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11 hours ago, rkidlad said:

I think someone ‘might’ have mentioned that the British authorities tested and found no semen also. 

 

There are two police forces here. One we can trust and one we can’t. The RTP should really state the British authorities have tested also and found no semen. Would be so easy to for the RTP to do and score points. They haven’t. The British haven’t. 

 

 

The police will disclose the results to the family and let them decide what they want to do with it. 

It would be irresponsible of them to announce the results to the public as this wasn’t a crime in the UK and the work was conducted at the family’s request. 

If they didn’t find semen it would be interpreted by some that the girl is lying when it only means there wasn’t any traces of semen on the shirt. 

On 10/19/2018 at 2:23 PM, AleG said:

(*) Possibility 1, the girl named the spot, the problem then is that now she says she doesn't know where it happened, so unless she suddenly developed amnesia there's at least one lie within those two statements.

Possibility 2, the mother is the source of the supposed location, how would she know if not from her daughter? Someone else perhaps, why that someone else didn't provide testimony when the RTP went to the UK then?

Possibility 3, the Samui Times made it up, I think that's the most likely because it's patently obvious that they tried really hard to frame the alleged rape as connected to the 2014 murders. This possibility begs the question, why would the alleged victim, and her mother, still hang around these people if they have twisted the case to suit their own agenda? A few days ago I saw the mother still using the Samui Times as her means to make public statements.

If we assume the girl is telling the truth about having no memory of where she woke up, and if she didn't change her story, then the location must have been invented by ST.

As for why the mother is still hanging around those people, my guess is because they lend a sympathetic ear and she doesn't have anyone else to rely on.

4 hours ago, luk AJ said:

I made the same comparison, i like the beasty character of the Mustang but the 5l natural aspirated engine is old school. I had a similar engine in the BMW M5 E60 ( 2005!) which was replaced by the 4.4l twin turbo in the F60 and now in the all new model E90. Unfortunately price in Thailand is 15mill ++
The upgraded MB C43 AMG coupe (to be available in Thailand end of this year) improved exactly on the points that turned me off on the present model.
The bigger turbos also leave more room for re-mapping up to 500HP.
The MB C43 is also cheaper than the Mustang, so I think for the first time in my life I will go for the MB.
 

Make a post in the forum with your impressions when you drive it. The C43 is getting a hp boost and the sports exhaust. Anything else?

If the V8 Mustang was 1m cheaper I'd consider it. I have a feeling value will drop off a rock for resale.

It won’t trigger anything. I have transferred in amounts far higher. 

Your bank in Thailand may give you a call with their exchange rate and ask you if you are ok to convert at that rate. That’s it. 

So is anyone considering one of these? Got to admit a V8 would be nice, but for the cost the Benz C43 is attractive- not to mention the better build quality, amenities, and image in Thailand. 

If you look at sites like Chobrod and Taladrod you can get a sense of costs. For popular models prices are generally in line with one another. Bear in mind there can be quite a big difference for the same model and year in spec/trim. For example a new from the dealer Honda Jazz bottom spec vs top spec is a very big range, so you'll see that reflected too in used cars. And of course high or low KMs and condition will impact on price too. 

41 minutes ago, cyberfarang said:

So if the Met Police have found something, why are the girl`s family keeping it quite?

 

Reason: because if any remnants of sperm were found on the tee-shirt that identified a male by name or even by race, that person would become a rape suspect that I suspect would be another western tourist, probably one of the party she was with and not the phantom smiling Thai guy or Asian guy she described.

Bear in mind that according to a previous article the Thai police got the shirt from the UK police. Not sure if this is 100% correct but in such case if no sperm was found by the Thai police it's likely none were found by the Met police too. This could explain the disappointment by the family and accusations that the British government is whitewashing the incident. 

The semen stain was supposedly pointed out to the girl by her roommates after she got back to the room. One discrepancy is in earlier articles (eg. The Mirror) the shirt was black. Later reports (eg. The Nation) say the shirt handed over to police was blue. 

34 minutes ago, brianj1964 said:

theres a suggestion by someone on FB that he was overtaking another vehicle, so he would have been on the wrong side

If the photo posted earlier is correct there's a divided section there so he couldn't have been on the other side.
 

The trash collector might have been picking up bottles and other debris that were in the center median, though.
 

Just the other day I was driving back from Rayong and there were some people cutting plants in the center divider. One of the workers was sitting in the road with a single cone a few meters behind him. Fortunately visibility was very good and people were driving around him but that's a very dangerous place to be as you don't expect someone to be sitting or walking in the fast lane of a road. 

1 hour ago, hsovereign said:

The statement from the family saying they are very disappointed that the Thai police did not find any dna.  Obviously the family wouldn't of singled the Thai police out if the MET had also found nothing.  

I don't understand her statement as the Thai police said they actually did find DNA from a man and woman but no traces of the semen that was supposed to have been on the shirt. Obviously the mother couldn't be talking about her daughter's semen so I can only guess that someone told her, "the police found nothing" or something similar and she took that to mean the police found no DNA at all. 

As for the Met, they received the shirt weeks ago for testing. Haven't seen any update on the result, though the mother accused the British police of "whitewashing" the case for the sake of diplomacy. So maybe the family was told something they didn't want to hear. 

13 hours ago, sumrit said:

I remember in the early days of this story where it was stated that the beach itself, in the area that the girl/her mother indicated that alleged rape took place, was actually under water at the alleged time of the rape (around 1:00am) because it was high tide so there was no area of the beach that was above sea level. 

Now, I can possibly understand her not recognizing a beach area you're not familiar when shown photos by the police but I'm sure as hell I'd remember if I was underwater when I woke up. And, after such a traumatic experience, even in a dazed state I'd be trying to remember some sort of landmark, yet (again from memory) I'm sure her/her mother named some places she'd visited, before the alleged rape, with the men she was sharing her room with, but, according to this article, she now appears not to be able to remember anywhere she had been to. 

Yes that's something that changed from the very first ST article to now. In the beginning the report was that she was raped not far from the rocks where the murders took place. So the focus then was if it would be possible given the tides. Now it appears she has no idea at all where it took place at all. 

That said, it might not be her fault. I wouldn't put it past ST to have made up details like that on their own. Their first article desperately wanted to tie the rape back to the murders. They even put a picture of someone in the article to make it look like he was a suspect despite no evidence at all. 

10 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

That reminds me of an accident years ago in Bangkok. A Porsche driver hit someone and ripped the body in two parts.

Then he continued to drive to somewhere else - I think he somehow didn't notice the impact.

As far as I remember the guy was never properly punished. TiT

That was here in Bangkok. He definitely noticed the impact as half the body was in the passenger side of the car after having gone through the windshield. 

He went to the nearest gas station and called his parents. Later they paid the family of the worker and he got a suspended sentence. 

That one was just speeding. This one seems it could have alcohol as a factor too. Guy’s family is very wealthy so it will be interesting how this plays out. 

5 minutes ago, BigC said:

She was lying and there is evidence to prove it but like most pros they don’t show all there cards to the press or to anyone until they are needed

 

even with internet facts and stories doesn’t take a clever person to work out that something doesn’t make sense

 

1. She admitted to cheating on her boyfriend 

 

2. Her boyfriend had a fight with someone Forang at full moon

 

3. She went to koh tao to report it 

 

4. She carried on enjoying her holiday before she went home and told her story

 

if someone was raped I doubt they would carry in their holiday specially if they thought they were worried about their life

 

they would be ont he first plane out or at least report to British embassy 

 

she seened to casual around the alleged event 

 

but sticking to her story for maybe a 3rd reason 

If there was evidence to prove it the police would likely have come out with it by now instead of flying all the way to London. 

Are the first two points confirmed? Definitely seems like something could be up given she broke up with her BF and was traveling around with the new guy. But I can't recall her admitting it. 

1 hour ago, cass74 said:

I get the ST is not the best but it doesn’t get everything wrong and this came from the girls mother and they weren’t the only ones to report it. I found it interesting that as the girl had seen the attacker and the ST had spoke to the mother and 1 of the photos they produced was as you said a known suspect in the double murder.  As a tourist the girl wouldn’t have known that info.

Unfortunately, that photo was posted by ST on their own- the person wasn't identified by the girl. The article was extremely misleading in that respect.  

She hasn't been able to give a description of the attacker as she says she can't remember what happened. 

13 minutes ago, hsovereign said:

Another lucky escape for the evil that terrorises Koh Tao.  One day the local people will be able to shed light on to the corrupt cockroaches that run things there. Shame that the British police let a chance to expose the culprits go. They should have taken a dna sample first.  When will it end? 

That's funny, whenever local people voice out anything contradictory to the Death Island narrative they're called liars, biased, or afraid. 

As for the Brits, who knew the UK government would stand up to Russia but fold like a house of cards when facing the might of the all-powerful Koh Tao mafia. 

32 minutes ago, smileydude said:

They should have gotten the shirt checked by both the metropolitan police forensics and RTP forensics to confirm for fairness and credibility.

 

Was it not checked by the Met police? T-shirt was handed over to them for the purposes of testing. 

47 minutes ago, Sydebolle said:

My trip to all those young backpackers = stay away from Thailand in general and such mafia-infested islands like Koh Tao. Visit i.e. Myanmar instead, more beautiful, more pristine and with much nicer people. 

Unless you happen to look like a Bangladeshi!

1 hour ago, Kerryd said:

I actually had - wait, I have to recount them - seven bookmarks to threads about this particular case and every one of those threads has apparently been deleted !

That's a shame. 

I wasn't doubting you, just wondering where the info came from as with these sorts of cases facts can swirl around and get mixed together with speculation. If the woman went to the beach with the roommate, and then woke up next to the roommate. Then it doesn't look very good for the roommate!

4 minutes ago, cyberfarang said:

Love to know what the girl`s boyfriend thinks of all this, considering no one has come forward except dear mother to support the girl`s accusations. Whatever, I guess the girl`s alleged rape claim has lost all credibility with her boyfriend and friends, including the public opinion.

The boyfriend was interviewed early on. He didn't say too much, only that he believed her and the reason they broke up wasn't to do with the rape. 

21 minutes ago, rkidlad said:

Yeap, if you ever wanna protect your reputation, claim you were raped. Works every time.

Happened recently with the French policeman.

A woman had a serious case of regret and decided that accusing him of rape was better than explaining why she slept with a *gasp* black man. People immediately assumed he was guilty. If it wasn't for the witnesses and other evidence he would still be in jail today. 

19 minutes ago, cyberfarang said:

Reason, because no rape happened, that`s why.

 

She was partying on the evening in question, this somehow got back to the boyfriend, probably by friends or those that were with her at the time, she decides to claim rape to protect her own reputation. I`ve said this all along and also predicted that no convincing statement will come forward from this girl.

That's one possibility but we can't know that for sure. 

Another possibility could be that she was raped, by the male roommate she was seen with, but in her state she didn't remember who the attacker was. That might explain why the roommate seemed so concerned about her and followed her to KP to the police station there. The roommate supposedly came back to KT alone to supposedly file a report there, though there wasn't any record of him trying.

The police at one point said they wanted to interview the roommates but her allegation was weeks later and by that time they had all left the country. 

16 minutes ago, jgarbo said:

From what news I've seen, the girl returned quickly to UK before making her allegations, so presumably the UK police did the DNA & semen tests.

Presumably so, though I haven't seen any result from the UK police. Only that the family handed the t-shirt to the UK police and yesterday the Thai police said they received the t-shirt from the UK police. 

In the previous murder trial the results of the UK police investigation were given only to the families, so that might happen here too. 

1 hour ago, simoh1490 said:

Oh wait.....the location couldn't be described, the perpetrator couldn't be described, there was no DNA, no witnesses, only hearsay....if you were the RTP what would you do with all that, start a manhunt for somebody or arrest a Burmese!

That's very true, though one thing the RTP shouldn't have done is loudly proclaim that the rape didn't happen. No matter how far-fetched the story may seem all they can possibly conclude is there is no evidence to substantiate her claim that a rape took place, and that's it.

7 minutes ago, rkidlad said:

Okay, so again, do you have confirmation it was 'the UK authorities' who tested the shirt? Conjecture doesn't help when there's a heavy dose of doubt. 

 

Oh, and the local authorities did a DNA test within 24 hours when they tested the headman's son back in 2014/15. 

 

And one more thing, they only just got the t-shirt back? 'Only just' means when? 

Read what I wrote again. I said we can't conclude who tested the shirt, but that hasn't stopped people in this thread from assuming it was the Thai police and therefore in their minds the test has no validity. 

And I said the police just came back to Thailand. It could have been an express test done here, sure. But it seems logical that the UK police actually went through with the testing that the family themselves said they would do.

Let's see what the UK police announce, if anything. Clearly the mother isn't happy with the UK police from what was said yesterday. 

16 minutes ago, Megasin1 said:

Don't confuse jurisdiction, the UK police will come to whatever conclusion they come to on a crime committed in UK, however for a crime, or alleged crime committed outside their jurisdiction they will be bound by many rules which may affect how they respond.

That's true, and in the murder case they could only give evidence to the families not the court as the death penalty was involved. Let's see what, if anything, the UK police will say regarding their analysis. 

Given the family already said they were unhappy with the British police it doesn't seem like they are supporting the allegation of rape. 

45 minutes ago, ZAKY said:

Too easy to blame, false evidence and false accusation need to be punished by law. She should be ban from thailand for the bad reputation she is spreading. 

On the other hand she might honestly believe she was raped.

There is a difference between someone who believes they were raped when they weren’t, like the recent case of the woman in her room. And someone who knows they are lying, like the woman who tried to accuse the French police officer of rape. 

We can’t assume she is malicious as there’s no evidence. Just like there isn’t any evidence of rape so the police can’t conclude that one happened.