its a panic measure. I need to get back. I have a Thai Pass approved for 27th. With validity of 72 hours I can fly up to 30th. Just got to get my act together concerning who i can fly with if i am still positive.

So far I have only found Thai airways that accepts it for boarding. I got nowhere contacting airlines two days and will have to go to Manchester airport to get the facts in person rom the ground staff for checkin I can do that on 27th. I am changing my flight to 30th. That is within the 72 hours validity of the Thai Pass i have got. If my PCR test is positive and my airline will not accept the recovery certificate, then I will have to fly thai airways.

Hi treetops. Thanks. You are correct the recover certificate is accepted and it is on Thai airways guidance. Please can you clarify where you found that on IATA with the link address. I have searched hard and not found it.

The government website states that you should not do another PCR test and if you do another PCR test that is positive after initial positive then you are required to self-Isolate again for 10 days. Its a legal requirement. Private or otherwise. It will be on record. It could affect my insurance claim. So I cannot risk that until I legally have to do the test for the flight and I can get the recovery certificate. The recovery certificate I can only get on 28th. So, I have to do my test as late as possible before flying to hope I get negative. T o rebook my flight i have to get the result prior to 48 hour rebooking airline deadline. With Thai pass approved for 27th i can fly until 30th and that is what I now plan. Take a test on 27th. Get the recovery cert on 28th then I can fly regardless of positive or negative. My problem is that my airline (and many others) insist on a negative PCR test. there is no recovery certificate option. Thai airways is the only one so far that states that a recovery certificate can be used. I cannot get any clarification from airline support, chats, query forms etc. the last 2 days. They refer to IATA rules that only have requirement for a "negative PCR" . I have sent the problem to IATA support yesterday. Trust I may get an answer today / tomorrow. I have to go to Manchester airport on 27th for PCR test and will then check with the main airlines check in staff what they accept. Qatar, Emirates, Finnair, Turkish. That's the only way i will know.

I need any help I can get from somebody returned or knows what happened getting back with a recovery certificate. I am in UK visiting family and friends and unfortunately its my turn to find out the effects of getting Covid. Double jabbed and got the booster 12 days ago, but . . . . . . No issue with health thankfully. Bad throat and a bit of a cough for a few days. No other Covid symptoms Self isolation not too much of a problem. Far easier than 14 day Thai quarantine I have done before. The mental stress is far worse trying to figure out what to do to get back using a recovery certificate. Endlessly calling help lines, support chats etc and getting no help or clarification. Circular loops in websites drive you crazy. NHS do not provide any such certificate. I agree with this, but they could at least inform people on the websites that you have to go to a private provider. Costs between 100 and 150 GBP. Got my new Thai pass , but getting a flight that will allow me to board is not so easy. Stepped up the pressure today for how to fly with formal assistance requests to airline and IATA. I tried some searches on the forum for “recovery certificate” and have found nothing. Two questions 1. Which airlines allowed travel? My airline booked is saying that I must have a negative PCR test and referring to IATA requirements that are not complete and effectively false information. I can see that Thai Airways accept a recovery certificate. Are there any others that people have used? 2. What happens when you land in Bangkok, you have the certificate and get tested positive? Do they allow you to go, or are there special quarantine period or repeat test requirement? FYI, the rules for entry (both sandbox and Test & Go) include the allowance for previously infected people to enter with a PCR test positive provided they have the certificate of recovery. It can take a long time before some people who have been infected may test negative again. I trust that I will not be the first to face this issue and would appreciate any info from others.