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Predictable comments from MAGA types, as the Newsweek headline correctly reports -- "MAGA Attacks ABC Moderators After Debate" Perhaps it has something to do with the fact that CNN, as earlier cited and sourced in this thread, reported that Trump had made more than 30 false claims during the debate, while Harris had at most made a couple disputed or in question claims. Trump was a literal tidal wave of falsehoods during the debate, and it's to their credit that the ABC moderators at least challenged him on a couple of many he uttered. CNN Fact-Checks ‘Staggeringly Dishonest’ Trump Debate Circus ‘UNTETHERED TO REALITY’ The network did not have time to go through all of the 33 lies Trump spewed during the 90-minute debate but concluded it was “just lie after lie.” https://www.thedailybeast.com/cnn-fact-checks-staggeringly-dishonest-donald-trump-debate-circus "Trump again delivered a staggering quantity and variety of false claims, some of which were egregious lies about topics including abortion, immigration and the economy. Harris was far more accurate than Trump; CNN’s preliminary count found just one false claim from the vice president, though she also added some claims that were misleading or lacking in key context." https://www.cnn.com/2024/09/10/politics/fact-check-debate-trump-harris/index.html

Your posts above are full of snarky generic comments and opinions, with rarely anything of any substance or credibility to back them up. That's what happens when pretty much the entire political world is saying your candidate was the clear loser. For clear evidence, see the numerous media report cited and sourced above on this page and earlier in this thread.

Democratic watch parties finally relish a debate night performance From San Francisco to Chicago to D.C., Democrats were thrilled to see their nominee land some attacks against Trump. SAN FRANCISCO — A lively crowd gathered at a political watering hole in San Francisco, where Vice President Kamala Harris was previously district attorney, was in stitches throughout much of the two-hour debate. The mood at Manny's in the Mission was so jubilant that the gathering often felt more like a comedy roast than a presidential debate, with the audience howling as former President Donald Trump falsely claimed that immigrants are “eating” household pets — and then wrangled with ABC’s moderators tried to fact-check him live. The laughter continued as she baited Trump by mocking the size of his rallies, and the Harris-friendly crowd cheered and whistled as the Democrat landed one-liners like, “Donald Trump was fired by 81 million people. Clearly, he is having a very difficult time processing that.” (more) https://www.politico.com/live-updates/2024/09/10/trump-harris-presidential-debate-tonight/dems-cartwheel-over-harris-performance-00178547

Harris gets under Trump’s skin, over and over She taunted the crowd size of his rallies and got him on the defense over Project 2025. Kamala Harris set a hook. And Donald Trump took the bait — over and over again. In the first face-to-face showdown between the two presidential candidates, she taunted him for his crowd sizes, his past bankruptcies, his inherited wealth and more. Mocking Trump’s stature on the global stage, Harris claimed that world leaders laugh at him — a barb aimed squarely at his personal insecurities. The result left Trump on the defensive — and struggling to land hits even as the discussion turned to territory friendlier for him like immigration and the economy. (more) https://www.politico.com/news/2024/09/10/harris-trump-debate-taunts-analysis-00178517

I'll believe it when I see it... They've been spouting this kind of stuff for years as regards to reduced rail transit fares and system integration in BKK, and not much has come from it thus far.

Harris won the debate — and it wasn’t close Kamala Harris showed up — and then some. The vice president’s performance against Donald Trump, in which she repeatedly baited him and knocked him off balance, was a far cry from President Joe Biden’s disastrous June debate. And it gave Democrats the role reversal they had hoped for after their switch at the top of the ticket. The two candidates entered the debate deadlocked in the polls — and in a deeply polarized nation, the race is still likely to remain close. But voters got their first look at Harris going toe-to-toe with Trump, and she did more than hold her own. (more) https://www.politico.com/news/2024/09/11/harris-biden-debate-winner-takeaways-00178442

CNN instant poll: Kamala Harris ran away with it A survey of debate watchers showed a clear victor. A majority of voters who watched Tuesday’s debate picked Kamala Harris as the winner, according to an instant CNN/SSRS survey. In the poll, 63 percent of those who watched the debate — a group that is not representative of the electorate as a whole — said Harris won. Just 37 percent said Donald Trump won the debate. Harris’ apparent victory is notable because the same group of voters went into the debate with mixed expectations. Asked before the debate whom they thought would win, 50 percent predicted Harris, and 50 percent chose Trump. (more) https://www.politico.com/live-updates/2024/09/10/trump-harris-presidential-debate-tonight/cnn-flash-poll-harris-won-00178566

Only in deluded MAGA land.... 162 lies and distortions in a news conference. NPR fact-checks former President Trump August 11, 2024 ... "7. “Kamala's record is horrible. She's a radical left person at a level that nobody's seen.” It’s debatable how liberal Harris is. Some in California didn’t like her record on criminal justice and thought she was not progressive enough. She’s clearly liked by progressives and her voting scores as a senator are on the liberal end of the spectrum, but is she “radical left” and “at a level that nobody’s seen”? There are plenty of people alive and in history who would be considered far more liberal and more radical." https://www.npr.org/2024/08/11/nx-s1-5070566/trump-news-conference AND Trump calls Harris a Marxist, a communist, even a fascist. Why his wild punches don’t land "So why is Trump’s free-swinging rhetoric failing? For one thing, Harris isn’t — and never has been — a Marxist, and most voters appear to recognize that. In her abortive presidential campaign in 2019, she cast herself as a progressive — but she was still closer to the center than candidates like independent Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders, who (unlike Harris) describes himself as a democratic socialist." https://archive.ph/wjUg0 https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2024-09-02/presidential-election-donald-trump-calls-kamala-harris-a-marxist-a-communist-even-a-fascist-why-his-wild-punches-arent-landing

Per Forbes: "While the betting markets believe the election remains fairly close, this is a strong consensus among bettors that Harris won the debate. Polymarket bookmakers believe Harris has a 98% chance of being judged the winner of Tuesday night’s debate in consolidated post-debate snap polls. Big Number 2.7%. That is the size of Harris’ lead over Trump in national polls, according to FiveThirtyEight’s weighted average." https://www.forbes.com/sites/siladityaray/2024/09/11/harris-surges-past-trump-in-election-betting-markets-after-presidential-debate/ Also, as reported and sourced previously in this thread, both the Washington Post and Fox News both did post debate focus groups with undecided voters, and in both cases, the majority said Harris won the debate. As for your cited Reuters report: "Reuters interviewed 10 people who were still unsure how they were going to vote in the Nov. 5 election before they watched the debate. Six said afterward they would now either vote for Trump or were leaning toward backing him. Three said they would now back Harris and one was still unsure how he would vote." All of ten people...well, that certainly calls it! 🙂

Sep 11, 2024 Vice President Kamala Harris vaulted past President Donald Trump to become the bookmaker’s favorite to win the November election on Tuesday night, after a strong showing in the first presidential debate. According to the Election Betting Odds tracker, which consolidates betting numbers from four separate markets, bookmakers now believe Harris has a 51.8% chance of winning compared to Trump’s 46.9%. This is a major shift in favor of Harris, whose chances have risen by more than four and half points in the past 24 hours, while Trump’s have plummeted by four. (more) https://www.forbes.com/sites/siladityaray/2024/09/11/harris-surges-past-trump-in-election-betting-markets-after-presidential-debate/

Sounds like post debate damage control by Graham for this: ‘Disaster’: Lindsey Graham Leads Right-Wing Freak-Out Over Trump’s Debate Right-wing politicians, pundits, and journalists agonize over Trump’s flailing performance, and attack ABC moderators David Muir and Linsey Davis for their rigorous fact-checking. For Lindsey Graham, there was only one word for Donald Trump’s Tuesday night debate performance against Kamala Harris: “Disaster.” Trump was unprepared, and his debate team should be fired, Graham told Tim Miller, host of The Bulwark Podcast. (more) https://www.thedailybeast.com/disaster-lindsey-graham-leads-right-wing-freak-out-over-trumps-debate

Never thought I'd be posting from the Trump-favorite New York Post... But today is an auspicious day! If this is what the NYP is saying, they you know just how really bad it was for Trump. Harris campaign calls for second debate less than an hour after Trump’s performance is panned by critics https://nypost.com/2024/09/10/us-news/harris-campaign-calls-for-second-debate-after-trumps-performance-is-panned-by-critics/ Trump debate performance panned as well-prepped Harris gets help from ABC moderators: ‘3 on 1’ https://nypost.com/ Perhaps that's because, as CNN has already reported in posts previously posted here, their count had Trump putting toward more than 30 falsehoods during the debate, compared to just a handful of disputed claims by Harris. It sounds merely like the debate moderators challenged Trump to respond on his torrent of lies.

Trump wins the debate falsehoods derby in a landslide, per CNN: Fact-checking the ABC News presidential debate (CNN) — Former President Donald Trump delivered more than 30 false claims during Tuesday’s presidential debate against Vice President Kamala Harris, CNN’s preliminary count found – as he did during his June debate against President Joe Biden. Trump again delivered a staggering quantity and variety of false claims, some of which were egregious lies about topics including abortion, immigration and the economy. Harris was far more accurate than Trump; CNN’s preliminary count found just one false claim from the vice president, though she also added some claims that were misleading or lacking in key context. (more) https://edition.cnn.com/2024/09/10/politics/fact-check-debate-trump-harris/index.html

Ohh yes they do. But Trump is thus far winning the falsehoods competition by a mile! "In CBS' list linked above, four major falsehoods by Trump. And regarding Harris' remarks, one rated inconclusive and the other rated "Partially true, needs context."

Speaking of cognitive decline: Biden's exit makes Trump the oldest nominee in U.S. history Trump, at 78, becomes the oldest nominee in U.S. history if Harris or someone else younger than Trump succeeds Biden atop the Democratic ticket. https://www.axios.com/2024/07/21/kamala-harris-age-presidential-nominee

Project 2025 Leader Confesses Deep Trump Ties in Damning Interview Donald Trump is probably fuming about this interview with former Project 2025 director Paul Dans. "Speaking to Kaitlin Collins on The Source, the project’s former director, Paul Dans, admitted that he’s visited Trump’s Mar-a-Lago estate several times and has spoken with Trump’s campaign staff there, including the campaign’s co-chair Susie Wiles." https://newrepublic.com/post/185765/project-2025-leader-paul-dans-trump-ties-interview Ex-Trump Administration Officials Involved in Project 2025: Full List Despite former president Donald Trump denying any links to Project 2025, dozens of contributors to the controversial policy proposals formerly served in his administration. ... Many contributors to the policy document, including its director, Paul Dans, one of its editors, Steven Groves, and its associate director, Spencer Chretien, all previously served in the Trump administration. In total, 31 contributors served at various levels in and around Trump's administration. Here is a complete list: (more) https://www.newsweek.com/project-2025-ex-trump-contributors-republicans-election-1922933

Right.... https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/harris-trump-presidential-debate-election-2024/card/harris-greets-supporters-after-debate-EHQFxhDzt9INTC7RTQXl

Trump getting more unhinged and falling into more delusions: False: Trump claims Haitian immigrants are "eating the dogs" and pets in Springfield, Ohio Trump: "In Springfield, they're eating the dogs — the people that came in — they're eating the cats. They're eating — they're eating the pets of the people that live there. And this is what's happening in our country, and it's a shame." Details: Officials in Springfield, Ohio, say they have not received any credible reports of Haitian immigrants abducting and eating pets, despite viral claims on social media that have been amplified this week by Republican vice presidential nominee Sen. JD Vance and others. A city spokesperson told CBS News there have been "no credible reports or specific claims" of pets being harmed by immigrants. Clark County Park District officials told CBS News there has been "no evidence or reports" of people eating pets or wildlife. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-harris-abc-debate-fact-check/

Looks like the fact checkers at CBS News were quite busy swatting down all the falsehoods Trump put forward at the debate: Fact checking debate claims from Trump and Harris' 2024 presidential face-off False: Trump claims "millions and millions of people" are "pouring into our country monthly" ... False: Trump claims "they had the highest inflation perhaps in the history of our country" ... False: Trump claims Walz says "execution after birth" of babies "is okay." (more) https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-harris-abc-debate-fact-check/ In CBS' list linked above, four major falsehoods by Trump. And regarding Harris' remarks, one rated inconclusive and the other rated "Partially true, needs context."

They say photos can be worth a thousand words.. Let's see what the Wall Street Journal had to say via their post debate photos: https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/harris-trump-presidential-debate-election-2024 The old guy is toast!

Interesting that on that Fox News link you posted above, it currently has a video with Fox asking a focus group of voters in their studio who they thought won the debate, and most of them said Harris won... and that's even on the Fox network. https://www.foxnews.com/video/6361820235112

From CNN: Harris baits Trump: Harris appeared to have a plan to throw Trump off his game, and she seemed to succeed during the contentious debate, saying that foreign leaders were laughing at him and accusing him of belittling people. Harris also called out Trump for attacking her racial identity. Trump’s arguments: Trump blamed Harris for President Joe Biden’s policies, including the US withdrawal from Afghanistan and immigration, as he vowed to improve the economy. He also repeated lies about widespread fraud in the 2020 election. Big endorsement: After the debate, superstar singer Taylor Swift endorsed Harris, saying that the vice president “fights for the rights and causes I believe need a warrior to champion them.” https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/trump-harris-debate-abc-09-10-24/index.html The big liar just can't stop with his lying.....

For all the Trumpers here who started disparaging Harris before the debate had even started, let's have a look at the real world: Harris Dominates Fiery Debate, Putting Trump on the Defensive https://aseannow.com/topic/1337872-trump-harris-who-won-the-debate/

More showing Harris' debate performance moved the needle in her favor: Who won the Harris-Trump debate? We asked swing-state voters. September 11, 2024 In the first presidential debate between Vice President Kamala Harris and former president Donald Trump, The Washington Post tried something new: We asked a group of uncommitted, swing-state voters in real time about their reactions to Tuesday’s debate. They thought Harris performed better, regardless of how they plan to vote in November. (more) https://archive.ph/jdxni https://www.washingtonpost.com/elections/interactive/2024/presidential-debate-voter-poll/

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