rubl

"Reacting to the order revoking Peace TVs licence, Mr Natthawut Saikua, co-leader of the United Front for Democracy against Dictatorship, said he suspected the order came from someone above the Broadcasting Board."

What a clever man

Bet you, UDD, has got plenty others like him.

The first thing they need to do is to prevent Greeks to make comments !

No, No, Greeks carrying-off massive-loans are surely far more dangerous, to the rest of the world ?

Ah, but look at the beautiful wooden horse we got in return

"...POLITICIANS have been criticising the draft charter because they fear scrutiny by the new independent bodies the document will set up..."

This article is so clearly written by PRO-Junta reporters its sick. Politicians (unnamed) are against it because it is not Democratic...plain and simple.

Absolutely. Thai politicians have never feared to show responsibility and accountability, even while abroad in self-exile.

The PM might not have been involved, but maybe the head of the NCPO ?

He's right and most people should understand that under the Thai Constitution, the Armed Forces do not take their orders from any Politicians. It was the Head of the Army who took the decision to quell the violence.

So, Abhisit and Suthep are not guilty of 'abuse of power' ? They will be relieved to hear that confirmed by TVF members.

Authorizing soldiers to shoot below the knees?

They've been watching too many Hollywood movies.

Most of the under-trained Thai soldiers have worse aims than Dick Cheney.

I vaguely remember having read that lots of wounded on April 10th were wounded in the legs. Mind you, with Robert A. writing in his report to the ICC the army fired thousands of rounds into the densely packed crowd of peaceful protesters. I guess that was when they were firing while retreating in near panic, from the peaceful protesters that is.

"He said that it would depend on the National Reform Council to decide whether there should be a referendum or not."

Probably better to come from the reform committee than from the PM. Mind you, from comments I gather some posters would really like the PM to force his way through

A deficit of 390 billion Baht. With the need to stimulate the economy, with pressure on export I guess that was to be expected.

Anyone still have the figures for the 2014/2015 National Budget and possibly the 2013/2014 NB to make it easier to compare?

The 'non violent civil disobedience' of the peaceful protesters was met with equally civil and polite requests to move along, nothing to see here.

In other words, both parties exchanged gunfire but one side was peaceful and the other side didn't crack.

If Thai Visa was drawing up a charter for Thailand do you think the majority of the members would let Thais vote?

If we were in world where ThaiVisa was drawing up a charter for Thailand I would imagine anything could be possible including having a squadron of Flying Pigs deliver the shiny new charter to the Thai all the time whistling the National Hymn.

"Rather than asking what I stand for you might ask 'What do you believe in...."

I might, rubl, but I didn't. Maybe answer what you are asked, not what you feel like answering.

Yes Sir, Mr. Baboon, Sir.

I stand for my believes, Sir.

Might I be so bold to ask you for your believes and what you stand for?

It would seem only I have tried to describe my believes. A few others only comment and denigrate and probably believe "let's have an election" solves problems.

Well, boys and girls, the more people we have on this single planet the more there will be a need to conform to keep society peaceful. That implicitly means some individual freedom needs to be sacrificed. The times you could pack your things and move West have gone.

Education should help you grow up and be an individual who is capable to function as a member of society. So you'll be 'controlled' somehow. Well, assuming you're a law abiding individual you're already controlled.

And in breaking news; The Thai Broadcast Journalists Association urged the NTC to reconsider the decision to ban Peace TV.

While simultaneously; TVF fascist junta lovers were praising the same decision.

Wow, I wonder who has more insight into the issue?

Insight? Wouldn't that depend on the reasoning the TBJA gave when they asked the NTC to reconsider? Did your 'newsflash' say anything about that, or was it just an 'out of principle' request?

BTW 'TVF fascist junta lovers? Is that opposed to pro democracy for Thaksin posters? Better leave such labelling out of the discussion. Too subjective and somewhat provocative.

Obfuscation is not clever or productive, but seems to be your go to play.

Let me rephrase this; a group of Thai professional journalists is far more likely to have a better understanding of this issue than a group of foreign internet forum posters, who can't even understand what was being broadcast.

And BTW, I think 'fascist junta lovers' is quite an accurate description of the likes of Costas, djjamie, Ginjag, ...etc, etc, and yes I would describe myself as 'pro-democracy, for-Thaksin'.

I didn't see a current 'breakingnews' yet, but found another on the same subject, from 2010-05-11.

It has the TBJA, the TJA and a few more

"In the letter, the media agencies admitted that some outlets had indeed distorted information and caused conflicts in society over the last few years. They urged people to exercise their judgement when receiving information from media.

"If you find anything inappropriate, alert us immediately," the media organisations said.

They argue that only ethical media outlets should be protected under the Constitution."

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/home/2010/05/11/national/Groups-urge-outlets-to-be-ethical-not-stir-unrest-30128995.html

PS what obfuscation? Asking you about that 'breaking news' ?

PPS I left out a comma on purpose "pro democracy for Thaksin"

I agree. But, not in that order. I believe in education, without moderation.

It's getting a bit off topic, although still within the "controlled democracy' I hope.

For me education should be modelled in the sense that 5-year olds you tell shorter, less detailed versions than 12 or 17-year olds. Also you may have lengthy discussions on how much to have in the 'standard' curriculum and what should be left for higher level studies or be accessable by those interested, or old enough, or just everybody. For an easy example, should materiel from the Nazi Concentration Camps be part of later years curriculum and if so to what level? Should "Mein Kampf" be freely available? No doubt there are other examples. Should photos depicting horrors be freely available as part of education? How about sex and close to it 'perversions' (ask ten people you might get ten different answers on what 'perversion' is).

All part of what I believe in as should be managed, somehow. It may disappoint our baboon, but I have no 100 page academic treaty to describe my believes neither will I make one. Terribly sorry and all that.

PS almost forgot, I didn't put the elements in order of importance, just in order they sprung up in my mind. Difficult to do ordering as all four elements are related.

The 'elites', the old elites or the new elites?

Anyway, good to know that we can count on America to start another war, this time in S-E Asia. Now I only wonder how representative you are for 'America's ideas and opinions.

What do you represent?

Strictly speaking not 'something' but only myself, just like you and pluto. That's is assuming all only represent themselves. Of course some may have an opinion which is shared by others. If there are 'lots' of those others, then the single opinion could be regarded as somewhat representative. IMHO

So vague a response as to be meaningless. A better question to ask rubl would be 'What do you stand for', not that you would get a much clearer answer, I suppose..

Rather than asking what I stand for you might ask 'what do you believe in". The answer would be "freedom, equality, democracy, education" and all in moderation as with 7++ billion people on this one Earth you simply need rules. I would assume you believe in something similar?

It's an insidious irony that fools claim the Thais like being held hostage .

And quote the hostage takers Polls to support their claims.

It's bordering on pathetic that their hatreds for a political party extend to do away with democracy in order to be at ease in their host country.

Perhaps when they are told to get out minus their money and property , they will reconsider their blind faith at the departure lounge .

These things never end well.

And repeating propaganda here is useless .

The international community will destroy this rule -

What happens in the mean time is what's concerning.

The elites don't represent the Thai people or its governance in any legal sense .

Wait until the bans and sanctions kick in.

Eventually the Americans will crush this rebellious attempt at hijacking democracy .

They won't permit the Chinese union and take over.

End of story

The 'elites', the old elites or the new elites?

Anyway, good to know that we can count on America to start another war, this time in S-E Asia. Now I only wonder how representative you are for 'America's ideas and opinions.

What do you represent?

Strictly speaking not 'something' but only myself, just like you and pluto. That's is assuming all only represent themselves. Of course some may have an opinion which is shared by others. If there are 'lots' of those others, then the single opinion could be regarded as somewhat representative. IMHO

The amount of revenue lost for Thai economy since the coup far surpasses the debt incurred by the Rice scam,

...the current account has been in surplus since last October. In December, the surplus hit an all-time high of US$5.15 billion. From 32.43 per dollar at end-September, the

baht rose 0.3 per cent to 32.36 at end-February. It weakened in the first week after the rate cut in March, but later regained strength. From $14.2 billion last year or 3.8 per cent of GDP, the International Monetary Fund expects a $17.2-billion surplus this year or 4.4 per cent. "It is interesting to note, however, that the terms of the trade index has actually gone up by about 10 per cent alongside the 7-per-cent gain in the baht's real effective exchange rate (REER) in the past 12 months.

This is unlike in 2011-13 (Yingluck government), when the terms of trade fell by 3 per cent while the REER gained some 10 per cent," he said.

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/business/Exporters-wish-for-a-weaker-baht-unlikely-to-be-<deleted>-30258803.html

I see you never let facts get in the way of your propaganda!

It is quite obvious that you don't know the meaning of these terms. Neither the worsening of terms of trade or the depreciation of a currency are necessarily a bad thing for an economy.

Absolutely. It's relative and whether positive or negative depends on whether one is pro the government at the time or against.

No, it's completely mathematical. Just look up the Marshall-Lerner condition.

Excuses, I was too vague I guess. I meant the acceptance of whether worsening of trace or depreciation/appreciated of valuta is dependent on whether one agrees with the government in place or not.

"Formally, the condition states that, for a currency devaluation to have a positive impact on trade balance, the sum of price elasticity ofexports and imports (in absolute value) must be greater than 1. The net effect on the trade balance will depend on price elasticities. If goods exported are elastic to price, their quantity demanded will increase proportionately more than the decrease in price, and total export revenue will increase. Similarly, if goods imported are elastic, total import expenditure will decrease. Both will improve the trade balance."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marshall–Lerner_condition

Now of course, one needs to put a value on the 'price elasticity' for export and import and defend that value with objective, absolute arguments.

And in breaking news; The Thai Broadcast Journalists Association urged the NTC to reconsider the decision to ban Peace TV.

While simultaneously; TVF fascist junta lovers were praising the same decision.

Wow, I wonder who has more insight into the issue?

Insight? Wouldn't that depend on the reasoning the TBJA gave when they asked the NTC to reconsider? Did your 'newsflash' say anything about that, or was it just an 'out of principle' request?

BTW 'TVF fascist junta lovers? Is that opposed to pro democracy for Thaksin posters? Better leave such labelling out of the discussion. Too subjective and somewhat provocative.

"Achieved what exactly"

Are you kidding, he prevented the country from sinking into oblivion, provided peace and stability, sorted the police out (well they were called the police, anyway), purged Thailand of any influence from the Shinawatra's, paid the rice farmers, is steadfastly cleaning up corruption, revitalising education etc: This man is a miracle worker!!!

What did Yingluck do? She lumbered Thailand with a huge 600 billion baht debt, allowed rampant corruption, ordered the police to do nothing to stop the murderous acts of Thaksin's stooges and lackeys. She also, mercifully failed to rig the senate so that they could pass any act or law that her brother wanted, failed to pay the farmers (which resulted in many suicides) and she flunked her key task - to get Thaksin his sought after amnesty. Not exactly a success story, is it.

Oh dear!!! other red posters are not going to thank you for the rest of your post .

You have basically rubbished democracy, stated how good and successful Prayut has been in quelling violence and sorting the country out ON ACCOUNT of using marshal law and article 44!! What a fantastic endorsement of his government's achievements through being able to expedite the necessary mechanisms and methods to carry out urgently needed reform BECAUSE OF marshal law and article 44. (with zero democracy) to hinder him!!

I think that your post is going to be one that you regretted making!!.

The amount of revenue lost for Thai economy since the coup far surpasses the debt incurred by the Rice scam, pass me a glass of that Kool aid you're drinking ? don't take my word for it, there are far greater economists who have stated the same thing.

Not all the rice farmers have been paid either ?

You seem to have a massive man crush on the PM watch out or Costas will scratch your eyes out.

If you seriously believe corruption has ended and the influence of the Shins have gone, why would they need to have shut down that red TV station then? Corruption is rampant in Thailand for every case been exposed there's dozens continuing.

The amount of revenue lost for Thai economy since the coup far surpasses the debt incurred by the Rice scam,

...the current account has been in surplus since last October. In December, the surplus hit an all-time high of US$5.15 billion. From 32.43 per dollar at end-September, the

baht rose 0.3 per cent to 32.36 at end-February. It weakened in the first week after the rate cut in March, but later regained strength. From $14.2 billion last year or 3.8 per cent of GDP, the International Monetary Fund expects a $17.2-billion surplus this year or 4.4 per cent. "It is interesting to note, however, that the terms of the trade index has actually gone up by about 10 per cent alongside the 7-per-cent gain in the baht's real effective exchange rate (REER) in the past 12 months.

This is unlike in 2011-13 (Yingluck government), when the terms of trade fell by 3 per cent while the REER gained some 10 per cent," he said.

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/business/Exporters-wish-for-a-weaker-baht-unlikely-to-be-<deleted>-30258803.html

I see you never let facts get in the way of your propaganda!

It is quite obvious that you don't know the meaning of these terms. Neither the worsening of terms of trade or the depreciation of a currency are necessarily a bad thing for an economy.

Absolutely. It's relative and whether positive or negative depends on whether one is pro the government at the time or against.

I guess he got tired of handing out gratuities to the cops

Makes me wonder why they always pick on the motorcycles and not the cars, vans and trucks?

Are the just fast easy targets?

I'm afraid that line of defence wouldn't help you much in court. Also one might wonder if the suspect Anuparb is in possession of a valid permit to carry a weapon. It would seem that lots of younger Thai carry but without the proper papers. Together with a macho attitude 'accidents' happen.

It's an insidious irony that fools claim the Thais like being held hostage .

And quote the hostage takers Polls to support their claims.

It's bordering on pathetic that their hatreds for a political party extend to do away with democracy in order to be at ease in their host country.

Perhaps when they are told to get out minus their money and property , they will reconsider their blind faith at the departure lounge .

These things never end well.

And repeating propaganda here is useless .

The international community will destroy this rule -

What happens in the mean time is what's concerning.

The elites don't represent the Thai people or its governance in any legal sense .

Wait until the bans and sanctions kick in.

Eventually the Americans will crush this rebellious attempt at hijacking democracy .

They won't permit the Chinese union and take over.

End of story

The 'elites', the old elites or the new elites?

Anyway, good to know that we can count on America to start another war, this time in S-E Asia. Now I only wonder how representative you are for 'America's ideas and opinions.

Yingluck achieved WHAT is what you should concentrate on NOT the PM.

As said a million times being elected democratically does not give any government the OK to disobey the law--go against the vow made ---This is nothing compared to the proven REGIME that was supposed to have run the country transparently--but shot it's self in the foot because it took it's orders from another land--proven fact.

Constructive criticism on TV channels is fine --but a line has to be drawn when they are used to disrupt and tarnish, when the owners are actually criminals, or were --- were they not ??? fair opposition is healthy.

But saying that the minority here will answer with the usual brainwashing camps--forced labour--N.Korea--Siberia----ha ha.

What dd Yingluck achieve. As you can see below she largely delivered on her election promises. Just as politicians are supposed to.

A national minimum daily wage of Bt300 ($10) nationally: Check

Universal medical care with patients making a co-payment of Bt30 ($1) per consultation: Check

Credit cards for farmers and a guaranteed price of Bt15,000 – Bt20,000 ($488 – $651) per ton for unmilled rice: Check

A moratorium for household debt up to Bt500,000 ($16,285) per household, with emphasis on debt reduction for teachers, farmers and civil servants: Check

A minimum monthly salary of Bt15,000 ($500) for university graduates and a “One Tablet-PC per Child” project for school children: Check

A 23.3 per cent reduction in corporate tax rates in the first year (from 30 to 20 percent) with a further 13 percent reduction in its second year to a flat 20 percent: Check

Reduced taxes for first home and first car buyers: Check

A standard Bt20 (65 cent) fare for all Bangkok’s mass transit rail lines (MRT): Companies wouldn't agree, but there was a date set

High-speed rail lines linking major provincial cities in the north, northeast, east and upper south regions: Was in progress

Rural village development funds of between Bt300,000 and Bt1 million ($9,770 – $32,573) per year: Can't find data

A welfare allowance of Bt600 ($19.55) per month for citizens over 60, increasing by Bt100 ($3.20) at 70, and 80, and rising by a further Bt200 ($6.40) at 90: Can't find data

Free Wi-Fi and Internet access in public places

30km (18.8 mile) of levees to protect Bangkok and satellite towns from Gulf of Thailand tidal surges: Was in progress

Special administrative status for Muslim provinces in the violence-plagued southern provinces: Can't find data

A war on drugs: Was in progress

Amnesty for political offensives committed since 2006: Caused the start of the Suthep protests

Read more: Thailand economy ignored in the 2011 Thailand general election - Thainess http://photo-journ.com/thainess-the-economy-the-2011-thailand-general-election/#ixzz3YbGG1PyE

"Amnesty for political offensives committed since 2006: Caused the start of the Suthep protests"

You might have missed that from 'amnesty promised for political offensives' (a typo I assume ) the blanket amnesty bill as pushed through covered 'political motivated' offences from 2004 till 2013-08-09. That's what started anti-government protests by yellow and red shirts alike. With help of Pheu Thai party list MPs and UDD leader there was a hasty correction which also included suggestions that of course Abhisit and Suthep wouldn't be included.

High speed rail was already in the planning, but of course a new government meant new plans to be made.

Etc., etc.

No real lies, but a good example of the suggestive positioning frequently observed on Peace TV.

My wife wont let me watch Thai Ladies Netball!

This TV station was closed down for one reason only - it supports the Redshirts.

To the Junta that makes it a legitimate target. As for those on this forum who applaud its closure, well it just confirms the suspicion that they don't care about the removal of freedoms from the Thai people.

This 'Peace TV' station was probably closed in part because it's a UDD station. For a larger part though it's about a tendentious reporting of events. It's just like a few posts we see here. People insinuate, suggest based on thin air, and the odd white lie. All in the name of democracy and for our most favourite criminal fugitive who is still described as the 'de facto' leader of the UDD.

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Another example of democracy the Prayuth way.

What is democracy in a some super rich criminal hires a TV channel to spread lies?

Well thats what Murdoch did and does, News International pandering to his neo-con and ultra capitalist mates

Silvio Berlusconi was also good at it.

An excellent solution, which would allow the Thais to select their own government.

Unfortunately they are unlikely to select the required government.

you mean like one that Thaksin has bought and paid for lol...............it seems Thaksins only way back is to go to jail and face all the other pending charges against him, I feel sorry for all the people that have lost their lives while he pursued his evil agenda

Has Thaksin actually ever gone on record to state he wants to come back and run the country his way? Or are you gulping down lumps and lumps of Yoghurt and Kool aid mate?

Thaksin isn't that popular country wide and what makes you honestly think that he would ever be able to govern the country again without actually being voted in?

you keep going on and on an on about this vote buying red herring, why can't you simply admit that his opponents are lacking in their ability to sway opinions of Thaksin supporters as their mandates and policies are just not appealing enough to them?

Why can't you see when you have the likes of Chitpas and other Hi-Sos and farangs here making derogatory comments about Thais not being educated enough to vote and they don't deserve a democracy then the Democrats are never in a million years going to be able to share any sort of common bond with the people they despise the most?

Thailand has a class problem and as soon as they stop treating the electorate with inequality the better things will perhaps get better.

The haves will always treat the have nots with contempt no matter their voting preferences.

Forget Thaksin, his days of returning are long gone, not unless the entire country falls asleep and he steals the keys for the Generals big room!!

Well, Thaksin was running the country his way and he wanted to come back. Luckily not everyone was sleeping.

Can someone please point me in the direction of the UK charter please? Or the German charter? The French one? Surely the American one?

This site has a few constitutions in English

http://www.servat.unibe.ch/icl/index.html