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13 minutes ago, dufusdonald said:

So then Unsworth if Musk sued him would have to prove the sub did not work or could not work?  Unsworth also said (reportedly) that Musk did it solely for publicity so you could make a case then that Musk knew the sub would not work and did it solely for publicity. wow talk about slandering a guy or ruining him financially. I would rather be Musk than this guy if Musk files a suit against him.  What does this guy have to lose financially because someone called him a Pedo? How many people know who this guy is anyway vs Musk?  

 

Musk made a statement he cannot prove. Unsworth made two statements he cannot prove. I'll take Musk in a lawsuit.

They would be two separate lawsuits....we are talking about Unsworth suing Musk and in the UK courts the matter of the submarine is not relevant in any way to the defamation.

4 minutes ago, dufusdonald said:

Wrong.  Musk isn't going to sue anyone. He doesn't have to prove a thing.  Unsworth has to do all the proving.  

No, in the UK Unsworth just has to show the item was published.  Musk has to prove it was true.

32 minutes ago, OldSiamHand said:

He apparently has not refuted the remarks in public according to the article "Unsworth said he hadn't flatly denied Musk's accusation because he was waiting for legal advice."

 

You have the whole burden of proof idea backwards.  If he decides to bring a libel suit, the onus is on Mr. Unsworth to prove libel.  No "prosecutor" would be involved in a libel suit (unless he decides to bring a criminal libel suit).  It would be plaintiff's attorney vs. defendant's attorney.

Under Thai law a Criminal Libel suit may be launched without the prosecuter's involvement.

7 minutes ago, dufusdonald said:

He probably was using his satellite phone. So those signals bounce off a satellite. So who has jurisdiction over a satellite phone?

It does not matter where he was, it matters where someone saw the tweet.  Personally I would sue in the UK, where he has to prove his claim that Unsworth is one  (and where Musk lost against TopGear allready) or/and in Thailand where it could be a criminal prosecution....either public or private and hence our friend Musk would be in very big trouble if he ever came here.

3 hours ago, Leadidge said:

You can watch this program on the ABC iview app.

actually if you search google for four corners abc you will get a direct link you can watch without a vpn.

  four corners is open to all.

1 hour ago, hansnl said:

Vets are animal doctors.

I presume they know something about medicine then.

 

Probably at least as much if not more than a senior nurse.  They are also used to dealing with patients who cannot communicate with them fully.

My guess is the sedation is about the same as when the doctor shoves that huge long tube in your backside and pushes it up through your colon to check for problems, or shoves the camera down your throat to look at your lungs. 

It was fortunate they had a doctor who understood anaesthesia and diving and was able to optimise the amount of sedation so that it was enough but not too much.

2 minutes ago, JLCrab said:

From the above case:

The Nova Scotia Supreme Court decision comes after two years of comments on an American blog, incorrectly linking Trout Point Lodge to a Louisiana political corruption scandal.

Yes Nova Scotia is in Caanada....The person in canada  could sue.  Collection could I guess be made against any of the defendants assets in Canada if any.

In the case of Thailand of course the penalty for not paying if he came here would be at least not to leave.  Possibly with free acomodation provided.

It is not where you write that determines where you can be sued.

8 minutes ago, atyclb said:

 

how long u been practicing law?  me thinks there might be more involved in jurisdiction since typically anything on the internet can theoretically be seen around the world

here is a cased in point

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/425k-in-damages-in-trout-point-defamation-case-1.1221027

14 minutes ago, JLCrab said:

In the USA it would possible for Mr. Unsworth to find attorneys to take his libel case on a contingency basis. No such arrangement is legal in Thailand so who would be paying upfront for his legal fees?

It is a criminal not a civil case here

54 minutes ago, atyclb said:

 

 

 

why is jurisdiction for such a defamation action in thailand?

Because the tweets were available to be read here.  Remember the Swiss author who was arrested for something published only in Switzerland.

2 hours ago, Hooliganzone said:

On Sunday, Musk fired back with a series of tweets where he said that Mr Unsworth living in Thailand was “sus”, suggesting that the only reason the British expat would choose to live in Thailand was to be involved in child sex tourism.

 

Mr Unsworth and not only him should sue the arse off Musk does his statement mean all British expats who live in Thailand are involved in child sex tourism???

And not in US courts.where the lawyers just pocket the money they settle for but in the Thai Courts where it is a Criminal lible where Musk would be liable for arrest  if he ever passed through Thailand again.  He is so sure of himself that he would ignore that and come here sure he was safe.   

I thought the only thing I had to worry about in Thailand was boats going down.

13 hours ago, dirtynomad said:

He might be able to sue Musk for the pedo comments.

13 hours ago, dirtynomad said:

He might be able to sue Musk for the pedo comments.

A criminal deformation case lodged here  could no doubt cause EM problems on his next visit.  As he also commented badly about the Thai leader of the rescue he may not get too much sympathy.

On 7/11/2018 at 8:44 PM, Bang Bang said:

I am not sure about this. Obviously, they were briefed as soon as the offer came in. But in living and working here 10 years in a job where I get to meet Thai engineers and academics I have been often surprised by how little some (even with foreign degrees) know or care about what's  going on elsewhere. Not trying to belittle people who are good at what they do, but soaking up world news is just not a passion for many.

 

So, an older Govt. official not knowing about Elon Musk wouldn't be out of the ordinary at all. And neither was K. Narongsak likely to have been impressed on being told that a "Khon Amerika ruwai mak" wanted to see him just as the operation was about to be over.

 

The upshot was he was curt and Elon was miffed. But who gives a rat's ass. The boys are safe.

Do not forget that K. Narongsak has degrees in Engineering and in Geology.  Do not write him off as someone who is an aged know all. 

  Mr Narongsak obtained a Master of Science (Geodetic Science and Surveying) degree from the Ohio State University in the US, and bachelor’s degrees in Civil Engineer from the Kasetsart University plus Law, Information Technology and Political Science from Sukhothai Thammathirat University.

Whatever happens it is good they are out.

5 hours ago, Tompa said:

Someone might have already posted this,,

 

Who apointed Rick Stanton as co-leader. the only person I can find giving him that position is Musk. 

It may be that some of his statements he made to Musk were not those he was permitted to make as there were communication restrictions strictly placed by the rescue leaders.

Of course the ones that came here got a 5 year visa with the Elite card.

The fine is not the important point.  It is a way of the Police getting identity photos and details in case of further problems.

I hope Vern receives one of those Elite Cards and not just the ones that flew in.

Someone who knew what they are doing could do it easily using something like a rasbery Pi which you can get here....from Lazada and others

Total costs would be round 2000baht for hardware.

It would though be easiest to use the ready made solution here for 1900 out of the box

https://www.advice.co.th/product/print-server/print-server/print-server-tp-link-tl-wps510u-wireless-g54

but I was beaten to it. Though you do want this wireless one and not the hard wired USB one

A couple of years ago a man was stopped from leaving and had to remain here for over a year not able to work because a house owner accused him of stealing furniture.  He was found not to have done so and allowed to leave.