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40 minutes ago, lannarebirth said:48 minutes ago, atyclb said:
for some on all levels of this forum the overriding concern is not whether the drug may be effective against covid-19 but that it was touted by their arch enemy trump
I've got no dog in this fight other than to highlight institutional failures, which are imbedded in Washington now and started before this presidency. That said, what I've read about this particular medication is that it has some efficacy with some patients if taken in conjunction with other medications. In some patients it has had an adverse reaction and they are removed from it immediately. I have also read that it was prescribed for some Lupus patients that now cannot find it anywhere given the run on it and their lives are now in jeopardy as well.
the whole world was caught off guard and not one country except limited ones that closed borders early has not suffered from shortages of protective equipment, respirators, etc etc.
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13 hours ago, candide said:15 hours ago, atyclb said:
excuse the michigan licensed physicians for not understanding it at the same level of intellect as you.
It seems that I am (quite modestly) not the only one to disagree with the biased right-wing article's claim.
Quote: Michigan pharmacists said they are seeing an increase in prescriptions for hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine, and while Michigan Pharmacists Association CEO Larry Wagenknecht said there’s no shortage of those medications as of March 25, 2020, in Michigan, that could soon change.
“All of the pharmacists I spoke with had some supply of the medication but they don’t have a lot," said Wagenknecht.
Quote: Meanwhile, John Karasinski, a spokesman for the Michigan Health and Hospital Association, said the association “is supportive of the correspondence from LARA on limiting the prescribing of hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine.".....
......The Michigan State Medical Society and the Michigan Pharmacists Association as well as the American Medical Association, American Pharmacists Association and American Society of Health-System Pharmacists have all issued statements citing concerns about inappropriate prescriptions of the drugs.
"The two types of antimalarials most often prescribed today for lupus are hydroxychloroquine (Plaquenil®) and chloroquine (Aralen®). Unlike the rapid response seen with steroids, it may take months before antimalarial drugs improve your lupus symptoms." https://www.lupus.org/resources/medications-used-to-treat-lupus
given at least 60 doctors in italy involved in covid 19 treatment have died (https://portale.fnomceo.it/elenco-dei-medici-caduti-nel-corso-dellepidemia-di-covid-19/) it is no surprise usa physicians see having the right to take precautions as they risk their own lives and the lives of their families and they comprise the front lines in combating covid 19, an apocalyptic pandemic. physicians also have the right to prescribe "off label".
it seems for some the overriding concern is not whether a drug may be effective against covid-19, but that it was touted by their arch enemy trump.
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16 minutes ago, rabas said:March 28, 202 1:24AM
Debate Ends Over Chloroquine as France Officially Sanctions Usage
"Days after beginning a large scale double blinded trial, the so called gold standard, France has now reached the conclusion chloroquine is recommended to treat corona. "
"In America considerable politics has developed over chloroquine,"
for some on all levels of this forum the overriding concern is not whether the drug may be effective against covid-19 but that it was touted by their arch enemy trump
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6 hours ago, atyclb said:
guess what, hydroxychloroquine (HCQ) is part of mass general hospital (harvard university school of medicine) covid 19 treatment protocol. disgusting isn't it
what exactly is confusing for you?
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3 hours ago, candide said:7 hours ago, atyclb said:
i wasnt speaking about the background of the author of that story but the sentiment of the michigan physicians involved in covid 19. yes i know more than one treatment protocol is being evaluated.
fyi at one time i held a michigan medical license but let is lapse as i live far away now and i agree 100% with the physician sentiment about the threat of license revocation
the other issue is informed consent. if me or a friend or a family member were not responding to other treatment would i/we accept possible negative consequences including death which by the way could very well be assured already by simply continuing the same failing course of treatment the answer for me/we is YES. a not uncommon dangerous side effect of covid 19 disease IS DEATH
your usual next door doctor just may understand the mechanism of action and just may have reviewed the information out there and please sit down before i tell you the usual next door doctor is ALLOWED to prescribe/treat "off label"
"https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2020/3/28/1932089/-Right-wing-propaganda-machine-targets-Michigan-Governor" interesting how the author criticising another author doesn't even use their real name but a pseudonym (Grape crush). that is not the way credible publications work
"Sentiment" according to the author's own words only.
As to the reminder issued, the concern was clear: if this medication is (too often) innapropriately prescribed or stockpiled for personal and familly use, it may run out of stock for people who really need it, including in hospitals who use it for extreme cases of coronavirus infection. It makes sense and has nothing to do with Gestapo tactics.
This article was a mis-representation of the intent and content of the letter written to prescribers by Michigan's Department of Licensing and Regulatory Affairs.
excuse the michigan licensed physicians for not understanding it at the same level of intellect as you.
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too bad since someone living in thailand could enjoy a day at a clean beach and maintain social distance
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40 minutes ago, Pedrogaz said:
Utter stupidity. Agree with Rachel Maddow. A ship is the absolute worst place to have these folks. Didn't anybody learn anything from the Diamond Princess?
But America loves its wars and its warmongers so anything military gets a big cheer.
this is a ship designed to be a hospital. why do you think it would be better to not have the ship in new york city to help with covid 19 ?? do you not realize freestanding hospitals are overwhelmed and due not enough capacity to care for all the cases? do you not know negative pressure patient rooms filled up a long time ago?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USNS_Comfort_(T-AH-20)
Personnel:
Merchant Marine: 16 ROS; 61 Active
Navy Communications & Support: 58 (6 Officers, 52 Enlisted)
Medical and Dental (Active Only): 1,156
Aviation: Helicopter Landing Platform, 1 Spot
Radars: SPS-67 Surface Search
Patient capacity:
Intensive care wards: 80 beds
Recovery wards: 20 beds
Intermediate care wards: 280 beds
Light care wards: 120 beds
Limited care wards: 500 beds
Total Patient Capacity: 1000 beds
Operating Rooms: 12
Departments and facilities:
Casualty reception
Intensive care unit
Radiological services
Main laboratory plus satellite lab
Central sterile receiving
Medical supply/pharmacy
Physical therapy and burn care
Dental services
Optometry/lens lab
Morgue
Laundry
Oxygen producing plants (two)
Medical Photography
Four distilling plants to make drinking water from sea water (300,000 US gallons (1,100,000 l; 250,000 imp gal) per day)
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33 minutes ago, billd766 said:17 hours ago, atyclb said:
usually when making an argument and claiming facts-statistics the relevant information is also provided rather than saying "true" or "not true"
when you say "lowest % of death" which mortality-death rate specifically are you referring to?
which country has tested the highest % of their population? url link to that info please
How about this link?
About 310,000,000 results (0.47 seconds)
https://ourworldindata.org/covid-testing
All you had to do was to highlight this, which country has tested the highest % of their population? and do a right click and you are in Google search with lots of results to choose from.
It took me longer to type this, than it did to search the results.
thanks for the partial clarification "lazy man style". i will post below info i was referring to regarding death/mortality rates for your reading and perhaps learning??? pleasure
https://www.cdc.gov/csels/dsepd/ss1978/lesson3/section3.html
Table 3.4 Frequently Used Measures of Mortality
Measure Numerator Denominator 10n Crude death rate Total number of deaths during a given time interval Mid-interval population 1,000 or
100,000Cause-specific death rate Number of deaths assigned to a specific cause during a given time interval Mid-interval population 100,000 Proportionate mortality Number of deaths assigned to a specific cause during a given time interval Total number of deaths from all causes during the same time interval 100 or 1,000 Death-to-case ratio Number of deaths assigned to a specific cause during a given time interval Number of new cases of same disease reported during the same time interval 100 -
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4 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:
This is What Michigan’s medical licensing authority have to say on the matter:
we know already, old news
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16 hours ago, JHolmesJr said:16 hours ago, bristolboy said:
Trump's push for risky malaria drugs disrupts coronavirus response
President Donald Trump’s all-out push to advance unproven coronavirus treatments is deepening a divide between the White House and career health officials, who are being pulled away from other potential projects to address the president’s hunch that decades-old malaria medicines can be coronavirus cures.
The White House directed health officials to set up a project to track if the antimalarial drugs chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine show promise — a dayslong effort that distracted from urgent tasks like trials of other medicines thought to have more potential against the virus. Food and Drug Administration officials also reversed a nearly six-year ban on a troubled Indian manufacturer in a bid to secure the drugs, and top advisers to Trump have encouraged other agencies to locate as much of the product as possible.
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/27/trump-malaria-coronavirus-152498
LOL! Disgusting but hardly surprising.
guess what, hydroxychloroquine (HCQ) is part of mass general hospital (harvard university school of medicine) covid 19 treatment protocol. disgusting isn't it
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8 hours ago, candide said:13 hours ago, atyclb said:
physicians in michigan combating coronavirus do not appreciate their non physician governor at all when she threatens-infers administrative -legal action for them trying to help patients or themselves from the effects of corona virus. inferring they can/may/will lose their medical license for "off label" medication use is unbelievable. i would say very few michigan physicians be they democrat or republican have much love for their governor
medical personnel already short on protective gear are placing their very own lives and those of their families at risk of infection.
so i say who the <deleted> is she to tell them what they can or cannot do during an apocalyptic pandemic
imo and that of numerous other physicians her decision is just another example of trump derangement syndrome and she can't allow something to happen because the object of hatred (trump) touted it
in this matter imo most of michigan licensed physicians and pharmacists will ignore her as following her directive would/could jeopardize patients lives. in this case whitmers behavior is egregious or disgusting as you say.
snippet from. detroit news. https://www.detroitnews.com/story/opinion/2020/03/26/opinion-michigans-doctors-fight-coronavirus-and-governors-office/2922272001/
Based on these and other results physicians and governments around the world are now using these medications to claimed great effect. Even in the state of Michigan, prominent hospitals such as the Henry Ford Hospital and the University of Michigan have added hydroxychloroquine to their treatment protocols for hospitalized patients with COVID-19.
By doing so, physicians are using these medications “off-label,” that is, without the costly and time-consuming process of Food and Drug Administration approval.
But if you live in Michigan, and you or a loved one is infected with this potentially lethal disease, you’re out of luck.
Another piece of biased right-wing propaganda. The author, Kathy Hoekstra is a Michigan-based communications writer. Lol!
"Hoekstra’s career in communications-writing has included work spinning narratives for:
The Washington Examiner, shifting blame for the Flint water crisis to the EPA instead of former governor Rick Snyder’s administration.One-time presidential candidate Herman Cain, as his Media Relations Director.
The Pacific Legal Foundation, a pro-business legal foundation that largely pursues anti-affirmative action policies.
The Mackinaw Center for Public Policy, a Michigan-based right-wing pressure group and think tank.**
The Heartland Institute, which disseminates disinformation about climate science."
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Heartland_Institute
Leaving aside the US microcosm, we are far from consensus at the international level. Tests show contradictory results and have also been at small scale, and dangerous side effects have been observed, including death. It is usually allowed under specific protocols and only in hospitals, but not for your usual next door doctor. A large scale clinical test called 'Discovery' is currently underway in Europe, involving 3200 patients. It should soon start to provide some useful information about this treatment and others, as It's not the only candidate.
i wasnt speaking about the background of the author of that story but the sentiment of the michigan physicians involved in covid 19. yes i know more than one treatment protocol is being evaluated.
fyi at one time i held a michigan medical license but let is lapse as i live far away now and i agree 100% with the physician sentiment about the threat of license revocation
the other issue is informed consent. if me or a friend or a family member were not responding to other treatment would i/we accept possible negative consequences including death which by the way could very well be assured already by simply continuing the same failing course of treatment the answer for me/we is YES. a not uncommon dangerous side effect of covid 19 disease IS DEATH
your usual next door doctor just may understand the mechanism of action and just may have reviewed the information out there and please sit down before i tell you the usual next door doctor is ALLOWED to prescribe/treat "off label"
"https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2020/3/28/1932089/-Right-wing-propaganda-machine-targets-Michigan-Governor" interesting how the author criticising another author doesn't even use their real name but a pseudonym (Grape crush). that is not the way credible publications work
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anyone know if koh lan still open ad if big ferry boats go there?
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10 hours ago, newnative said:
Just a disgusting human being, Trump. Doesn't like the Michigan governor so withholds life-saving help for that state out of spite. Totally inept and glacially slow from the beginning, ignoring excellent early advice from those in the know, with failure after failure, but gives himself a 10 out of 10 in handling the virus--while at the same time accepting blame for nothing. Disgusting.
physicians in michigan combating coronavirus do not appreciate their non physician governor at all when she threatens-infers administrative -legal action for them trying to help patients or themselves from the effects of corona virus. inferring they can/may/will lose their medical license for "off label" medication use is unbelievable. i would say very few michigan physicians be they democrat or republican have much love for their governor
medical personnel already short on protective gear are placing their very own lives and those of their families at risk of infection.
so i say who the <deleted> is she to tell them what they can or cannot do during an apocalyptic pandemic
imo and that of numerous other physicians her decision is just another example of trump derangement syndrome and she can't allow something to happen because the object of hatred (trump) touted it
in this matter imo most of michigan licensed physicians and pharmacists will ignore her as following her directive would/could jeopardize patients lives. in this case whitmers behavior is egregious or disgusting as you say.
snippet from. detroit news. https://www.detroitnews.com/story/opinion/2020/03/26/opinion-michigans-doctors-fight-coronavirus-and-governors-office/2922272001/
Based on these and other results physicians and governments around the world are now using these medications to claimed great effect. Even in the state of Michigan, prominent hospitals such as the Henry Ford Hospital and the University of Michigan have added hydroxychloroquine to their treatment protocols for hospitalized patients with COVID-19.
By doing so, physicians are using these medications “off-label,” that is, without the costly and time-consuming process of Food and Drug Administration approval.
But if you live in Michigan, and you or a loved one is infected with this potentially lethal disease, you’re out of luck.
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11 hours ago, FritsSikkink said:
So it was a hoax according to him, so he did nothing.
Now he does a great job because:
They test the most of all countries (not true)
They have the lowest percentage of death world wide (not true)
He hopes to keep the death between 100,000 and 200,000
What a joke for a human being, let alone a president.
usually when making an argument and claiming facts-statistics the relevant information is also provided rather than saying "true" or "not true"
when you say "lowest % of death" which mortality-death rate specifically are you referring to?
which country has tested the highest % of their population? url link to that info please
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5 hours ago, Mavideol said:
hope the little girl was not one of any of these officials relatives
why not ??
thats usually the only way to compel them to be prudent
of course my heart goes out the the little girl and her family
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20 hours ago, Olmate said:
Any clues re the venue name etc
good point. the public health interest is more important than fear of naming a place.
read another story about cases infected at a soi nana entertainment place but again no name mentioned.
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Water Transmission and COVID-19
Drinking Water, Recreational Water and Wastewater: What You Need to Know
Can the COVID-19 virus spread through drinking water?The COVID-19 virus has not been detected in drinking water. Conventional water treatment methods that use filtration and disinfection, such as those in most municipal drinking water systems, should remove or inactivate the virus that causes COVID-19.
Is the COVID-19 virus found in feces?The virus that causes COVID-19 has been detected in the feces of some patients diagnosed with COVID-19. The amount of virus released from the body (shed) in stool, how long the virus is shed, and whether the virus in stool is infectious are not known.
The risk of transmission of COVID-19 from the feces of an infected person is also unknown. However, the risk is expected to be low based on data from previous outbreaks of related coronaviruses, such as severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS) and Middle East respiratory syndrome (MERS). There have been no reports of fecal-oral transmission of COVID-19 to date.
Can the COVID-19 virus spread through pools and hot tubs?There is no evidence that COVID-19 can be spread to humans through the use of pools and hot tubs. Proper operation, maintenance, and disinfection (e.g., with chlorine and bromine) of pools and hot tubs should remove or inactivate the virus that causes COVID-19.
Can the COVID-19 virus spread through sewerage systems?CDC is reviewing all data on COVID-19 transmission as information becomes available. At this time, the risk of transmission of the virus that causes COVID-19 through sewerage systems is thought to be low. Although transmission of COVID-19 through sewage may be possible, there is no evidence to date that this has occurred. This guidance will be updated as necessary as new evidence is assessed.
SARS, a similar coronavirus, has been detected in untreated sewage for up to 2 to 14 days. In the 2003 SARS outbreak, there was documented transmission associated with sewage aerosols. Data suggest that standard municipal wastewater system chlorination practices may be sufficient to inactivate coronaviruses, as long as utilities monitor free available chlorine during treatment to ensure it has not been depleted.
Wastewater and sewage workers should use standard practices, practice basic hygiene precautions, and wear personal protective equipment (PPE) as prescribed for current work tasks.
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5 hours ago, lannarebirth said:5 hours ago, atyclb said:
kudos to zimmerman
Bobby dropped his first song in 8 years today. Yeah, the voice is shot, but who cares? It's a jewel.
https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/hear-bob-dylans-new-song-973993/
dylan knew, just listen to the lyrics. "we already got someone to take your place"
not too many musicians, songwriters, guitarists get nobel prizes
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23 minutes ago, lannarebirth said:
We live in a political world, where mercy walks the plank. Life is in mirrors, death disappears, up the steps to the nearest bank. - Bob Dylan
kudos to zimmerman
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had seen an official medical document about that and standard chloring level in pools will not transmit corona. found it as i wanted to swim in condo pool that is empty 98% of time. chloring has no effect on respiratory aerosolized transmission of those in pool.
here it is. https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/php/water.html
limit corona to the corona only in your fridge. (illustrative pic attached)
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57 minutes ago, rabas said:4 hours ago, bristolboy said:Wrong. Trump was claiming the 2 medications are effective. In fact he said they were approved for this by the FDA.
Cuomo is authorizing clinical trials to see if it's effective.
Understand the difference now?
Can you kindly provide scientific evidence that it is not effective?
of course not, can't even provide a coherent argument
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bavet is basically a casino town geared towards chinese. actually some quite good chinese food there. citibank usa atm card did not work there but bangkok bank thailand atm card did and saved the day. duty free shop has some excellent prices.
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1 hour ago, Kelsall said:
President Trump: "We must try hydroxychloroquine & azithromycin."
The Media: "That's false hope! It's not approved for use yet!"
New York Gov. Cuomo: "We must try hydroxychloroquine & azithromycin."
The Media: "This is real leadership! What a fantastic idea!"
two faced lying morons.
cnn medical guy sanjay gupta. a neurosurgeon also publicly following the cnn narrative condemning trump for the fish tank couple but you can be sure privately he is thinking "darwin award" for that couple. in dr guptas case he swore to the "hypocrite oath"
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Trump backs off plan to reopen businesses by mid-April amid coronavirus warnings
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New Stats
The case fatality rate of patients with COVID-19 is about 1.4% overall but increases with age, according to new estimates published in the Lancet Infectious Diseases . "Even though the fatality rate is low for younger people, it is very clear that any suggestion of COVID-19 being just like influenza is false," one expert writes in an accompanying editorial. "Even for those aged 20–29 years, once infected with SARS-CoV-2, the mortality rate is 33 times higher than that from seasonal influenza."
https://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/927898