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One more time: USUFRUCT means having the right to use land. house or existing business. This means, some gainful commercial activity must be part of it. Just to sit at the house, twiddling your thumbs will not satisfy the conditions of a USUFRUCT.

Remedy: Have "your" land worked by someone, with the clear intent of commercial use. If you do it by yourself, you will need a work permit. OR: For example, rent out one room of the house to seamstresses or whatever, to fulfill the requirement of "making use".

By not doing any of the above, your "USUFRUCT" is worthless and will not hold water in any court of law in Thailand. The fact, that the lawyers you consulted, were "unaware" of the term USUFRUCT is strictly self-protection with the goal not getting involved in any future legal matters, that the current government would classify as "Misrepresentation".

With or without USUFRUCT. If wife should die before Farang, it will be the moment of truth. If Thai-family has accepted the "long-nose" for whatever reasons, fine! If not, the Family will find very effective ways and means to get rid of the Farang.

THERE IS NO GOLDEN PARACHUTE FOR A FARANG IN THAILAND. With or without lawyer.

Cheers.

You sound as if you are an authority on this section of Thai Law. Please share your sources. Or perhaps there is a case of law interpretation lost in translation. Please share the background to your particular experiences, because without this we don't believe you.

Regarding Lawyers. It is well known there is no fee in it for them, therefore they will much rather have you form a Thai company and part with your hard earned cash. Don't worry they can do an all in deal in this respect complete with shareholders, accountants, auditors, and a workforce if Thai Law demands x number of employees. Cost likely to be in excess of baht 75 !

I found the BBC link pertaining to the above post

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-30573385

Back to the OP. The true horror of this report can be imagined by looking at the Yazidi experience below:

Reported recently in the BBC - apologies I have lost the link. This taken from my own notes:

A guide to slavery

It seems that IS has, indeed, given out orders on the proper use of women as slaves.

The group's Department of Research and Fatwas (religious edicts) has issued a pamphlet with the chillingly matter-of-fact title: "Questions and Answers on Taking Captives and Slaves".

An IS pamphlet instructs fighters about sexual activity with female captives

The document appears to be genuine. It was posted on an jihadist web forum and, apparently, given out after Friday prayers in Mosul.

Christians, Jews and Yazidi women can all be taken as slaves, it says. Women can be bought, sold, and given as gifts; they can be disposed of as property if a fighter dies.

The pamphlet's Q&A format includes the following:

Question: Is it allowed to have intercourse with a female captive immediately after taking possession of her? Answer: If she is a virgin, her master can have intercourse with her immediately after taking possession. But if she is not, you must make sure she is not pregnant.

Question: Is it allowed to have intercourse with a female slave who has not reached puberty? Answer: You may have intercourse with a female slave who hasn't reached puberty if she is fit for intercourse. However, if she is not fit for intercourse, it is enough to enjoy her without.

It is a depraved and depressing document, at odds with mainstream Islam, though well-researched with Koranic verses and hadiths, or reports of what the Prophet Muhammad said or approved.

One theory is that the pamphlet was actually issued to try to restrain the more outlandish behaviour of IS fighters. It says, for instance that a man may not sleep with his wife's slave, or with another man's slave; and that a man may own two sisters but not sleep with them at the same time.

That 75 Baht solution will break your neck.

Utter rubbish.

This story is utter rubbish

Says who ?

Perhaps you can link other articles attesting to your assumptions ?

I apologise, though your post is a tad misleading, as your source is a year old! 27 February 2014 to be precise. I assumed you were relating to something that is reportedly happening now.

Feb 2014. IS had entered Ar Raqqa city some 6 months earlier and set about forming a civil administration in the city. The IS power base (there) was in its infancy - they were very much feeling their way and extorting gold and anything else of value from ANYONE was a spoil of war. Jabhat Al Nusra (AQ) were still opposing the GoS 17th Division who were under siege on the outskirts of the city. IS finally defeated the 17th Division in July 2014 and took control of virtually all the Governate. JN moved West. I can promise you no such negotiations with any Christians are taking place there now, or have done since the Spring of 2014!

This kind of thing gives more credibility to the Atlantic Magazine article explaining the tactics of ISIS inspired by their fundamentalist reading of Islamic dogma. They are trying to bait the west to come and get them. Surely, in the long run, what choice will the west have but to play into that?

What ISIS Really Wants

The Islamic State is no mere collection of psychopaths. It is a religious group with carefully considered beliefs, among them that it is a key agent of the coming apocalypse. Heres what that means for its strategyand for how to stop it.

http://www.theatlantic.com/features/archive/2015/02/what-isis-really-wants/384980/

An interesting article which of course is primarily for US consumption and therefore says little about other very pertinent geo-political drivers in the current conflict. Also it is in parts extremely exaggerated which unfortunately suggests credibility generally may well be an issue. For example the population of Ar Raqqa city in 2012 was c220,000, NOT 500,000, also note the 'city of Dabiq' is little more than a large dusty village, and the battle of immense proportions described never actually took place. There are other more credible less sensationalist sources, you just need to spend time sorting through the chaff.

I do agree IS strategy is to try to force the coalitions 'hand' into deploying boots on the ground. For once, Obama, for all his faults, appears to be listening to advice from outside of the all so powerful US 'global ruling council'; to deploy boots on the ground would be their biggest folly since Vietnam. Obama understands this perfectly thank goodness.

The Assad conundrum will determine which way this all maps out - whilst that question is left to linger, IS will continue to build their caliphate, and I can promise you Ankara will become more and more nervous as the days pass without their NATO protected 'safe zone' in place. This is far more complex than the daily sensationalist 'news' reader could ever comprehend.

I posted this yesterday on another thread.

Posted Yesterday, 19:47

And in the City of Raaqa

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A jihadist group in Syria has demanded that Christians in the northern city of Raqqa pay a levy in gold and accept curbs on their faith, or face death.

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The directive from ISIS, citing the Islamic concept of "dhimma", requires Christians in the city to pay tax of around half an ounce (14g) of pure gold in exchange for their safety.

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The statement said the group had met Christian representatives and offered them three choices - they could convert to Islam, accept ISIS' conditions, or reject their control and risk being killed

http://www.bbc.com/n...e-east-26366197

Of course. Its nothing to do with Islam !

This story is utter rubbish.

Does this kind of thing happen all the time in Thailand? Wow! I'm packing my bags and catching the next plane out.

Be sure to pick up a copy of Stephen Leather's Private Dancer to read on the plane. A life saving read! OP you should get a copy quick, there is still time for you to be saved.

I'm just waiting for the update where she takes him up country, and while roaming alone in her family farmhouse he finds under a cover in the barn

an old Harley Davidson from the forties completely pristine with the key in it

That's only going to work for me is she poses reclined on the Harley semi naked in a wet tee shirt.......

yea, you do not need a lawyer. we did not have one, and the cost is 75baht. great peace of mind for anyone who is granted one

Yeah 75 baht rings a bell now, plus we paid OTT for the photocopying. All in all cheap as cheap as chips for complete peace of mind. Another advantage of a Usufruct is that a bank will not accept the chanot as a guarantee for a loan should unscrupulous family members attempt that little number.

First time poster.... Stud. We are all very impressed. I bet she has a friend right? And this is going to turn into a wonderful threesome. Or maybe her Thai BF wants to join in with insatiable admiration of just how big you are. She needs to be careful you don't run off with him I guess. Ohhhhhh young love....ain't it just sooooooo sweet.

Why do they lend people with no steady income such big money? A new vigo is about a million baht!

If he has guaranteed the loan with a chanot, then the banks will be very happy to lend. It is when the banks start calling in the defaulters en-mass, it will all get very very messy if it leads to homelessness.

This large amount of " household debt ", which is transparent debt, is just a part of the problem. There is probably just as much debt in the " Black Banking Sector ", through loan sharks, Illegal banks, Etc.

Many, many people in Thailand do not have credit scores the same as in the developed world, because thier earnings are insufficient for credit cards / loans through the mainstream banks.

As a first resort to borrow the money for houses, cars, and other lifestyle purchases, these people resort to the " Black Banking Sector " to obtain money, with very little realistic means of being able to repay.

The BOT, has already expressed much concern over the amount of household debt being restrictive on any action they are able to take to stimulate the economy, such as devalueing the baht. And for sure the mainstream banks will be holding massive amounts of " Toxic " debt from Developers, Exporters Etc, who have seen their market bomb over the last 2 years.

1997 again ? time will tell on that one.

When it blows we may have a similar situation in terms of effect on the baht, and probably interest rates, but the reasons for any crisis may well be restricted (largely) to Thailand as I sense the rest of East Asia may well be ahead of the curve in terms of lessons learnt. How and to what extent the (desperate) working class Thai responds is the issue long term Farangs will wish to analyse. I suspect the Chinese are ready waiting in the wings.

This is the example set by previous governments so its ok to borrow , where are the safeguards .We are heading for a massive correction unless we can borrow more money,

An interesting discussion here. This time around what do you think will be the nature of the correction? Specifically looking at Thai economics.

Banks go under? Baht gets hammered on FOREX? Thai downgraded to junk? The rich stay rich as they can go off shore. The poor get much much poorer. Banks cash in on all those chanots secured against the debt. Land ownership for the working class becomes an exception rather than the norm?

Unhappy days ahead. I posted similar around 18 months ago. Household Debt was 71% of GDP back then. Now at 85% I should thing we are on the cusp of the correction you mention?

Get a copy of the chanot and have a friend (of yours) translate the last entry on the back of the chanot to see who is the official owner, or whether or not the bank holds it for a debt. Delay in transfer can be due to a number of reasons. One of the most common reasons is the fact that working class Thai's rarely make a will. Therefore a chanot land owner could be deceased and it is then up to the land office and/or courts to determine who are the beneficiaries to the estate. This can take months.

Recently my wife's family have had to go through a process where she hired a lawyer to sort it all out. Not too expensive (c 10,000 baht for the Lawyer) but a drawn out process and a lot of leg work to get signatures from the seven Siblings. The grandfather had died and her dad, the eldest son, was finally appointed as an Executor, to dispose of the Estate as agreed by ALL of the siblings. Signed agreements were made and witnessed and presented to the court as to how all the chanots would be split. The process took 4 months and was straight forward, but, ONLY because all siblings agreed and signed up. One dissenter would have stopped the process. Then it gets expensive!

Bottom line is Dad has to act according to the Court order. He will be the family representative at the Land office to split the chanots as per the agreements made. If he digresses he will be subject to imprisonment. A good system it seems that fits; it is seemingly much more straight forward than the West's version of probate.

Next.... Crime rate goes up. Plan accordingly.

Airfix in UK are the ones to contact. They are the global authority on jumbo jets. 747 or A380 - they have the inside track.

I have one, but it's priced at 50k per week seeing as money is not an issue

It seems few here actually understand what IS is all about. Clearly President Jeb has no clue if he is talking about tightening a noose. You cannot stymie a terrorist entity that are hidden underground and that is surely the way IS is / will be going. . IS has become a global phenomena, and is growing ..... Let's wait and see how Indonesia copes with what is to come, and the Chinese had better get smart very quickly. The Russians saw this coming a long time ago with their intimate experiences in Afghanistan and more recently Chechin. Buddha help us if Thailand get into bed with the Israelis. I predict dark days ahead for Turkey.

Considering all the failures of US foreign policy it has to be said Obama's response of 'few' boots on the ground to oppose IS is absolutely correct. A couple of airborne divisions deployed might save the day for Jeb's campaign, but all it will do is drive IS underground in every nation on earth including the good old US of A. Expect horror of a magnitude never seen before and plan accordingly. There is no happy ending and Obama has been briefed accordingly.

I had a Chinese gf in Beijing; she lived in the old city hear the lake - she was super gorgeous.

I have a GT-N5100 also. Battery life seems OK to me. I only charge it every 4 or 5 days, but I do use an app that turns off the wifi automatically when it's in standby mode and turns it on again when it wakes up. I also turned off Bluetooth and GPS.

OP leave her. Go find another. Don't dwell. Face the facts. Be happy again as soon as you can.

Awesome

I had a pal in the army, he used to crack a tin of McEwens open every morning when his alarm went off at 0700 hrs. This was too early, poor b@stard died before he was 40 when his liver packed up. Not many people knew he was an alcoholic; his performance in his day job was exemplary. RIP scouse.