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The thread is all abnout the Honda CBR 150 and 250.
You keep bringing other bikes in for comparison which actually either are not available in Thailand, are imports grey or not which will cost large sums on money, probably more than a CBR 150 just to become legal IF they can pass the emission tests. If not, you just threw away the cost of a perfectly reasonable bike.
If people don't want a CBR 150 or 250 they won't be looking at one but something more to there needs at a higher price and be perfectly happy to do so. On the other hand if the Honda is what they like they won't give a rats ass what anybody else thinks or says because it is THEIR CHOICE.
If you can persuade anyone to buy a big bike instead of the Honda then good for you but I doubt that will happen as the vast majority of the posters here are looking for something that is reasonably priced, street legal, fixable at most local dealers and is not to expensive to keep on the road and perhaps in the future has a reasonable resale value.
As I recall this is a thread about the Honda CBR 250.
Everybody who has read the thread knows that you don't like it and I would think that 90% or more don't care what you think any more so I am politely asking you to please give it a rest and get on with your life and let the people who ARE interested get on with theirs
EXACTLY! I'm in that 90%+ group who don't give a rats ass about what he, or anyone else, thinks. I'm waiting for the 250 to come in, but if I decide I like the 150 better, then I'll go with that.
And I dont give a rats ass about what you say or tell me to do. If you dont like it , then piss off of this forum and find yourself another home!
As you have some superior rights to whats going on here... You dont have that that or anything close to it even if you buy this bike, like it and live in Thailand.
Me.. I am gonna DISS this bike for the junkyard crap it is till it ends it days at production site. Hopefully then they will release something better then and have learnt a lesson or two from this world crap CBR.
What a nasty, narrow minded impolite little person you are.
Why should I "piss off of this forum" on your say so.
I have never claimed superior rights on this or any other forum and as far as I am aware only a moderator can get me banned.
I know you are not a moderator and as far as I am aware you have no official connection with either Honda Thailand or Honda Japan.
You would be better off ranting at them as they are the people who have made such an inferior motor cycle albeit in your mind though not in other peoples opinion.
If you really want to save Honda and teach them a lesson why don't you apply for a job as a world manager for new motorcycle releases.
Who knows, they may take you on but I doubt it.
Your inter personal skills are not quite good enough.
If you are going to diss the bike until the end of producion I personally hope that it will be produced for another 10 years. At least it will serve to get your post count up.
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Very good that at least the man at the top recognises it. Pity the rest of Thai society does not.
Recognizing that there are double standards is one thing. Doing something about it is something completely different. The Prime Minister has said some sensible things about tackling the problems facing the country. So far, he has done little about them. He will be judged by what he does, not what he says.
He is but one man.
However if the will is there that one man can work wonders.
Now what if there are 10, or 100 or 1,000 people working in the same direction.
Talking about China did Chairman Mao say that even the longest journey starts with a single step.
He cannot do it all on his own but must be given credit for at least trying.
I personally hope that he succeeds.
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I am glad to see this thread appear, because the other one is suffering from someone who thinks its a moral duty to crap all over a product that he never intends to purchase. Maybe if we can keep this thread to real life observations and experience this will become as valuable as the CBR 150 thread which is now massive. So please no opinions about what the 250 should have been or how Honda hurt you you by not living up to your expectations. Just real CBR 250 stuff.
I think we have about 10 days min before we will see any of the roads. I am tempted but I am also considering a cruiser because I never had one. This thread should help me decide.
I totally agree with you and I am also thinking about a 250 but not until next year anyway.
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From what I can see there are about 4 or perhaps 5 posters on this thread knocking the bike but none of them seem to have seen on let alone actually ridden or bought one.
I suspect that Honda will sell more CBR 150 and 250 bikes in Thailand alone than there are riders and owners of big bikes in Thailand in total.
I ride a Honda Phantom 200 which suits me nicely but I may change up to a CBR 250 if things work out right though I would have preferred a VTR 250 but it never came here.
The Phantom is not what I would call a great bike either but I have no desire to get a big bike anyway. I have a friend in BKK who has a BMW 1200 and also an big black Yamaha (can't remember which model) and I am glad for him as he is happy with what he owns. I could probably be OK on the BMW but I would think the Yamaha would kill me within a few days.
Not everybody in Thailand wants or can afford a big bike and yes it would be wonderful if there was a larger choice of LEGAL bikes with green books and warranty.
The Aprilia mentioned earlier is GBP 4,099 in the UK and given an exchange rate of 47 baht it comes to about 192,700 baht which is a little more than 67% more expensive than the CBR 250. If you were to add a conservative 250% import duty and various taxes it would come in at around 482,000 THB and this for a model with no fuel injection or ABS.
Also there will be very few if any dealerships in the larger cities and as for the smaller towns and villages "forget it" springs to mind.
Wow, value for money or what.
Why would anybody in THAILAND want to pay more than 3 times the price for a 125 cc motorbike than you would for the Honda.
For that price you could get a Yamaha FZ6 600cc 4 cylinder or a Kawasaki Vulcan 900 classic 900cc bike,a Suzuki SV 650 SA at about 480,000, the cheapest Ducati 700cc at 580,000, the cheapest BMW would be about 600,000, there is a Triumph 865cc for only 510,000 baht. There is a Honda Fury VTI 1300 ABS for "only" 668,000 baht
All these should be available in Thailand.
So who would want to import a 125cc motorbike from an EU country when you have such a choice and I am sure that at least one of them is a "great" bike.
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I am making a folder on my pc with instructions on what to do, who to contact, where things are etc for my wife and 2 separate farang friends to deal with.
My wife can deal with the Thai parts but I don't think her English would be good enough to deal with the pension people etc.
Thanks for the poster who suggested writing in Thai as well.
Something I did not think of.
As for any flamers who may comment on my death (or not) they will be more than welcome to join hands with me at the temple when I get cremated.
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When I spoke to them a few weeks ago they told me that my wife would be entitled to payment for our son (aged 6 now) until he is 20 as long as he is not at University.
My wife was 45 last month and will qualify for a pension in her own right at the pensionable age for women now 65, next year 66.
If you look at my post of 30 Oct it has a copy of their letter and their contact details so I will probably ring the later and also email them for further information.
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I rang the Pensions Bereavement Department to check what my wife would be granted (assuming nothing changes before she need it) and looking at the letter they sent me the clearly state in the second paragraph that my wife IS entitled to a GBP 2,000 Bereavement Payment AND a Widowed Parents Allowance until our son reaches 20 provided he is in full time education but not at University.
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Down here in Khampaeng Phet province by the Mae Wong national park it was 18C at 6am on Monday and Tuesday and a high 22 this morning.
I am back to wearing trousers trainers with thick wollen socks I bought in New Zealand a couple of years ago (see there is a real use for sheep after all) and my fruit of the loom sweater I bought in the UK years ago while riding my Honda Phantom to the village in the morning.
Get some beautiful sunsets the night before though.
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Up here in Klong Lan 125 north of you it is normal and there was only one bit of flooded road last Wednesday between Lat Yao and the route 32 to NS at Ban Ben Bo.
Also no rain here for a few days so hopefully the Ping and Chao Prayha rivers are lower.
Yesterday and the day before it was 18C at 6 am.
I got through easily on my motorbike but some <deleted> in a truck going the other way gave me a free cold shower on the right side.
Stupid barsteward.
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only in america.
someone have a video clip of it?
I hope not
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I tend to have several ways of wanting things now.
Do I
Like it
Want it
Need it
Got to have it
Will die if I can't have it
Very importantly can I afford it
It is starting to work for all big ticket items but before i retired I was like
That printer has gone through 2 sets of cartridges.
I will buy a new one today.
I gave that up years ago but my wife has the memory of an elephant and never lets me forget.
Just because I never listened to her then.
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Amazing what you can do with a crock pot with the toughest piece of meat.
Especially with some potatoes, onions, garlic and yellow, Panang or Masaman curry paste.
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Helmet for driver ok ,what about passengers ? and kids if you have the whole family on a motorcycle ?
Strangely enough when I read the OP post that is what it is all about.
Though I live in Central Thailand my son is NEVER allowed on anybodies scooter or motorbike WITHOUT a helmet and he knows it at 6 years old.
He also knows that if Daddy sees him on a bike without a helmet, Daddy to say the least will be mightily pissed with both my son and the rider.
I ALWAYS wear mine even on a journey of less than 500 metres.
Wear a helmet and save a life.
Who knows it could be yours.
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When I spoke to them a few weeks ago they told me that my wife would be entitled to payment for our son (aged 6 now) until he is 20 as long as he is not at University.
My wife was 45 last month and will qualify for a pension in her own right at the pensionable age for women now 65, next year 66.
If you look at my post of 30 Oct it has a copy of their letter and their contact details so I will probably ring the later and also email them for further information.
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I ride a Honda Phantom and I have had a bad back for some 25 odd years and I can ride my bike from Khampaeng Phet where I live to BKK or Chiang Mai about 400 km in each direction.
Several months ago I went out with a mate for a day ride of about 475 km and I still felt pretty much OK at the end of it.
The day ride was on the normal roads and then across a national park almost reaching 1,000 metres high with a rough road from north of Tak to Mae Ramat, down to Mae Sot then back to Tak and home again.
If you are close to Chiang Mai call in at Tony's Big Bike hire as he has a selection of bikes you can hire.
The link is here
As far as I know he has a couple of Phantoms plus bigger and smaller bikes for rental.
I find that my Phantom is a good reliable bike but a rocket ship it ain't.
You probably don't need one anyway.
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This doc may help, however last week it was announced that from 2020 state pension age goes up to age 66.
Last year I had a letter from Newcastle people informing that I must pay 44 years NI contributions for full bereavment allowance, I have only paid 36 years so far but I can make voluntary contributions from Thailand. ( I know of the 30 year change now for state pen) They kindly inform you of the amount.
Yours is probably better than mine
Thanks
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When the going gets tough the tough get a quad bike!
If you buy one of those eat lots of spinach like PopEye as the steering is had to turn.
My friend has one and I tried it out as I was thinking of buying one for my wife and I had problems trying to turn it.
Scrapped that plan right away.
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Today is the day AP Honda will show it to the press and public. The bike is a dissapointment with little power and also heavy. No adjustabilities and a heavy steel frame. Budget bike with absolutely no interest to a +60 kg rider. Cough up 60 k more and get yourself a CBR600RR 2004-2005 in very good condition and you could not have spent your money better.
For the ones that only has 150.000 to spend on a bike and dream about biking and only think new bikes are good, I feel sorry for you,
If a bike like this makes you happy I belive your not much of a biker. It falls beetwen a scooter and a big bike and is useless. Nothing more than a CBR 150 but heavy as a big bike. Take your gf on the bike and you ll have to rev that sinlge up to the heavens to make it go.
It should have been a twin with 45 hp..
It all depends on what you ride and where you live.
Why does having a big bike make you more of a biker?
I would feel stupid driving down to the local village on a CBR600RR and it would be a total waste of money for me. It is probably fine IF you have the money to spend and IF you live in a big city with a first class dealer and skilled techs.
Unfortunately not every body does nor do all Thais wants something that big even if they could afford one.
I doubt that it is as heavy as a CBR600RR.
Honda sells its motorbikes worldwide and has to cater for that market and not just a few people who want a big bike.
I suspect that they spent a long time researching the sales markets before coming up with the CBR250.
As for me, I am a fat old farang who is retired and bumbles around on a 200cc Honda Phantom and is quite happy to do so.
From the tone of your post you seem to be a lot younger than me.
Then I wouldnt see you as really its target market either.. Not a dig just a fact..
I think its hard not to argue they are marketing it as a sportbike, yet its under powered and heavy..
People should ride what they want, but 150k for a faux sportbike, maybe go for the real thing.
I agree I am not a market target and I would prefer the also much talked about but not here VTR250 twin which would suit me more but I will still look at the CBR anyway, just for the hel_l of it.
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Today is the day AP Honda will show it to the press and public. The bike is a dissapointment with little power and also heavy. No adjustabilities and a heavy steel frame. Budget bike with absolutely no interest to a +60 kg rider. Cough up 60 k more and get yourself a CBR600RR 2004-2005 in very good condition and you could not have spent your money better.
For the ones that only has 150.000 to spend on a bike and dream about biking and only think new bikes are good, I feel sorry for you,
If a bike like this makes you happy I belive your not much of a biker. It falls beetwen a scooter and a big bike and is useless. Nothing more than a CBR 150 but heavy as a big bike. Take your gf on the bike and you ll have to rev that sinlge up to the heavens to make it go.
It should have been a twin with 45 hp..
It all depends on what you ride and where you live.
Why does having a big bike make you more of a biker?
I would feel stupid driving down to the local village on a CBR600RR and it would be a total waste of money for me. It is probably fine IF you have the money to spend and IF you live in a big city with a first class dealer and skilled techs.
Unfortunately not every body does nor do all Thais wants something that big even if they could afford one.
I doubt that it is as heavy as a CBR600RR.
Honda sells its motorbikes worldwide and has to cater for that market and not just a few people who want a big bike.
I suspect that they spent a long time researching the sales markets before coming up with the CBR250.
As for me, I am a fat old farang who is retired and bumbles around on a 200cc Honda Phantom and is quite happy to do so.
From the tone of your post you seem to be a lot younger than me.
From a bikers point of view this bike is a pile of shit and your defiantely wrong about the weight. The CBR600RR is a true R machine in the 600 class and which deserves to use the R capitals as a statement and it weighs in at 168 kg dry weight and has 105 hp.
The 250.. 160 kg and 26 hp, you gotta be fuc_king kidding me to call this a bike! And just because they released the 250 here in Thailand that are meant mostly for export and it doesnt make it a great bike. This is a bike for 17-18 year old people and what they would have for about a year preparing for something like a 600 cc.
There is no definition about who is a biker in terms of cc but I guees you ll get some odd looks and comments if you drive around on a Honda click or a CBR 150 calling you a biker. BIkers are assosiated with bigger bikes and wiht a great passion for their machines, the biker culture and community. And i doubt that if you ever become a member in a big bike club and let the guys there take your CBR250 for a ride and they will say; woow what a great bike, its awsome. No thats never gonna happen .
And living out in villages I would suggest getting a D-tracker or something more suited for areas like that. A D-tracker at least justifies what it is. A CBR 600 doenst need a skilled tech nearby as these bikes never breaks down but are rather famous to last forever with normal roaduse. 100.000 km on a R machine today is no problem without any internal mechanics. The other stuff any thai tech mech can do.
Do you actually live here. Or are you spouting this shit from across the globe!. yes the bike is a disappointment but at least it is ANOTHER bigger bike that is available. there are not that many CBR600 2003-5 in Thailand AND CERTAINLY NOT FOR 160,000b NOT IF YOU WANT IT LEGAL WITH A GREEN BOOK . Different bikes for different strokes thats what it boils down to.
as for the bit highlighted if any bike has been in Thailand for some time then its a good bet its NEVER seen a SKILLED mechanic. Thats why you have to find one or do the work yourself because of the bodge ups.
also when you talk about the weight the 250 is curb weight so wet not dry (adds about 10-15kg's)
A fuc_king biker is anyone that rides a bike with a clutch. jeeze next it will be who's is bigger eh
Thank you thaicbr for expressing my thoughts in a much better way than I could do myself.
It all boils down to different strokes for different folks.
I have no need for a rocket ship razor blade to blast around the roads of Thailand nor would I buy one just to be associated with a biker club.
Most people buy a bike that they need, that is within their budget and suits them rather than shouting "look at me and my big bike".
That is a sort of poser attitude that won't appeal to the majority of bike owners.
As I remember biker groups come in various sizes including oddly enough a Honda Phantom club as well as monster bikes so there is something for almost everybody if you want to find one.
Anyway happy riding on whatever you ride and whatever club you are in and remember it is better to ride a little slower and arrive safely.
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I wrote to the pensions department a while ago and called them 2 weeks ago querying what my wife would be entitled to on my death.
She is now 45 (this week) and we have a 6 year old son.
A couple of days ago I got a reply dated 11th October 2010 which I have attached and also a bereavement booklet which I scanned and put onto Photobucket.
That link is here
http://s847.photobucket.com/albums/ab37/billd766/bereavement%20benefits/
and the letter I received is here
I hope that this will help some of us older posters.
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Difficult with three year olds, there is a temple high up on the top of a hill with shops and stuff great views.
Macdonalds anyone !!!
Not in Nakhon Sawan as far as I know
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Hello Robin, I have never found the bookshop, but not looked for some time. Farang (round eyes) I often see down BIG C and am told that monday, wednesday and friday they meet up in the eating area and get a few beers from 1230-1400 hrs. You can find me from 830-1130 in Sawanvitteee 9 at shop Nong. Pineapple, somo, oranges.
The bookshop was still going when I last went several months ago.
The guy who runs it is called madyakka and is a porter on TVF.
If you find Matuli road coming down from the route 1 and turn right at Matuli soi 18 onto Daowadueng road and left on Daowadueng soi 14 it is almost at the end on the right side.
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Today is the day AP Honda will show it to the press and public. The bike is a dissapointment with little power and also heavy. No adjustabilities and a heavy steel frame. Budget bike with absolutely no interest to a +60 kg rider. Cough up 60 k more and get yourself a CBR600RR 2004-2005 in very good condition and you could not have spent your money better.
For the ones that only has 150.000 to spend on a bike and dream about biking and only think new bikes are good, I feel sorry for you,
If a bike like this makes you happy I belive your not much of a biker. It falls beetwen a scooter and a big bike and is useless. Nothing more than a CBR 150 but heavy as a big bike. Take your gf on the bike and you ll have to rev that sinlge up to the heavens to make it go.
It should have been a twin with 45 hp..
It all depends on what you ride and where you live.
Why does having a big bike make you more of a biker?
I would feel stupid driving down to the local village on a CBR600RR and it would be a total waste of money for me. It is probably fine IF you have the money to spend and IF you live in a big city with a first class dealer and skilled techs.
Unfortunately not every body does nor do all Thais wants something that big even if they could afford one.
I doubt that it is as heavy as a CBR600RR.
Honda sells its motorbikes worldwide and has to cater for that market and not just a few people who want a big bike.
I suspect that they spent a long time researching the sales markets before coming up with the CBR250.
As for me, I am a fat old farang who is retired and bumbles around on a 200cc Honda Phantom and is quite happy to do so.
From the tone of your post you seem to be a lot younger than me.
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The Morgan Three Wheel club has a UK website at
and there is a historical German Morgan website here
both are interesting views.
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I got it up on the stand this morning and was slightly disappointed by the fact that I couldn't find any free play whatsoever on either the front or back wheels. Looks like the bearings are OK. I guess there's no need to change them. I was kinda looking forward to it!
It was good to work out how to use the stand though. Now oiling the chain etc will work a lot better if I can get the rear wheel raised.
In repair shops to lift the back wheel they usually put the stand under the exhaust pipe. Is that a good idea? It looks like with a bit more effort I should be able to put the stand directly under the frame, more solid.
I kinda struggled getting the back wheel raised because I was trying to lift the rear end of the bike up. It's heavy and I'm small, no fun. I realised that you just have to tilt it so the front wheel is raised, put the stand underneath the exhaust, and when you drop the front wheel down the rear wheel will magically raise up.
I might depending on where you are.
I live 65 km southwest of Khampaeng Phet and about 400 km from BKK or CM.
If you're interested let me know when you're next in CM. They're not the kind of jacks you use to raise a vehicle up, they're stands (i.e. you can adjust the height first and then put the bike on top), just like the ones you see in most bike repair places here. 400 baht.
Thanks for that but it won't be until next year.
Also now you have explained it I understand the stands you are talking about, similar to the axle stands I used to use in the UK years ago.
Honda Cbr 250R 2011
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A long vacation would be nicer.