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Gaccha, you are saying the British were "nationally blind" to defend the Falklands. Regardless of the proximity of an island to other nations, you don't just give in to aggression from the close neighbour. It's a little bit more complicated than that.
I'm quite happy for the Union Jack to be used to represent England or Britain, it's just some Scots, Welsh and N.Irish who seem to resent it so much even when all are so closely linked in ways of life, genes and geography.
Yes, it is much more complicated than an issue of geographical proximity.
By saying "British" is to let oneself be governed by a prevailing geopolitical mode of representation and to engage in the continuation of a complex practice. The dominant statist discourse is a mode of reality-making.
The object and general grammar (i.e. "Britain", "invasion") allows a licence to forget the history of struggles in which entities ("Britain", "Argentinia") have come to be domesticated within modern international space. This forgetting is scripted or institutionalised.
The mentality of nationalism is a mentality of accepting the rusting discourse that is the privileging of nation-states.
So, you say "you don't just give in to aggression from the close neighbour. It's a little bit more complicated than that." Note how you use the domesticated grammar of everyday life-- the "close neighbour". it takes away the extraorindary violence, it ignores and places on the backwater the real issues-- these had nothing to do with "aggression". it is a cryptic mode of legitimation. You must question the rhetorics and narrative structures used to describe what happened.
When "Argentinia" moved into the smal islands close to the Falklands "Britain" did nothing. When they moved into the Falklands, Thatcher still intended to allow it to be given over to "argentinia" it was only when she was pushed into war by a long series of parliamentary speeches they used the same rhetoric of naked aggression that you enjoy that it led to the violence of 1982.
The reason that Britain did not hand Flaklands to Argentinia was because of wealthy absentee landlords didn't want it to.
Don't become a consumer of representational practices. Once you realise what you fed on is not authoritative description but just a rhetorical practice then you can better understand my position. Stop thinking of the World in terms of nation-states, and start to ask about the necessity of violence over such petty imagined communities.
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Until about the time of Euro 96 it was normal fo England fans to display union flags instead of St George flags. Not surprising if a lot of people don't get it or see the point of this English nationalist nonsense.
whats the harm in being nationalistic and taking some pride in where you come from?
after all arent the other members of the union equally if not more so. some, but maybe not all would be the first to correct anyone who said that they were british. and go as far as to support anyone or team that is playing against against one of their arch enemies, when it comes to some sporting events.
take for example andy murray, wearing an argentina football shirt when england were about to play them in a major competition. what a complete and utter runt of a human being! not only for the fact that he knew it would wind people up because of the history involving the two sides in world cup football. but more importantly for the fact that he didnt take the time to use his brain and think about the about the falklands conflict. were regiments from all over the british isles fought side by side and lost their lives in defeating the argentinian forces.
You answer your own question...
"whats the harm in being nationalistic and taking some pride in where you come from?"
"wind people up"
"think about the about the falklands conflict"
There are not many things that people are prepared to die for, but blind nationalism is one of them.
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nice one, cheers!
source? or did you make it yourself?
Made it myself. Took it from a newspaper article in the Thai Post yesterday, then spent hours sticking it together.
I just find learning off a computer screen annoying, and using a paper dictionary time wasteful, so I end up doing this.
I've done a few of these now (some with audio), which with enormous amount of effort you could find under my username. But I'll pretty soon probably stick them all together.
I see so many people saying "I have completed [fill in most advanced Thai learning book available] now what should I read?". Then they make the terrible supposition that they should progress to children's books since these must be basic enough for them. This is a terrible mistake. Children's books are incredibly difficult ('The troll skull of the sacred heart of emerald castle' etc...). Newspaper articles are easier, and more interesting to the adult learner. The vocab in newspapers will readily transmit into everyday life (e.g. "fomer Prime Minister" cf. "emerald skull').
Glad you like it.
I noticed a few errors but since it's over 30 pages long that is not too surprising. Anyone who completes it will actually feel an improvement in their ability level.
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No problems.
.doc was already allowed. I have now added .docx
Cheers
Thanks George.
I've mucked arund with PDF until it stopped corrupting the document so I've used a PDF after all... but thanks in advance for next time.
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Article by Thai Post, one of the top Thai newspapers ().
Here is a package that does all the prep. work for you:
1. Thai language- in 2 fonts
2. transliteration
3. breakdown of every single word #
4. translation of every single word #
5. awful google translation included to help you out
Thai language newspaper language practice sex swap article v4 doc.pdf
This is ideal for intermediate learners. Probably has around 50 new words.
This is what language learning is about. No short cuts in the actual learning/thinking process. But your mind will love the grammar analysis and exhilaration of getting the job done. And I've done the four hours it took me that you'd otherwise waste looking up words.
Method of study
Just go one paragraph at a time.
Read it once and then look up new words.
Then re-read each sentence until you can understand by memory without checking words.
Then when you've done a paragraph go thorugh the paragraph again.
Do for next paragrpah and so on.
After you've gone through the article like this about 3 times you will have picked up all the words.
Go back the next day and do it gain (you'll be stunned how many of the words you remember in context but would not know if you read elsewhere).
Do it again in 3 days and then again on 7 days and that just about do it. Keep the paper around for 3 months and check you have all the words still in your head.
Congratulations. You've just used a method of study that doesn't get boring, improves your reading, develops your grammar, and helps you memorise around 50 new words.
Now do the same and put it up on the Thai language forum board.
You will definitely know how to read 'sex reassignment surgery' by the end of the article. It must be mentioned about 30 times.
Key (#)
[g]= grammar (need to check in detail if not know)
[*]=mentioned before in the reader
Using
I strongly recommend downloading 'foxit reader' for reading the PDF file. Much quicker and nicer to use than the lumpy Adobe reader.
[specious photo of miss beauty girl as I am aware this sort of topic gets a lot of prurient interest from irregular visitors to the Thai Language Forum.]
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Is it .doc or .docx ?
Ah, it's a docx
I take it that docx can't be handled..? I wanted to use it as I figured it would help it to be clean of metadata.
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I am trying to uplaod a Word document for the Language Forum but I am told that "Error You aren't permitted to upload this kind of file".
Is this an error or is there a policy to not allow Word document uploads? (the uploading is working fro other files, e.g. JPEG)
I would indeed preder to upload as a PDF but when I ahve converted to a PDF many parts of the Thai language font sections dissolve into a mess.
My document is around 30 pages long and will be of great use to the dedicated Thai language learners.
Please assist.
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Been reading that Martin Tyler is signed up with ESPN to do commentary for World Cup games for them.
Yet when I listened to ESPN radio last night (while watching Thai TV3), it was 2 other commentators - 1 American, the other Irish I think.
Anyone any idea if/when/how we can listen to the commentary by the no.1 footy commentator legend himself - Martin Tyler?
I was thinking the same thing. Except I was wondering how they found the only Irishman who appears to have not watched a game of tootball before.
I am sure the elite Englishman commentary will be TV only (i.e. not the ESPN radio on the internet). The intention is to create a sense of authenticity for the American watchers of the World Cup-- they associate soccer with English people. Just as American Football Handball Games are shown with american commentary in the UK.
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David
I used your translations as an extremely handy learning tool--reading through the sentences and comparing my translation.
If in the future you translate 4 or 5 sentences of a news report please could you stick it on the language forum. It is very useful for someone at my level that need a quick dirty check for the whole meaning of the sentences.
Thank you in advance.
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well, there is ESPN radio on the internet,
...but though technically English they appear to know little of soccer, and there is a one minute delay of the audio...
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The BBC have just blocked their transmission, 71 minutes into the game... aaaaahhhh!
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An unexpected problem:
BBC Radio 5 are allowing audio coverage in Thailand (I am listening to the first match now) but it is 3 seconds faster than the picture on the telly...
what-to-do....
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Is 'By the time..." constructed here by "กว่า... ในภายหลัง"?
If not, what is the role of กว่า?
Thanks in advance.
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ISSUE:
Quote boxes are not working on threads older than the upgrade (i.e. 99.9%).
SUGGESTION:
Revert back to original style.
I am guessing there is some Java element to this upgrade as it has a remarkable similarity to the catastrophic YouTube 'upgrade' of around 3 months ago. It took YouTube around 2 months and a loss of many viewers to sort their mess out.
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I don't know; speaking personally I had days that I wanted to point out every obvious truth that whole hordes of posters seemed to deliberately ignore. On other days I just felt pity for the forum keyboard warriors and thought 'at least they're not out on the street scaring the women and the horses.' and just tuned in elsewhere.
When you look back, do you see an analogy with the Thai outburst spread across Facebook and other parts of the internet?
Just like the Thais, they expressed no political views publically so long as the issue was cold, but then when it actually hit their lives, suddenly they could not be too fanatical or too vulgar in expressing their views. Multiple Thai friends reported being 'defriended' on Facebook for expressing their views, and it was from my lofty viewpoint easy to see why. And I should imagine with these farang armchair experts they probably similarly annoyed everyone to death in the bar and found their only output on the Forum.
They made their position, and once it was decided there was no turning back. They must have felt a reassuring jouissance in their fanaticism.
I note with amusement their now complete absence in making any retort to any of the comments on this thread. We have reclaimed the Forum. God Save George.
Wow I thought they had just gone back to work. Idle hands and all that....
+5555 That would be the alternative explanation. That might explain the generally pro-yellow position. And it reminds me of one member...
One board member with a porsche badge (*) for an avatar prior to the crisis spent much time extolling his brilliance as the mini-capitalist, at how success awaited all those who worked hard and remained determined. His office was in CentralWorld.
In the time of the crisis, it seemed the cat had got his tongue. His cashflow problems appeared to have perhaps changed his hyper-neo-liberal 'American Dream' perspective on life. He has seen that life does not reward hard work. A salutory but ultimately satisyfing riposte of reality, not just for those that seek schadenfreude, but also it allows those less successful to feel less failure in their misfortune.
(*) when I was unfortunate enough to work as an Investment Banker I can recall colleagues remarking that only the plebs buy porsches and that the real Hi-So have the lamborghini. I am still unsure to be more disgusted with 'porsche avatar man' for thinking his porsche meant anything, or for the bankers in popping his dream/putting him in his place, or for the inanity of the bankers in believing with their tiresome monocultural mobile lives that they were Hi-So.
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From my extensive walks I need to press a point on you.
You really need maps that mark out places where the dogs are just too aggressive. Many major streets that don't get much foot traffic you will definitely be attacked, particularly at the front of Temple grounds, and particularly in the mornings and the evenings (the exact times you'll want to run). People who drive around in their cars simply never see this danger.
As an example of something you may feel to be in your comfort zone, you can run from Ekkamai to Pinklao Bridge on Sukhumvit Road (and some minor roads) and there is a possibility of not being attacked, but beyond that on either side you are just a moving target for the dogs.
I have been bitten twice and have learnt to avoid certain parts of major streets.
Thailand has the third worst levels of rabies in the World. Getting bitten means running straight to the hospital...
I very rarely do see farang runners (never Thais) around the main streets. I think it's mad, and I love running. Lumpini is your best option or the running tracks at the university grounds.
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I don't know; speaking personally I had days that I wanted to point out every obvious truth that whole hordes of posters seemed to deliberately ignore. On other days I just felt pity for the forum keyboard warriors and thought 'at least they're not out on the street scaring the women and the horses.' and just tuned in elsewhere.
When you look back, do you see an analogy with the Thai outburst spread across Facebook and other parts of the internet?
Just like the Thais, they expressed no political views publically so long as the issue was cold, but then when it actually hit their lives, suddenly they could not be too fanatical or too vulgar in expressing their views. Multiple Thai friends reported being 'defriended' on Facebook for expressing their views, and it was from my lofty viewpoint easy to see why. And I should imagine with these farang armchair experts they probably similarly annoyed everyone to death in the bar and found their only output on the Forum.
They made their position, and once it was decided there was no turning back. They must have felt a reassuring jouissance in their fanaticism.
I note with amusement their now complete absence in making any retort to any of the comments on this thread. We have reclaimed the Forum. God Save George.
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<snip> Hope the OP didn't get further bent out of shape by the mods' edit
I'm afraid it was. My topic depended on a detailed analysis of one poster. But the Mod can have done nothing else if topics cannot be centred on one forum member.
I will not identify the poster (so that also means I cannot quote him) but he had been a member for exactly 2 years, yet almost all his posts were between the April and May period. He is a High School teacher and frequently preached about the lack of thinking by his Thai students-- the irony is jaw-dropping. he seemed to have failed to grasp the lessons of the Western enlightenment, apparently believing that ideas are the result of apples falling or deep reflection in warm baths.
The typical trope of these fanatics was to have an avatar of some political slogan.
The risk now is that without my detailed posting I will become the target of posters as my posts now comes across as a rant or an unsubstantiated polemic. I am interested to hear of other experiences. Presumably they can be named as they will not be the centre of the topic.
As for accusations of me being "a Red". Please, I am simply not interested in that banal level of binary identity. Go back and read my posts if you must.
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During the recent upheavel, that can be said to have started in April and ended by the end of May, there was an astonishing outpouring of conviction politics. On several posts I received retorts so one-sided and yet so shallow that it fascinated me and I promised myself to look at the worst example of these posters once the upheaval had died down.
I hypothesised that the more shallow and one-sided, the less likely to remain on this forum once the upheavel was over.
Or to think of it another way, they would be less likely to be engaged in the nuanced, complex but perhaps banal (if you don't know the facts) debate now ongoing on the political reconciliation of life in Thailand.
Now that this board has been rescued from these political bigots, has anyone else had occasion to think the same. I would love to see their postings along with the delicious supplément of their termination of postings around May 20th.
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Central World is closed.
No idea when it will re-open and while you won't find forever21 anywhere else, Platinum Fashion Mall up on Phetburi near Panthip is an awesome place to shop. Its wholesale so you don't get to try on (
) but the selection is overwhelming and the prices very low
Have you tried the Thai method of folding the trousers/skirt length ways and then measuring them to the circumference of your neck. If it fits around your neck it will fit perfectly around your waist.... they say.
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Hang on, hang on.
This is fascinating. Yoot is re-positioning the comment as being similar to the second interpretation that I guessed it in my original posting. While Peppy positions it closely to the clever argument that I describe in my first interpretation. (this is confusing but you'll get the idea if you look at the first post of this topic on the comment of the Thai reader). This really intrigues me now-- is the post itself fundamentally ambiguous?
(by the way, thanks David for your help with the original text)
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My take on the comment:
" เดี๋ยวนี้เขาใช้แค่คำพูดมาเป็นข้อกล่าวหาแล้วเหรอ ทำไมมักง่ายจัง นี่ถ้าเราพูดว่าเกลียดอ้ายฆาตกร ทรราช มือเปื้อนเลือด เราจะเอา สไนเปอร์ไปยิงหัวมัน แล้วมันเกิดตายไปจริงๆ เราจะซวยไหมละ จะกลายเป็นคนที่ถูก กล่าวหาว่าฆ่ามันหรือเปล่านี่ ทั้งๆที่เราไม่ได้ฆ่ามัน ซึ่งจริงๆแล้วอยากฆ่ามันจร๊งๆๆๆๆๆๆจ้า "
"So they've got nothing but his statements to make these accusations with?* How come they're so slipshod? Look, if we say we hate murderers, traitors, and people with blood on their hands, and then we go and shoot them in the head and they die, won't we be screwed? Wouldn't we then be the ones being accused of murder, even if we didn't do it, though we really, really, really wanted to?"
*Not entirely sure of the context of this sentence (ie. who is accusing who, whose words were they), so this could be off the mark.
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Notes about some of the vocabulary, in the above context:
"จัง" after an adjective means "so" or "very"
"นี่" can be a sort of interjection, like "look" ("Look, I'm going and I don't care what you say.") or "here" ("Here, take this.")
"เกิด" followed by a verb means "it happens that". I could have translated "แล้วมันเกิดตายไปจริงๆ" as "and it happens that they die", but I don't feel it adds much to the meaning, so I left it out.
That is excellent. Very much appreciated.
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When I first read this Thai reader's response, I took it as quite an impressive thoughtful take on the situation. I thought the Thai was saying that we should be cautious to just prosecute for only words spoken as after all had things been different then that could be us now (ie.e. we could be the ones on trial)since we did demand the death of people by sniper.
However, on re-reading and reflecting I fear his argument is the rather more tiresome and well-trodden argument that Mr Savage’s argument that he was only saying words can just as easily lead to the death of people as an action can lead to someone's death.
What he is saying is ambiguous for me by several factors. The odd spacing:
e.g. ~ทำไมมักง่ายจัง นี่ถ้าเรา~ Why not ~ทำไมมักง่ายจังนี่ ถ้าเรา~ ?
Also, what does this phrase mean:
เกิดตายไป. Born and die and go somewhere
So my translation is very rocky, but here goes:
Right now (am I right to think) he has an indictment only for words spoken. Why were these so hapless. If we said we hated a nasty dictator-type we would have blood on our hands. We will want a sniper to take him out. And then clearly it will happen and he will die and go somewhere else[?]. Will we be jinxed? It will change the person that is correct, and will (they) mention or not that we claimed to assassinate him? Even though we did not kill him, which is already clear, we wanted to kill him and that is awfully clear.
Please help...
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I am watching with great interest how the Thais respond in the Comments section of the Matichon to the article. The first response seems interesting but there is a word that seems crucial but I don't know it (and nor do my dictionaries):
จร๊งๆ (it actually says จร๊งๆๆๆๆๆๆ) (i take it as an alternative spelling of จริง )
Addtionally, it uses the excellent word:
มักง่าย hapless
and the probably- new- to- the- Thai- language:
สไนเปอร์ sniper
Here is the whole reader's comment:
" เดี๋ยวนี้เขาใช้แค่คำพูดมาเป็นข้อกล่าวหาแล้วเหรอ ทำไมมักง่ายจัง นี่ถ้าเราพูดว่าเกลียดอ้ายฆาตกร ทรราช มือเปื้อนเลือด เราจะเอา สไนเปอร์ไปยิงหัวมัน แล้วมันเกิดตายไปจริงๆ เราจะซวยไหมละ จะกลายเป็นคนที่ถูก กล่าวหาว่าฆ่ามันหรือเปล่านี่ ทั้งๆที่เราไม่ได้ฆ่ามัน ซึ่งจริงๆแล้วอยากฆ่ามันจร๊งๆๆๆๆๆๆจ้า "
Anti-Nausea Medicine
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In most countries I would just use Bismuth Subsalicylate, which is most famously branded as Pepto-Bismol(*). But it does not seem to be available here. If I ask for anti-nausea medicine I usually get given Motillium which has a known anti-nausea effect but is frankly useless.
The Bismuth Subsalicylate works within 10 minutes and completely relieves the problem of mild food poisoning.
Does it exist in Thailand under some alternative brand name? (e.g. one similar is Kaopectate)
So to make this crystal clear, I am talking about very mild nausea, that just very slightly annoys, makes it a bit tiresome to eat and to get on with daily life. If left untreated goes within a day or two.
(*) there is a product by the same company with a very similar name with the familiar pink colour but it is not Pepto-Bismol
Thanks in advance.