TallGuyJohninBKK

The chart and statistics were specific to deaths in the U.S. Are large numbers of Americans dying in a war somewhere in the U.S. right now?

And yet, your speculation about how deaths are counted, undercounted, or overcounted here is largely fact-free.... and filled with your own largely unsourced speculations.

In the U.S., as a general rule, a case only gets counted as a COVID related death if COVID either directly caused or contributed to the person's death. That's why doctors there fill out causes on the death certificates. And, there's wide agreement among COVID scientists and researchers that the various official COVID death counts tallied by governments are in fact undercounts to the actual deaths that have occurred.

COVID-19 leading cause of death ranking November 10, 2022 "At the time of this brief, COVID-19 is on track to be the third leading cause of death in the U.S. for the third year in a row. COVID-19 claimed 340,000 lives in 2020, 475,000 lives in 2021, and so far, has taken 230,000 lives in 2022 through September." https://www.healthsystemtracker.org/brief/covid-19-leading-cause-of-death-ranking/

I'm not worried. But I do object to those here who falsely claim nothing is occurring with COVID these days either here in Thailand or elsewhere in the world.... when many people are still getting stick and some still are dying from COVID. "Dr Thares advised all high-risk groups to promptly obtain a new booster shot of the Covid-19 vaccine, particularly focusing on the elderly and those with chronic illnesses. To adapt to the escalating number of new infections, the Ministry of Public Health will revise its vaccination strategy. From next month, booster shots will be administered as they would for seasonal flu vaccinations." https://thethaiger.com/news/national/adapting-ddcs-vaccination-strategy-to-address-increasing-cases

A 250% week over week increase in Thailand COVID hospitalizations is your version of "tiny"?

All the info you want is available at the website you linked to above... but you obviously don't want to acknowledge it... Not to mention that I've previously posted it here in this thread. From the U.S. CDC, all relating to Omicron: "New Hospital Admissions The current 7-day daily average for April 4–11, 2023, was 1,870. Deaths The current 7-day average of new deaths (190) decreased 25.4% compared with the previous 7-day average (254)." PS - surgical nurses don't usually get involved in treating COVID cases.

The official world death count from COVID is approaching 7 million, and the real estimates based on excess deaths data has been put more in the 15-20 million range. How much of an UNDER reaction to that do you want?

190 people per day are dying of COVID on average each and every day in the U.S., per the U.S. CDC. Thailand COVID new hospitalizations are running 60+ per day. We can't talk about actual Thailand COVID cases, because the government doesn't publicly count and report them anymore. And all the major public health agencies -- for our purposes here, WHO, CDC and Thai MoPH, continue to recommend mask wearing to help prevent COVID.

Actually you would hear plenty about them, if you bothered to keep yourself informed and up-to-date on COVID developments in the news.

The Thailand numbers aren't continuing to drop. As the prior news reports in this thread show, COVID hospitalizations increased about 250% from two weeks prior to this past week. You keep saying Covid "is basically gone," but never put forth any sourced facts to support your false claims.

re your various points... --I don't drive a car or motorcycle in Thailand because of the health/safety risks. --I do my best to avoid and prevent mosquito environments since no one should want to come down with dengue. --Perhaps because in part I regularly wear an N95 mask when around others, I haven't had any viral infections in the past several years. I try to be consistent and thoughtful in what I do.

People still die from and end up being hospitalized by Omicron, where pneumonia still occurs (as with the Thai MoPH episodes of intubation cited above) and can still be fatal even during Omicron. Mothers passed COVID to babies through placenta, possibly causing brain damage, death ... "This is the first study to show the transmission of COVID through the placenta resulting in brain damage in infants, the press release said. ... Although both babies tested negative for the COVID-19 virus at birth, they experienced "seizures, small head sizes and developmental delays," the press release said. One of the babies died suddenly at 13 months old." https://www.foxnews.com/health/mothers-passed-covid-babies-placenta-possibly-causing-brain-damage-death AND From a study involving a South Korean hospital: Comparison of the causes of death associated with delta and Omicron SARS-CoV-2 variants infection "During the Omicron-dominant period, 42 (6%) of 654 patients with COVID-19 were admitted died (Supplemental Figure 1). The primary cause of death was COVID-19–associated pneumonia in both the Omicron (64%, 27/42) and Delta (88%, 37/42) eras." https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9710103/

Primarily home delivery since COVID, though we'll rarely eat out if we can find a setting that's low risk.

January 2023 from the WHO: WHO updates COVID-19 guidelines on masks, treatments and patient care ... Masks continue to be a key tool against COVID-19 "WHO continues to recommend the use of masks by the public in specific situations, and this update recommends their use irrespective of the local epidemiological situation, given the current spread of the COVID-19 globally. Masks are recommended following a recent exposure to COVID-19, when someone has or suspects they have COVID-19, when someone is at high-risk of severe COVID-19, and for anyone in a crowded, enclosed, or poorly ventilated space. Previously, WHO recommendations were based on the epidemiological situation." Note their current advisory -- "for anyone in a crowded, enclosed, or poorly ventilated space." https://www.who.int/news/item/13-01-2023-who-updates-covid-19-guidelines-on-masks--treatments-and-patient-care

Science and the real world says you're wrong.... See the latest Thai COVID hospitalizations data and the US COVID deaths, hospitalizations and new cases data posted earlier in this thread. This thread, after all, is supposed to be about the rising numbers of COVID hospitalizations in Thailand.... not a debate on face masks.

International flight airline jets have HEPA air filtration systems for cabin air. BTS trains do not. Also, while I'd certainly still wear a mask on a long, confined space airline flight.... the burden of doing so is certainly greater than wearing one for 5 or 10 minutes on a brief BTS trip.

"Dr Ben Patterson, from the St George's University Hospitals NHS Foundation Trust in London and lead author. "That doesn't mean masks are worthless against Omicron," he said, "but their real-world benefit in isolation appears to be, at best, modest in a healthcare setting". The authors acknowledged limitations of the study, including that it was an observational study so can't prove causation, staff adherence to the mask-wearing policy was not assessed, and that the researchers were unable to determine staff infection rates."

"Masks have played a key role in keeping us all safe throughout the Covid-19 pandemic. ... Many studies show that masks work, and they work best when everyone wears a high-quality one to protect each other. Masks are magnificent." --Dr Lucky Tran is a scientist and public health communicator who works at Columbia University.... He holds a PhD in biochemistry from the University of Cambridge https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/feb/27/dont-believe-those-who-claim-science-proves-masks-dont-work The following link is a CDC recap on the many studies that have been done showing the protective effects of face mask wearing: "At least ten studies have confirmed the benefit of universal masking in community level analyses: in a unified hospital system,47 a German city,48 two U.S. states,49, 50 a panel of 15 U.S. states and Washington, D.C.,51, 52 as well as both Canada53 and the U.S.54-56 nationally. Each analysis demonstrated that, following directives from organizational and political leadership for universal masking, new infections fell significantly. Two of these studies51, 52 and an additional analysis of data from 200 countries that included the U.S.56 also demonstrated reductions in mortality." https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/science/science-briefs/masking-science-sars-cov2.html

Face masks reduce the risk of spreading and contracting COVID... The better the mask, the greater the reduction in risk. Wearing a mask helps protects others around you from you, should you be infected, and helps reduce your risk of becoming infected. Use Masks to Slow the Spread of COVID-19 "Wear a Mask to Protect Yourself and Others Masking is a critical public health tool and it is important to remember that any mask is better than no mask. Wear the most protective mask you can that fits well and that you will wear consistently." https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/prevent-getting-sick/masks.html

As you note, most passengers on BTS these days are following the BTS and MoPH's guidance to wear face masks when traveling on the system... I'd agree, probably 90% as you said are still wearing masks... And the few that aren't typically appear to be western tourists, by and large. Protect yourself and protect those around you... mask up when in close indoor quarters with others, which is exactly what being on a crowded BTS train is.

You have no clue what you're talking about, and simply are wrong: Regarding Thailand, from the above news report from yesterday: "The department issued the warning after the Covid infection rate surged by 250% during the week to April 15 from the previous week. Department director-general Tharet Krutnairawiwong said 435 patients were admitted to hospital for treatment of Covid-19 between April 9 and 15, about 62 cases per day. Of the number, 30 had lung inflammation and 19 were put on ventilators, up 58% and 36% respectively, from the previous week." And meanwhile in the U.S., COVID cases and deaths have been dropping, but the COVID deaths are still averaging about 190 PER DAY, according to the CDC. Reported Cases As of April 12, 2023, the current 7-day average of weekly new cases (14,491) decreased 17.3% compared with the previous 7-day average (17,519). [Daily] New Hospital Admissions The current 7-day daily average for April 4–11, 2023, was 1,870. [Daily] Deaths The current 7-day average of new deaths (190) decreased 25.4% compared with the previous 7-day average (254). https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/covid-data/covidview/index.html

I'd encourage the governor to go outside, and breathe deeply for extended periods of time, and see what happens with his "natural phenomenon..." https://aqicn.org/station/thailand/phuket/ศูนย์พัฒนาทักษะและการเรียนรู้-cic-ภูเก็ต-ต.วิชิต-อ.เมือง-จ.ภูเก็ต/

It also made a hell of a lot of people very sick and dead.... and vastly more would have been even sicker or died were it not for the medical professionals who treated them and the vaccines developed for COVID. "Globally, as of 10:11am CEST, 12 April 2023, there have been 762,791,152 confirmed cases of COVID-19, including 6,897,025 deaths, reported to WHO." https://covid19.who.int/ "WHO estimates that between 80 000 and 180 000 health and care workers could have died from COVID-19 in the period between January 2020 to May 2021, converging to a medium scenario of 115 500 deaths1." https://www.who.int/news/item/20-10-2021-health-and-care-worker-deaths-during-covid-19

I've been "locked down" at home for the past 4-5 days, and it had absolutely nothing to do with COVID.... ???? But for a virus/disease that some people wrongly claim poses no health risk, it's sure putting hundreds of people in Thailand into hospitals... And, for sure, no one really wants to spend their Song Kran holidays hospitalized, if they don't really need to be there.