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4 hours ago, Cryingdick said:4 hours ago, rabas said:Remote control drones, the ideal way to kill time in isolation.
I doubt our special forces are really worried about the virus. Chomper went out of his way to say something ridiculous.
odd because he's never gone out of his way before to say "ridiculous things"
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1 hour ago, rabas said:18 hours ago, atyclb said:
if i may critique the closed fatality rate without referring to it as "hogwash LOL"
it is very possible the actual infected rates are significantly higher unless they test 100% of the population. likely there are those that had mild or limited or normal flu like symptoms and recovered on their own never tested or seeking medical advice. if the enire population were to be tested the mortality/death rate likely would go down significantly
i myself had a self limited "flu like illness" recently. could have been corona.
stay safe, limit the corona to your fridge, cheers
Did you drink all your corona? They're gone!
Please critique. You're right in that case fatality rates do not consider unreported cases because a case means a reported person. It's just a working number. Closed case (all who recovered or died) is more realistic, but higher, than dividing by all cases still in hospital. In the end, both numbers become the same. At this time, neither is fully accurate. When it's all over, CFR will be accurate for reported cases but still miss potentially large numbers of unreported cases.
By the way, may I ask about your symptoms? You may well have had it. I think everyone is now wondering every time they sneeze, cough, or their throat itches. Knowing your systems might help a lot of people.
pic of corona beer in fridge was deleted as a "troll photo" though i posted it as an illustrative photo
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6 hours ago, Yme said:On 3/25/2020 at 7:14 PM, riclag said:
Got somethin better, suggestions! In the mean time!!!!!
"A recent controlled clinical study conducted by Didier Raoult M.D/Ph.D, et. al in France has shown that 100% patients that received a combination of HCQ and Azithromycin tested negative and were virologically cured within 6 days of treatment".
Non peer reviewed. Not complete. No double-blind. A total farce.
The trial has been widely discredited because of its lack of controls.context should be important to you
a oandemic that essentially threatens the lives and wellbeing on a global scale does not have the luxury of attaining the same status as the framingham heart study.
you take what you can get albeit in bits and pieces and the italian doctor is highly experienced and respected. m.d., phd.
a very important snippet from his study
"For ethical reasons and because our first results are so significant and evident we decide to
share our findings with the medical community, given the urgent need for an effective drug
against SARS-CoV-2 in the current pandemic context." -
5 hours ago, david555 said:
The sky was the limit before, now sky fall down on them ...…(must preserve your future by planning) ,...be honest the girls where exaggerating
"sky fall"
already a themed venue on walking street or perhaps better said, a prophecy
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7 hours ago, rabas said:8 hours ago, alanrchase said:
In the French study you refer to there were 26 patients. One died and three ended up in ICU. Leaving the outcome of the three that went to ICU out of the equation it suggests that the mortality rate with these drugs is, at a minimum, just under 4%. Isn't that somewhat high?
Closed case fatality rate worldwide just hit 16%. You want to compare 'closed case' fatality rates because outcomes of all patients in the study are known. Therefore 4% is rather low. However, this is a preliminary clinical study.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
if i may critique the closed fatality rate without referring to it as "hogwash LOL"
it is very possible the actual infected rates are significantly higher unless they test 100% of the population. likely there are those that had mild or limited or normal flu like symptoms and recovered on their own never tested or seeking medical advice. if the enire population were to be tested the mortality/death rate likely would go down significantly
i myself had a self limited "flu like illness" recently. could have been corona.
stay safe, limit the corona to your fridge, cheers
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25 minutes ago, rabas said:
Here is a guide for physicians on how to evaluate QTc risks for people taking [HO]chloroquine to treat nCoV2019. It includes many factors not just medications known to also affect QTc, of which there are many.
Anyone considering the use of medications to treat nCoV2019 in an emergency situation, should consider first discussing your plans with a competent physician and take any recommended tests, regardless your level of competency. Just a thought.
Thai physicians have experience with chloroquine type drugs, and will know about factors that affect QTc as well as other issues.
many drugs can cause increased qt interval. "risk vs benefit" is tantamount.
you can die from aspirin and tylenol also.
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4 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:6 hours ago, atyclb said:
if one is to fault and or criticize a clinical trial/ medical data it must be done in a cohesive analytical way rather than simply cite the endpoint which one may or may not agree with assigning a perjorative term.
Anonymous website owners publishing what they claim to be data.
Please, let’s not put that in the same basket as medical research, let alone go to it for advice on self medication with what are in truth dangerous drugs.
Thailand has Doctors and hospitals, appointments are easily had, medical check ups, diagnosis and prescriptions not expensive.
But hey let’s get medical advice from complete strangers quoting anonymously owned websites on an Internet forum.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/186Bel9RqfsmEx55FDum4xY_IlWSHnGbj/view. is the link . read this then you are welcome to critique it
aside from results, what stands out to me is
"For ethical reasons and because our first results are so significant and evident we decide to
share our findings with the medical community, given the urgent need for an effective drug
against SARS-CoV-2 in the current pandemic context." -
3 hours ago, jacko45k said:14 hours ago, atyclb said:
death rate for head trauma without helmet is quite high compared with corona virus maybe 5%
Time to beat on a different drum..... a new elephant in the room!
more than one drum in a symphony
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15 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:15 hours ago, riclag said:
Got somethin better, suggestions! In the mean time!!!!!
"A recent controlled clinical study conducted by Didier Raoult M.D/Ph.D, et. al in France has shown that 100% patients that received a combination of HCQ and Azithromycin tested negative and were virologically cured within 6 days of treatment".
100% success in a medical trial.
Absolutely incredible*.
* In the fullest sense of the word incredible.
Oh and look:
The Domain Name 'Covidtrial.io' was registered 9 days ago and there are no details at all of who the registrant is recorded in its whois records.
I'll call it Riclag.
You are spreading hogwash from unknown origins here on TVF.
if one is to fault and or criticize a clinical trial/ medical data it must be done in a cohesive analytical way rather than simply cite the endpoint which one may or may not agree with assigning a perjorative term.
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virtually all thai's i see wear masks. still the majority on bkk backstreets on motorbikes with NO helmets but have masks.
death rate for head trauma without helmet is quite high compared with corona virus maybe 5%
no critical thinking.
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watch the lucky as hell motorbike driver walk away only to be mowed down by a vehicle that did not even slow down despite a clear accident ahead and bikes flat on the road.
what was the driver thinking? if thinking at all
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2 minutes ago, jacko45k said:16 minutes ago, atyclb said:
if retirement extension was done at Jomtien but currently live in Bangkok, which immigration office to mail to??
Thank you
Unless you have officially changed your address with a TM27 (or whatever the heck it is now), it should still be Jomtiem. Can you not do it on-line?
what happens if mailed to wrong immigration office?
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On 3/21/2020 at 11:22 AM, ubonjoe said:
From immigration website.
"Notification by registered mail
Photocopy of passport pages with following pages
- front page showing name / surname / Passport No., ect.
- current visa
- last entry stamp of immigration
- last extension of visaPhotocopy of departure card TM.6 click to view Example TM.6 card
Previous notifications of staying over 90 days (if any) click to view Example document
Completely filled in and signed notification form TM.47 click to view Example document (Don't forget to sign name.)
Envelope with 10 Baht stamp affixed and return address of foreigner for the officer in charge to send back the lower part of form TM. 47 after having received the notification. This part must be kept for reference and for future notifications of staying over 90 days.
The above mentioned documents must be sent by registered mail and the receipt of the registration kept by the foreigner."
It can mailed within a window of 15 to 7 days before the report date.
Mail to.
75/265 หมู่ที่ 12 ถนน ชายหาดจอมเทียน อำเภอบางละมุง ชลบุรี 20150
Translation: 75/265 Village No. 12, Jomtien Beach Road Bang Lamung District, Chon Buri 20150
Download form: TM47 Form Fillable.pdf80.13 kB · 1,413 downloads
if retirement extension was done at Jomtien but currently live in Bangkok, which immigration office to mail to??
Thank you
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although no one can tell which countries will win future nobel prizes it seems clear one particular country will never get one
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57 minutes ago, Orton Rd said:
great post and find. the prep pads have been isopropyl. i just looked in pharmacies and other b and m places.
heres a funny isopropyl from lazada will get the beer connoisseurs attention
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every time (pre-corona) i looked for isopropyl alcohol all i found was ethyl and was told thailand switched to ethyly
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non helmeted head trauma has quite a high morbitality-morbitidy rate compared to that of corona virus
imo most simply dont want to wear a helmet
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1 hour ago, Airalee said:1 hour ago, geriatrickid said:
How about no clinical evidence to support its effectiveness?
The drug has been generic for decades. Big pharma has nothing to do with this.
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/therapeutic-options.html
kudos to you for taking a couple of minutes to simply research that
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1 hour ago, phantomfiddler said:
Sorry but I just don,t get it ! Italy with a population of 60 million is experiencing THOUSANDS of times the death rate of Thailand which has a population of around 70 million ! One would expect the opposite, that the general level of medical help would be superior in a European country. It doesn,t make sense, except maybe for the temperatures in Italy being colder than here. All I can say is, keep a couple of lemons handy, and put the whole lemon in the blender (it,s all in the skin !) then add honey and hot water to make it palatable ????
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/why-deaths-from-coronavirus-are-so-high-in-italy/
A proposal to isolate travelers from China was considered as ‘racist’
The esteemed virologist included: “There was a proposal to isolate persons coming from the epicenter, coming from China.”
Having said that, the Italian federal government balked at the strategy out of singling out travelers coming from China out of worry it could be construed as racist.
“Then it grew to become noticed as racist, but they were being people today coming from the outbreak.” Palù explained this in the end led to the virus killing about 4,800 people today in Italy, the most of any nation in the entire world.
‘Hug a Chinese Day’
As RedState’s Nick Arama details out, Italians ended up so preoccupied with perceptions of racism that the mayor of Florence even launched a “Hug a Chinese” Day initiative soon right after President Donald Trump and Italian Key Minister Giuseppe Conte declared travel restrictions on China.
“We adhere to the directions of the health authorities and we use caution, but no psychological terrorism,” Mayor Dario Nardella saidin a tweet saying the initiative though blasting these he mentioned “could not wait to use this justification to detest and insult.” Nardella included the hashtag #AbbracciaUnCinese (#HugAChinese).
Normally, Beijing welcomed Florence’s “Hug a Chinese Day” venture and promoted it by Communist Party mouthpieces CGTN and International Moments.
More than 53,578 Italians have analyzed beneficial for COVID-19 as of Saturday evening.
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there is/was a thai insurance for corona that paid out if you contracted the virus. people were actively trying to catch it so they could receive money. not sure if this insurance was stopped.
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if a thai friend is correct, the disco. "onyx" at rca is closed until further notice
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4 hours ago, lannarebirth said:
Because you can't bullshiit a virus.
priceless
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4 hours ago, Canuck1966 said:
Nobody gives a flying <deleted>
like hockey puck ??
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1 hour ago, tgw said:8 hours ago, atyclb said:
links to statistics that support your claims.
paying plane ticket for real gf to visit is different from funding a pimp or gang controlled escort that in essence is a human slave
you research your statistics yourself.
it's pretty obvious that such statistics won't be published, nobody in the legal apparatus wants their record of combating human trafficking tarnished.
and about the escort, I heard about a real case that took place in Paris years ago.
I'll do a 2 minutes search later to turn up a reference, but I won't waste much time on it.
they are your claims thus one would assume you can cite and have reviewed pertinent statistics.
by saying it is obvious such statistics wont be published removes the teeth of your argument / claim.
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my symptoms were ; general malaise, muscle and body aches, stuffy nose, possible fever but i didn't check, headache, non productive cough. of note as i have asthma i have a chronic cough so wasn't anything new