jcsmith

He's a conman. Always has been. Always will be. Expect him to milk as much as he can before he leaves office.

23 minutes ago, Salerno said:

 

Wasn't even touching on that strange set up - just the fact that it's winner take all in 48 States. Why not a percentage based on the wishes of the people as per the ballot box.

It would make sense for it to be. It's a dated system that is unnecessary today. 

This election was basically decided by 150k votes in 5 states. Had Trump gotten a bit more in each of those states it turns from a sizable electoral college defeat into a large victory. But it would have also been the third time in the past six elections that a democrat had won the popular vote but lost the election. And therein lies the reason that it won't change. Same with the senate seats. You have states with under 600k population have the same number of senate seats as California despite having 65x less people. But since you will need republican votes to change it, and it is against their best interests, it's unlikely to ever change.

12 hours ago, Neeranam said:

Terrible Biden declaring himself president before the count has finished. This is certainly dividing the country and showing his arrogance. 

There isn't a snowballs chance in hell the remaining count would win the election for Trump. There's no way he's winning Pennsylvania. Even if somehow 50,000 last second ballots got found for Trump in Arizona, Nevada, and Georgia, Trump would still lose the election without Pennsylvania.

In another post you reference Gore vs. Bush... An election that came down to 537 votes... In one state with millions of votes... Where the governor of the state was run by the winning candidate... Surely you can see the difference between 537 votes and tens of thousands, can you not? 

10 hours ago, CorpusChristie said:

Dems spent four years investigating Trump for collusion with Russia , wonder why they dont want to wait a few weeks for a Biden vote fraud investigation ?

Perhaps because there was strong evidence of the said collusion with Russia, which is backed by the Senate Intelligence Committee's August report. The republican controlled senate determined that the Trump campaign actively sought assistance and as we know Manafort did share information, the tower meeting did happen, Trump's son and son in law were present and the context of that meeting was to get dirt on Hillary Clinton. And then Trump and his people destroyed evidence, lied, and obstructed justice. There was plenty of evidence there to support an investigation. 

There is next to no evidence of voter fraud. Sure the Fox News late night will pop a person or two in front of you but one of those people already walked it back and said they fabricated the story yesterday. He has Bill Barr actively searching, most of those battleground states were controlled by republicans. The counting had cameras in the rooms as it was happening with people present from both parties to watch the the process. Trumps claims of fraud are the actual fraud. He knows it. You know it. McConnell knows it. 

7 hours ago, JusticeGB said:

Votes are still being counted and the news channels are not the people who call elections. Until all votes are counted the Agency can't call the Election. 

Let's ignore that elections don't typically get disputed when there are margins anywhere near this. The only real election dispute in recent memory was the Gore/Bush one in 2000, which was separated by 537 votes in a state where Bush's brother was governor. That's a far cry from this. 

Trump is down by:

46k votes in Pennsylvania
35k votes in Nevada
20k votes in Wisconsin
15k votes in Arizona 
13k votes in Georgia

Let's say they find some evidence of voter fraud. It might gain him a couple hundred votes. Or he might lose a couple hundred votes. If Biden's lead holds he'd be at 306 electoral votes. If Trump somehow came back to win Arizona and Georgia (very unlikely), and then let's say he also wins Nevada miraculously, that would only gain him 33 votes. He needs to gain 36 votes. Any other candidate would have conceded days ago.

Now it's certainly in his right to ask for recounts, to contest things. But he knows, McConnell knows, pretty much anyone who is being honest to themselves knows that he has lost. There is no widescale voter fraud. He's been beating that drum for months for this moment so he could try to hold onto power. What is both amazing and embarrassing is how many republicans has jumped on board and volunteered to go down with this sinking ship with him. 

Then he does things like today where he starts firing people during the transition. Doesn't cooperate with the incoming administration. Obama certainly had no love for Trump but they cooperated with him. They were cordial with him. Trump is simply incapable of being cordial or cooperating with anyone if it doesn't benefit him.

2 hours ago, placeholder said:

Dream on. No government authorities have reported fraud or investigations of fraud. None. Just complaints from Trump partisans.

Add to that multiple of these cases have already gone to court and been rejected as baseless. Trump has been setting up this fraud stuff for months. From all the claims of voter fraud, and specifically mail in voter fraud, to him declaring premature victory. His strategy has been known for months. 
 

23 minutes ago, earlinclaifornia said:

Yes the base is very solid. They showed their support. That five million votes topping trumps's , soon to be, did however not want him. 

Historic defeat, historic one term President. Integrity is still the measure in America. 

 

The other thing to note there is that number is going to grow substantially by the time all the remaining votes are counted. For example, in California where Biden has collected 2:1 votes on Trump they still have something like 7 million votes to count, and there are still close to 2 million votes to count in New York where Biden has a +13% advantage. When it's all said and done Biden will likely have received something near +10% more votes than Trump.

6 minutes ago, vinci said:

i think you mis understood what i said, yes Trump is toxic for the country by no mean i want him out, But Biden is not that great either, you think he will make thing better, he's a corporatists democrats, he will be exactly what Obama is, a do nothing compromised on everything and get nothing done, plus the republican control the house they will hammer him, Biden would only sit on the throne and nothing else

Biden isn't a guy who inspires people. I think the main thing though is he is a return to normal. Change is only worthwhile if it is a net positive. Trump has changed things, but not in a good way. Biden will return to the status quo and after four years of Trump that will be a welcome change.

I'm all for change but only if it's change in a way that will be positive for the country. Trump was a disaster.

7 minutes ago, JensenZ said:

Just as the Dems were trying to "steal" the election in 2016. Recounts were filed in Nevada (completed), Wisconsin (completed), Michigan (rejected/halted) and Pennsylvania (rejected/halted).

Jill Stein (Green Party) called some of the recounts last time, not Democrats. But either way, recounts are relatively standard in close races. What isn't standard is accusing the other side of fraud with no evidence. Making it so mail in votes couldn't be counted until election day, and then declaring victory before they could be counted. Refusing to say you will accept the results of the election. Or telegraphing that you would claim fraud and declare victory before the election even happened.

21 minutes ago, Virt said:

No matter who wins it just shows America is as split as 4 years ago. 

Social media and the left/right news networks contribute greatly to that, but I'd say the #1 cause of that in America in the past few years was Donald Trump. The thing is many republicans also do not like the guy, they just swore fealty to him out of necessity. I'd guess that once Trump is out of office there will be many more republicans willing to dismiss him and his voice is going to be dampened. 

9 hours ago, xofswen said:

555, sorry I don't tweet, but I am watching  your hero Biden' getting his butt handed to him.

You shouldn't count your chickens before they hatch... Especially before counting the cities and absentee ballots. If Biden holds on to Michigan, Wisconsin, and Nevada (all of which he is leading and trending upwards) then he's won. 

A study of 18 Trump rallies between June and September 22nd concluded that they resulted in 30,000 Covid cases and over 700 deaths. 

Source: https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/523789-18-trump-rallies-have-led-to-30k-cases-700-deaths-stanford-university

He's actually been mocking Biden for "listening to the scientists". The level of this guys ignorance is enormous.

On 10/12/2020 at 9:58 AM, heybruce said:

The economy was in free fall, it needed deficit spending to be saved.

 

It's really not that complicated.  When an economy is collapsing it is necessary to borrow money to save it.  When the economy is doing well the debt should be brought down. 

 

Trump ran the deficit up even though the economy was doing well.  Republicans generally are big fans of borrow and spend economics, regardless of the state of the economy, when they hold the White House, and obsess about deficit spending regardless of the state of the economy when a Democrat is in the White House.

And the ridiculous thing about it is that as he ran it up to historic levels the same republicans who opposed things like bail outs when Obama was in charge, said nothing. Nothing at all. 

5 minutes ago, Sujo said:

Anyone in their right mind that heard trumps fox interview of 50 mins of bizzare claims and continue to support him are real life One Flew Over the Cuckoos Nest inmates.

He was so off the wall crazy in that interview I'm willing to actually give him some benefit of the doubt and say that his meds may be affecting him. It's tough to give him any benefit of the doubt because he's had this crazy interviews before, but the past few days have been an even lower bar than usual. 

13 hours ago, Deli said:

1 is already 1 too many. Look what happened to Europe, once they opened the floos gates.

That's the most un-American statement ever. Immigration was a pillar of America. 

20 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Speaking of chutzpah the Republicans after obscenely spitting on our beloved RBG's not yet cold body now have the gall to demand that Biden pauses his campaign indefinitely out of respect to the infected potus. Saying it won't be fair.

Because his campaign was wreckless the country should go on hold? He mocked his opponent at the debate two days ago for always wearing a mask. He repeatedly downplayed the virus. They constantly mocked Biden for hiding in his bunker while they held rallies packed with people without masks. He is now reaping what he sowed. I hope he is okay but I hope this is a wake up call to people that the virus is real and it is serious.