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Please also note that i have just been told that if i want the extra days stay after work permit expiry when visa will get cancelled, then i have to go to immigration and do it myself before the expiry , and pay the 1900 baht for an extension.

This is not the sequence as I have been told by my company and confirmed at immigration. Step 1. Cancel extension for a future date. If it is an extension based on work permit from a company, you cannot do it yourself. the company has to do it, and they comply with all the requirements which include the letter for it. So your step 1 is part of the step 1. You do not get a letter from company. They do it for the cancellation. Step 2. Cancel work permit within permitted time after expiry. Company should do this.

You have said "cancel for a future date" That makes a big difference and helps to understand thanks.

If the work permit has to be cancelled before the extension then they both have to be done on the same day. if ahead of time then it needs to be done from outside Bangkok? i said that i am not in Bangkok. I will still be working until the work permit expires so if i have to cancel early i cannot work. I work remotely. I am supposed to work up to the last day. Then i cannot leave the country, unless i do it all on one day, as necessary It needs more explanation please than just saying i told you. As i understand it, there is no need to cancel the work permit for up to 15 days after it expires, so there should be another way of doing this otherwise the 15 days is nonsense, unless i can continue to stay for the 15 days - but i cannot. From what you are saying if the work permit has to be cancelled first, then the work permit has to be cancelled and the extension on the same day, then i presume i must have to immediately get an extension to stay the extra 7 days. That what i now think and needs to be clarified. At present it seems that i am going to have to send my documents to my employer and get them to do cancellations on the same day, which would preferably be the date of work permit expiry. Then i collect the documents either the same day to go to airport, or collect the documents to leave within the 7 days that should be given at immigration.

thanks DrJack I tried the thread but unfortunately i get back the message "We could not find that topic."

Understood thanks. I will have to also read the thread posted by Dr Jack54. Problem I have is that I am based outside Bangkok. I have to consider how to get my extension cancelled at immigration the same day I am going to leave Bangkok. The work permit will not have been cancelled when I leave if i leave a day or two before it expires. The employer is responsible and has 15 days to do so. I presume that I will need the letter from my employer to take to immigration to cancel the extension. My employer is very good in support of things and I can ask them how to do this.

If you want to marry in UK then you need to look at uk requirements notification period etc, where you can do it. The lady has to be with you in UK , both for notification and the marriage. Then certification afterwards for recognition in Thailand if necessary. Best to get a UK marriage certificate legalised and translation certified by Thai Embassy in UK. Some Amphur's may require that to get registered in Thailand . Mine in Prachuap asked about it , showed us an example, but still processed the Khorsor22 registration ok with just the uk marriage certificate and a certified translation. However you are still required to be both together at the amphur for the registry. Surely it will be quicker and easier if you can get married in Thailand and registered immediately. Both options to get registered in Thailand depend if you can fly, if you are on cancer treatment unfortunately maybe not. If you cannot, then surely its best to do the first alternative and trust that the will is done and very clear. Best wishes that you can get this processed quickly.

I need some help to clarify cancelling my work permit when it expires on 7th March and the associated extension of stay. Grateful if somebody can clarify some issues or refer me to a recent thread. Some advice states that I have to get a letter from my employer. Others say that I can use a signed letter stating I want to cancel my Work Permit and Non-B Visa. But that seems to be if I do it myself. However from a thread here I understand that the employer is responsible to notify the Labour Department within 15 days. Is this correct? Then I simply give it to my employer to cancel. I was told at immigration that I have to cancel the work permit then cancel my visa extension of stay. Do I have to cancel the extension of stay? The problem I have is that I think that I will leave country a day or two before the work permit expires and give it to my employer to cancel. Then I cannot cancel the existing extension of stay. When I go out of country, I will be coming back in visa exempt to get a married non-o 90 day. When I return I presume that i can just tell the immigration officer to ignore the old extension of stay. Will that be ok?

Thanks. Its starting to look as if a KorSor 22 may be ok, but its risky applying for non-o in uk without the legalised, etc translation. I will try to find out next week what Chaeng Wattana ask for here to change directly to Non-O 90 day. However I suspect i will have to get the legalisation of marriage certificate etc done in the UK.

I have been looking at possibly using Vietnam Ho Chi Minh for a Non-O. I have friends there I can visit. The website has the attached notice for processing time, 5 working days after the visa application approved. So you could expect to be there at least a week. I have not yet researched all the problems from the evisa system and have a question if somebody can answer please. If you go to the country and make the application, is it ok to go out to another country and return. I would expect it should be ok. So I go to HCMC complete the application. Fly to Hong Kong for a few days to see friends. Fly back to HCMC, then use the Evisa to fly back to Thailand.

Thanks again. will look at this.

thanks, understood and i agree. I have that as my number 2 alternative and likely to be easiest. First i will go to Chaeng Wattana and see if they will change the Non-b to non-o marriage with the korsor 22. I know that it is possible, but they may still ask for all the certification requirements on our marriage certificate. I do not have them. I only have the certificate and translation. The amphur accepted them to do the korsor 22.. I need to know if the marriage certifications are going to be a problem, because i could still face the issue for the 12 month extension later. I am still currently registered as living in Bangkok (part time work for another two months), will change to hua hin as soon as i can depending what CW say.

Hi Dr Jack54 and other people reading this thread. I looked at the post referred, and note that somebody said in the thread in 2024 that thai embassy document requirements had been slimmed down. I am trying to change from a non-b (based on work permit) to 90 day non-o for marriage. In theory I should be able to, but hua hin immigration say that they do not do it,and i will have to go out of country. I may need to go the UK to get the non-o for marriage and need to check any update on marriage certificate requirements. The Thai embassy website states the requirement as follows: "Proof of relationship to a family in Thailand, eg a copy of marriage certificate / birth certificate / certificate of adoption". I had a marriage to my thai wife in uk and have the marriage certificate and a translation into thai. But also, I have recently got the marriage registered in the amphur and now have the kor sor 22. Previously some time ago the thai embassy required a UK marriage certificate to be certified in the UK by FCO and certified by them. But if I already now have a korsor22 marriage registered in Thailand, then that may not be necessary. Does anybody know or have experience recently with similar at the uk thai embassy and can they confirm for the uk marriage / certification requirements in uk. I will have to send a query to the thai embassy, but would be grateful for any knowledge by others.

Either what you say is true or not. And i advise that it is pasting a picture that is not correct and can confuse people. So there is no need to dismiss it as if i am wrong. if i am barking up the wrong tree and not telling the truth then there is no point in me trying to help people. i have seen enough misinformation or poor opinion in the related subjects and will post sometimes to try to correct things. I advise that you should not confuse people with remarks that may not be true. Today i have pointed out some specific misunderstandings on DTA's and i will post to help people when i see something where i can help. No point in commenting again on people who clearly have incorrect opinions.

i note that health insurance cost was an allowance. that sounds appropriate. thanks. i need to check any limits.

the oz DTA does not state "where it was earnt". I have seen some DTAs that specifically state that, but unfortunately the oz DTA does not state it.

it is necessary to read and understand clause 19 fully. i have seen posts where people misinterpret the wording , not just for oz. It is clear. Pension is only taxable in the contracting state of residence. if you are resident here, it is only taxable here - if remitted. but you could offset any tax paid in oz. Clause 20 is specifically excluding income / pensions from government service. Please note that in Thailand pension is classed as income. Capital gains is also classed as income here. at present only if remitted to thailand.

? I thought there are a lot of brits here (and australians), and that is not true for the respective DTAs. except for government service. UK DTA does not cover pensions (except for gov service) The OZ DTA, pension is only taxable in the contracting state that you are resident. (except gov service) . if you are resident here, that means tax in thailand. The personal pensions will be taxable here, if remitted. but any tax paid in uk/oz can be offset. A standard UK state pension is just below the income tax threshold in uk, no tax paid. but the amount is above the thresholds in Thailand, so some tax would be due here , although not very large due to allowances

In that case you are only referring to a US consideration. Not for anybody else. So if that is the case then it clarifies.

? Please clarify where this is stated In thailand pension is classed as income. Its something that i see on the tax, legal advice and investment sites , and they all seem to state the same.

Understood. Clause 19 governmental service clause 2 applies to exempt the pension (unless you got Thai nationality). Your case may be hard to judge for the Thais if they can see that its coming from an investment scheme. It may depend on how your bank shows the amounts in their information to TRD. Maybe best that you check how the bank shows the income account / amounts in your statements or what they report. So it will only be regarded as "pension" income. There are standard forms for what the banks have to report for CRS. I did manage to find the standards but cannot readily understand them. There is a lot involved. It would take some effort that I do not need to spend yet. I do not know whether an individual can ask to see the information sent by the bank to the TRD. FYI, I have just seen my offshore bank statements for end 2024. They show transactions through the year and when I transferred my personal pension out from trustees to the bank in 2024,they show a code PEN with reference number. That may signify that the bank has classed it as from pension funds which had been stated on the inward remittance from my trustees. A "PEN" code was shown against the transfer out I just made recently directly to my thai wife as a gift. Plausible that the amount is currently being classed against pension Income.

Just checking, for item 2 that would be correct if using clause 19 for services rendered in the discharge of governmental functions. For category 1 however, you still have a liability for the income on the investment. But currently only if you are remitting it to Thailand (unless they change to worldwide income). If the income is small then it should not be a problem regarding tax, however if it is large you need to work it out. But be careful. If you are remitting say 400 to 500, 000 baht under 1. and get investment income / gains of 10% then you may think that by ratio the taxable amount may be negligible. However the TRD may consider that the remittance is from only the income gained, then the picture can change markedly. Your Oz bank will exchange their information with Thailand under the CRS requirements. Investment gains is either income or capital gains. For Thailand capital gains is taxed as income. So either way the investment gains are income, regardless of how Australia treats it. I suggest that you need to get the Oz bank to work out how you can split the account into two, savings from before 2024 and put investment income/ gains into the second account before each year end for the statements by the oz bank. Then only make transmittals from the savings part and be able to prove it from the bank information for each year end. Basically, do not remit from the gains on the investment. You can use that in Oz . This is the same potential issue for me (and other people?). I do not transmit money here yet. But in the future will need to do so. I plan to do what i have stated. However, if the TRD changes to worldwide income it will not be any use.

My Thai wife has just finished chemotherapy on the Thai Health system for breast cancer, in hua hin As people have commented , we pay so little that we are very luky. But It was very hard getting everything approved through the system to start. My wife did extremely well getting all the Tests and verifications from home province, home district and original surgery in Bangkok Hospital. She has a strong will, but it still caused much hardship. Its also hard because the state hospitals are so crowded and you need to get there early in the Queue, before 7am. Then you may be there most of the day. She has just started follow up laser treatment in Ratchaburi. Same issue hospital swamped with people from about 7am. We aim to get there by 7am, even though she has started the ball rolling. I commend what is provided under the Thai system, but FYI its hard going through all the bureaucracy and very long waits at the hospitals.

Yes, you are correct . I stand to be corrected, but we are talking about the new rule changes here and if tax returns will now be required. There is likely to be a lot more attention from the TRD for any remittances.

Yes, that may have been the situation in the past. The tax requirement on remittances change is from 1st jan 2024. So its only after the end of this tax year that we will find out how if and what happens.