TallGuyJohninBKK

Don't feed the anti-vax trolls... It just encourages more trolling.

Personally, rather than fixating on partisan political minutiae, I'd prefer to look at what the COVID vaccines really accomplished in the U.S., regardless of what anyone predicted back at the time: COVID Vaccines Saved More Than 3 Million U.S. Lives Since 2020 "Dec. 13, 2022 – COVID-19 vaccinations prevented 3.2 million deaths and 18.5 million hospitalizations in the United States from December 2020 through November 2022, according to a new report Tuesday from the Commonwealth Fund and Yale School of Public Health. The report, developed from computer modeling, comes as the U.S. approaches the second anniversary of the administration of the first COVID vaccine in the country to nurse Sandra Lindsay on Dec. 14, 2020. Cost savings from those averted medical expenses add up to $1.15 trillion in savings to the U.S. health system, according to the report by a team led by Meagan C. Fitzpatrick, PhD, with the Center for Vaccine Development and Global Health at University of Maryland in Baltimore." (more) https://www.webmd.com/vaccines/covid-19-vaccine/news/20221213/covid-vaccines-saved-more-than-3-million-us-lives The above outcome is what matters. The rest is just predictable anti-vax noise.

Sure, EVERYONE was saying 100%.... everywhere you went back then... Just look at the headlines ????. Who could have thought otherwise??? Source link:

Usually in PayPal, there's no DL info associated with any of the payment method profiles a person keeps in their PayPay wallet -- just the usual stuff about card or account number, card expiration date, CVV code, etc.

All the major health entities agree that COVID vaccinations for children are safe and effective, with any side effects rare and typically mild to moderate and short-term. COVID certainly is not safe...when it comes to children, even if the risks overall are low at the population level.

The Thai MoPH's position here on COVID vaccinations for infants is a recommendation to parents -- not any kind of government mandate. Parents can decide if they want to follow the Thai MoPH's advice, or follow the advice of some posters here who have no professional expertise in public health or the medical aspects of vaccinations, but still want to play COVID Russian Roulette with the lives of youngsters. Per the U.S. CDC: "Among 397 children hospitalized during the Omicron-predominant period, 87% were unvaccinated, 30% had no underlying medical conditions, and 19% were admitted to an intensive care unit (ICU). The cumulative hospitalization rate during the Omicron-predominant period was 2.1 times as high among unvaccinated children (19.1 per 100,000 population) as among vaccinated¶ children (9.2)." https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/71/wr/mm7116e1.htm?s_cid=mm7116e1_w

My dog ate my postal scanning device.... ????

Moderna and Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccines Authorized for Children 6 Months and Older June 15, 2022 "While members of the [U.S.] FDA committee widely felt that parents should be able to vaccinate their young children against COVID-19, some argued it’s important to keep the disease’s relatively modest effects on kids in perspective. In response, Dr. Arthur Reingold, head of epidemiology at the University of California, Berkeley’s School of Public Health, noted that kids are routinely vaccinated against diseases that carry low risks of hospitalization and death—and COVID-19 should be no different." https://time.com/6187674/covid-19-vaccines-kids-under-five-fda/ AND "Regulators also emphasized that even though young children are generally at low risk for serious illness from the virus, vaccinating the group would save lives. “We have to be careful that we don’t become numb to the number of pediatric deaths because of the overwhelming number of older deaths here,” Dr. Peter Marks, the F.D.A.’s top vaccine regulator, said. “The intervention we’re talking about here is one that is something that we have accepted in the past to try to prevent deaths from influenza,” he added. https://www.nytimes.com/2022/06/16/us/politics/covid-vaccines-fda-children.html

//Deleted post edited out// It's MoPH's choice to post most of their info intended for general public consumption on Facebook. So it's not Facebook's content there, but the Thai MoPH's. The data and numbers are the same, via either source, since they're coming direct from and being posted by Thai MoPH. https://ddc.moph.go.th/covid19-dashboard/

The OP report here and the MoPH say they do have a clear basis in reality, contrary to your unsubstantiated claims. Specifically from the OP: "Dr, Tares Krassanairawiwong, director-general of the Disease Control Department, said that, from January 1st to May 20th,the COVID-19 infection rate among under children less than a year old was 1,581 for every 100,000 of the population, followed by 647 for 100,000 of the population among people aged over 70." He appears to be saying in the above comment that infants under age 1 have the highest per capita COVID infection rate of any age group in Thailand. That's a pretty significant "basis."

So what to make of the current COVID resurgence in Thailand? Let's put it in some context, and look at Thailand's recent weekly levels of new COVID hospitalizations and new COVID deaths. Here's where Thailand was at the beginning of this year amid the high travel holidays season: 997 weekly COVID hospitalizations and 58 deaths. And here's where Thailand was at the beginning of April: 167 weekly COVID hospitalizations and 3 weekly deaths. And here's where Thailand is now, as of the latest report for last week: 3,085 new weekly COVID hospitalizations and 68 new COVID deaths. https://www.facebook.com/informationcovid19/photos --New weekly COVID deaths are at their highest level of the year. --New COVID hospitalizations are at their highest level of the year. --Current new COVID hospitalizations are three times the level at the beginning of the year, and 18 times the level at the beginning of April. All of that is a problem.

You make it sound like the WHO opposed childhood COVID vaccinations. They did not. And in fact, Thailand is exactly following the guidance that the WHO laid out in the source document you linked above. Specifically: “Countries should consider their specific context in deciding whether to continue vaccinating low risk groups, like healthy children and adolescents, while not compromising the routine vaccines that are so crucial for the health and well-being of this age group.” Emphasis on the WHO's use of the term "their specific context" in terms of how countries should go about setting their individual vaccine policies. Yes, Thailand is considering its specific context, acting based on the finding, as reported in the OP here, that infants under age 1 in Thailand have the highest per capita COVID infection rate of any age group, and about twice that of the next highest group. And further from the WHO: "The low priority group includes healthy children and adolescents aged 6 months to 17 years. Primary and booster doses are safe and effective in children and adolescents. However, considering the low burden of disease, SAGE urges countries considering vaccination of this age group to base their decisions on contextual factors, such as the disease burden, cost effectiveness, and other health or programmatic priorities and opportunity costs." Yes, the WHO confirmed, contrary to many false claims by various anti-vax posters here, that COVID vaccines "are safe and effective in children and adolescents."

From the MoPH website, this is the latest breakdown for the past week (May 28 thru June 3) of the Thai provinces with the most new COVID hospitalizations. As usual, Bangkok and Chonburi lead the list just in terms of raw numbers of new COVID hospitalizations. Via Google Translate: https://ddc.moph.go.th/covid19-dashboard/?dashboard=province

No, it was a few isolated instances of a few politicians or government officials slightly overstating the details of the very good benefits that the COVID vaccines were expected to accomplish. Which, in my view, is a whole lot more acceptable than others in the political realm who publicly promoted unproven and dangerous medications that led to people poisoning themselves thinking that they were taking COVID cures/treatments. Save your outrage for where it's truly deserved.

Let's see...and this one is not a hard one to decide... On one hand, we've got the Thai MoPH, US CDC and American Academy of Pediatrics among others (as cited and sourced above) telling us COVID vaccinations for children, even young children, is a good and needed thing. And even the WHO confirming that childhood COVID vaccinations are safe and effective. And on the other hand, we've got a bunch of posters here with, from all appearances, no medical or public health background / expertise at all throwing up their hands in protest, and usually offering few credible sources or attributions for their multitudes of vaccine related claims. Not hard to decide whatsoever.

How do you value the estimated 3 million+ lives saved just in the U.S. thru Nov. 2022 because of COVID vaccinations? $1.1 TRILLION saved is "measly"?

The BKK Post and the Thai PBS report here both quote MoPH officials as saying thus far in 2023, the group of children under age 1 in Thailand has the highest per capita rate of COVID infections (the Post says "illness") among all age groups in Thailand, by a wide margin. The Post also quoted a local pediatrician as saying COVID vaccination cuts the risks of long Covid symptoms and multisystem inflammatory syndrome in children (MIS-C).

Except of course, for the fact that Thailand just recorded its highest number of weekly COVID deaths for all of 2023 thus far -- 68 just in the past week. Along with another year-high tally of 3,085 new COVID hospitalizations for the week.... So it's not so "non severe" as you'd attempt to have people believe, especially for the older age groups and those of any age group with health vulnerabilities.

Thai MoPH, US CDC, American Academy of Pediatrics and others say otherwise.

You're entitled to your opinion. It's not mine. COVID vaccinations saving lives and preventing illness is a pertinent topic no matter what age group or territory is involved. But it would be better of the authorities in Thailand made public more detailed COVID and vaccine related info as occurs in places like the U.S. and U.K., so everyone can clearly understand the benefits involved.

You mean like this: or this: or this:

A few dozen COVID vaccine related deaths in the UK, less in the U.S. (not to diminish those...) But millions of lives saved by COVID vaccinations overall. The math is not hard to figure out. COVID vaccines saved 20M lives in 1st year, scientists say June 24, 2022 "Nearly 20 million lives were saved by COVID-19 vaccines during their first year, but even more deaths could have been prevented if international targets for the shots had been reached, researchers reported Thursday." ... “Catastrophic would be the first word that comes to mind,” Watson said of the outcome if vaccines hadn’t been available to fight the coronavirus. The findings “quantify just how much worse the pandemic could have been if we did not have these vaccines.” The researchers used data from 185 countries to estimate that vaccines prevented 4.2 million COVID-19 deaths in India, 1.9 million in the United States, 1 million in Brazil, 631,000 in France and 507,000 in the United Kingdom." https://apnews.com/article/covid-science-health-england-54d29ae3af5c700f15d704c14ee224b5

Saving lives and reducing illness thru COVID vaccinations is exactly what the thread is about. The Thai MoPH is offering prudent advice to the public: Children under 12 months old should be vaccinated against COVID-19 They've already and previously made it very clear in numerous pronouncements that older age groups should get their COVID vaccines and stay up to date with boosters as well. Seems very smart advice, especially on a day when MoPH updates that new COVID hospitalizations and new COVID deaths in Thailand both reached their highest levels of 2023.

Not to mention, the vast majority of COVID vaccinations done here in Thailand are done thru government-run or sponsored vaccination centers. I think I've had 7 shots since the beginning of the pandemic, and never once been injected by a doctor or been seen by a doctor for that purpose. It's just more conspiracy theory nonsense.

Report: COVID-19 vaccines saved US $1.15 trillion, 3 million lives December 14, 2022 " A Commonwealth Fund study estimates that, through November 2022, COVID-19 vaccines prevented more than 18.5 million US hospitalizations and 3.2 million deaths and saved the country $1.15 trillion. The modeling study estimated hospitalizations and deaths averted through the end of November 2022, at a time when 80% of the US population had received at least one dose of COVID-19 vaccine." https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/covid-19/report-covid-19-vaccines-saved-us-115-trillion-3-million-lives