in my hospital experience in thailand no lack of nurses with robotic thinking

WUI;   walking under the influence

2 hours ago, webfact said:

He said Ethanol can be used for sanitizing surfaces and cleaning wounds but should never be ingested. 

ethanol is the normal alcohol in all alcoholic beverages thus people all over the world are drinking it every day.

people even drink bacardi 151 which is 75.5% ethanol.

it may be packaged differently in the pharmacy but chemically it is the same unless they add another ingredient to make it difficult to drink.

most will not drink ethanol bought at the pharmacy.

here is a very good video true story about a guy that drank isopropyl alcohol case presented by medical personnel

6 hours ago, blazes said:

7 hours ago, heybruce said:

I wonder how the Russian people will respond to this once the virus starts massively spreading (if it isn't already) in their cities.

 

Before Trump the US played a leadership role in helping other countries in crisis.  Now Russia and China are the world leaders and the US is reduced to accepting handouts from Russia.  How does that fit in with MAGA?

 

Congratulations:  you are the first on this thread to turn an act of charity between two world powers into the small-mindedness of anti-Trump hysteria.

not to mention the innate "small mindedness" of some on this forum

article; no mention of super spreader or her name

1 hour ago, heybruce said:

1 hour ago, JHolmesJr said:

 

You'll never get it.

Another promise made and kept.

Maddow just delivered Trump another wining campaign advert.

Keep it up Rach!

You have a very distorted view of reality.

isn't that why we are all on the thaivisa form.  hehe

1 hour ago, atyclb said:

 

be forewarned loss of smell (anosmia) is common in alcohol abuse and explains why some douse themselves in cologne or perfume in excess

not kidding

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2006/07/060725092208.htm

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3879530/

1 hour ago, JHolmesJr said:

Great job by Trump and all personnel to get this ship to NY on time

despite idiots like Rachel Maddow.

r maddow is far from an idiot (a rhodes scholar if i recall correctly) but she is paid to follow a specific narrative

On 3/31/2020 at 9:43 AM, Skallywag said:

On 3/31/2020 at 5:12 AM, webfact said:

1,000-bed U.S. Navy hospital ship arrived in New York Harbor and docked on Manhattan's west side on Monday (March 30) after departing Norfolk, Virginia

 

Hospitals in the city have been overrun with patients suffering from COVID-19, the respiratory illness caused by the virus. New York state accounts for almost half the country's more than 152,000 cases and more than 40% of its more than 2,800 deaths,

Might as well just tell severely infected to visit the local mortuary and lay in a coffin.  1,000 beds is not what is needed.  30,000 ventilators is what is needed.

 

Anyone who does meet the demographic and are currently not exhibiting "severe" symptoms, should not be given a hospital bed, no matter how good their insurance is. 

There are no drugs for a "flu" virus...fluids, rest, and ultimately a ventilator if respiratory system is failing is all that can be done.

"There are no drugs for a "flu" virus...fluids, rest, and ultimately a ventilator if respiratory system is failing is all that can be done."

Hmmm, no drugs for treatment, ok professor, you should contact mass general hospital, harvard medical school ASAP and inform them their Covid 19 treatment algorithm is wrong.  see below

https://www.massgeneral.org/assets/MGH/pdf/news/coronavirus/covid-19_domID_treatmentGuide_figure1.pdf

On 3/31/2020 at 7:55 PM, Skallywag said:

Article below says only 2,352.

This is the thing I do not understand.  I grew up with flus, worked in Alaska for 20 years and saw many many people get the flu, only a few went to a hospital.  There is no "treatment" for flu other than fluids and bed rest.  Those who reach the viral pneumonia stage need hospitalization and ventilators. 

 

"In New York, the number of people hospitalized was 9,517, up 12 percent from yesterday. Of those, 2,352 are in ventilator-equipped intensive care rooms"   

 

So why are an additional ~7,200 people being admitted into hospitals if they are not on ventilators?

From March 30.  

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/30/nyregion/coronavirus-new-york-update.html

admission criteria is not limited to requiring a ventilator. comorbid diseases needing support/treatment, some are social= have no help where they live and are too fragile/old debilitated to care for themselves. some require supplemental oxygen short of intubation, etc etc

1 hour ago, lannarebirth said:

It is hard to understand why the arrival of a hospital ship would require dredging, unless it was sent to a wharf/pier that was unaccustomed to receiving ships of any kind. A hospital ship carries virtually no cargo, so should be relatively shallow drafted.

perhaps it was pre-stocked to maximum weight capacity with medical supplies, water, etc etc ??

or other possibility you mentioned

1 hour ago, DrTuner said:

1 hour ago, 3NUMBAS said:

https://www.livescience.com/coronavirus-diarrhea-symptoms.html

 

Diarrhea is first sign of illness for some COVID-19 patients

By Rachael Rettner - Senior Writer 19 hours ago

Some never develop respiratory symptoms at all.

 

Another interesting, seemingly rare symptom is loss of smell and taste: https://www.livescience.com/covid-19-symptoms-loss-smell-taste.html

 

An early warning indicator, if you lose the sense of smell or taste, it might well be COVID-19. 

be forewarned loss of smell (anosmia) is common in alcohol abuse and explains why some douse themselves in cologne or perfume in excess

2 hours ago, wombat said:

4 hours ago, atyclb said:

 human trafficking.

that threw me, i couldn't see how that works

that would mean the guy was using the little girl and/or mother to make money

3 hours ago, 3NUMBAS said:

this is more likely to work

 

https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/checkpoint/audio/2018740956/pandemic-scientist-makes-breakthrough-on-covid-19-cure

 

'Pandemic' scientist makes breakthrough on Covid-19 cure

From Checkpoint, 6:10 pm on 31 March 2020

 

very interesting, honest and candid interview.  anything/everything can potentially help

3 hours ago, hotchilli said:

4 hours ago, atyclb said:

no elaboration on human trafficking. was it the step dad was exploiting the little girl selling flowers?

 

was he exploiting the girls mom?

Probably both

after getting educated on human trafficking and personally knowing a lovely innocent gal that was trafficked by her boyfriend aka pimp i have a sore spot for the despicable trade.  luckily she largely broke away but went through hell .

labor and/or sex exploitation is the modern day satan

5 hours ago, atyclb said:

13 hours ago, Curt1591 said:

However, if you were going in for the same care in a hospital in your homeland, you can easily "lose" much more.

I spent 900,000 baht (insurance covered) on a procedure at BKK Hospital. It was performed with a huge staff attending, recovered a couple nights in a private room outfitted like a 4 star hotel including a mini bar (no alcohol). 

Since the surgeon has an identical clinic in the US, I asked him how it compared to the same procedure Stateside. He said the staff would be much smaller, less equipment, and I would recover in a multi-patient ward. It would be billed out at close to $100,000 (3 million baht).

 amorn poomee ??

he is a Canada/US residency trained plastic surgeon had office in usa and thailand

43 minutes ago, GroveHillWanderer said:

This. I am absolutely keeping an open mind about this. I think hydroxychloroquine shows some extremely interesting and promising anti-viral properties, according to what I've read. I would love it if we can find out that it works, and if it does, what the safe and effective dose is, how and when it should be administered to patients etc.

 

However, keeping an open mind also means not just blindly believing every new claim that's made and putting all our faith in a promising but as yet unproven treatment. Nothing in the evidence presented so far, establishes hydroxychloroquine (either alone or in combination with azithromycin) as the definite cause of the lessening of the viral load in the patients studied by Raoult and his team.

 

Of course, it should be studied but using the proper scientific principles that would allow doctors to be sure that giving it to patients is the right thing to do.

 

I would still stick with the sentiment expressed by the French CNGE Scientific Council when they say that prescribing this drug now:

 

 

Once the proper scientific studies are done and the evidence is in, then we'll know what the outcome is but for now, as I said in opening, I'm keeping an open mind.

you sort of remind me of a bitter masters or PhD medical school professor, bitter because he had always wanted to be an M.D., and was smart enough to teach us but didn't/couldn't join us.

27 minutes ago, GroveHillWanderer said:

This. I am absolutely keeping an open mind about this. I think hydroxychloroquine shows some extremely interesting and promising anti-viral properties, according to what I've read. I would love it if we can find out that it works, and if it does, what the safe and effective dose is, how and when it should be administered to patients etc.

 

However, keeping an open mind also means not just blindly believing every new claim that's made and putting all our faith in a promising but as yet unproven treatment. Nothing in the evidence presented so far, establishes hydroxychloroquine (either alone or in combination with azithromycin) as the definite cause of the lessening of the viral load in the patients studied by Raoult and his team.

 

Of course, it should be studied but using the proper scientific principles that would allow doctors to be sure that giving it to patients is the right thing to do.

 

I would still stick with the sentiment expressed by the French CNGE Scientific Council when they say that prescribing this drug now:

 

 

Once the proper scientific studies are done and the evidence is in, then we'll know what the outcome is but for now, as I said in opening, I'm keeping an open mind.

when did i ever espouse blindly believing every claim out there?

 choose the sentiment you like.

i choose optimism until proven otherwise

covid 19  research in australia

no elaboration on human trafficking. was it the step dad was exploiting the little girl selling flowers?

was he exploiting the girls mom?

8 hours ago, Curt1591 said:

However, if you were going in for the same care in a hospital in your homeland, you can easily "lose" much more.

I spent 900,000 baht (insurance covered) on a procedure at BKK Hospital. It was performed with a huge staff attending, recovered a couple nights in a private room outfitted like a 4 star hotel including a mini bar (no alcohol). 

Since the surgeon has an identical clinic in the US, I asked him how it compared to the same procedure Stateside. He said the staff would be much smaller, less equipment, and I would recover in a multi-patient ward. It would be billed out at close to $100,000 (3 million baht).

 amorn poomee ??

1 minute ago, britanicus said:

I would place a large bet that if the naysayers, Trump haters and the big pharma conspiracy fans had a bad dose of the virus and were offered chloroloquine twice a day, they would be quite happy to give it a go!

agree.  when they glance through their eyes and see eternity in front of them suddenly the drug touted by their arch enemy trump becomes viable

1 hour ago, GroveHillWanderer said:

The debate is definitely not over - and especially not in France. Many doctors and scientists there are decrying this move as a precipitous and short-sighed caving in to media-led hysteria.

 

According to the Scientific Council of the CNGE (National College of Teaching GP's) in France, in a statement issued 3 days ago:

 

Is there a place for hydroxychloroquine in CoVid-19 treatment?

 

The French Society of Pharmacology and Therapeutics also warns against its use.

 

Its website notes that both chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine have a narrow margin of safety, meaning that effective doses and toxic doses are relatively close. 

Chloroquine hype triggers rush on pharmacies

 

Another France24 article reports on a second claim by the same French researchers about hydroxychloroquine and again casts doubt on the results.

 

 

Second study on malaria drugs for CoVid-19 treatment

i gave your post a "like" because it shows what normally happens with many new/such treatments. usually have for and against and the old school mentality that insistes on the tedious double blind extensive painstaking study which is fine but such a study is not a reality during a global apocalyptic pandemic killing lots of people. 

recall it was a young doctor in training that claimed a bacteria (helicobacter pyloris) caused peptic ulcer disease. many of the established gastroenterology specialists laughed at him. 

most important thing is keeping an open mind

54 minutes ago, scorecard said:

On 3/25/2020 at 6:58 PM, Lacessit said:

Self-medicating is desperation.

But the crazies don't think so, sadly.

someone drinking a bottle of isopropyl alcohol because they heard alcohol kills covid 19.  very good video as many scientific-medical concepts are explained