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Energizer bunny. Still going. Seems like all sides would be happy this protest is over before people get hurt or bad things happen. Nothing good was going to come of this. The sad part is those whinning about no democracy or rigt to protext probably care less about right to protest. They just want Yingluck removed just as prior protext have done. At least be honest about and stop playing victim card crap.

Looks like the days of mob rule and ad hoc coups are done. Yingluck had a great plan in place to keep protesters from escalating this into another full blown nightmare. This protected the protesters, the public, the cops and everyone as many people could have gotten injured if the radical thugs trying to run this protest got their way.

The government needs to take control of this mess and keep people out of the streets. That really serves no purpose other than to cause more serious long term problems and further instablity in the government. Perhaps Obama and US helped Yingluck and her crew plan for this chaotic attempt to once again overthrow the government.

There is a new sheriff in town and things are going to be different now. This is a great time for all those unhappy to focus all tha energy in a positive direction. Start planning for elections. top being so devisive as it actually will make it more difficlt for them to gain additional votes in the long term.

Focus on better Thailand rather than obcessing about how to make Yingluck's plans fail, her look bad or how to take her out. That is just pure insanity and destructive to the country. Cannot undertsand how bothsides do not see what should be crystal clear. But alas, it is this very attitude seen on TV from many that keep the country in turmoil and uncertainty. Stop being part of the porbem and becomes part of the solution.

DocN:

Do you have anything to add to the discussion? I sighted examples of flaws in our democracy in the US and backed it up with facts. All you've done is come in here and throw insults at those you don't agree with.

If there is something I stated that you don't agree with, then let's have a discussion about it.

Actually, you have only regurgitated the same rhetoric we hear over and over from either the very wealthy that are noid about paying more in taxes or religious nutbaggers that need structure in their life in the form of government telling them how to live and instilling those values upon others.

I pay enough in taxes every single year to pay cash for a house and it pisses me off, but not enough to risk further devastation to our financial stability.

I read your post and no where do you actually discuss the primary issues effecting US economy since 2000.

So we all actually owe the Fed and Barry as you guys call him a lot more gratitude than you guys realize.

...and you have only regurgitated the same rhetoric we hear over and over from left-wing Obama apologist and Occupy Wall Street brats, Hollywood celebs and treehuggers. You have unsavory extremist on your side too pal. That is great that you're delighted to pay a lot in taxes. That's fine and I don't either if the President was sincerely making efforts to make cuts in wasteful spending. According to the CBO, if Obama has his wishes and make the rich pay their "fair-share" it would only be enough to keep the government running for 8 day & 5 hours. So how about the remaining 356 & a half days? Blame Bush?

Everyone knows of the primary issues effecting US economy since 2000 and BOTH parties are to blame for the economic downturn. We're reminded everyday by the President about the mess he inherited from Bush. It should be interesting to see how he deals with the upcoming financial cliff and the spin the media will put on it.

Also, what's with this "as you guys call him" comment? That was uncalled for and nowhere in this thread have I called him "Barry". At least I can spell his name correctly. You called him "Obahma".

As far as your "Barry" comment goes, I'm sure his parents and teachers called him that for a period of time....

Sorry to interrupt here but I would like to point out that maybe you should be more concerned with getting out of the problem.

We now know the will of the majority of the people. A good choice as the states has turned the corner. To change policy when you have a working plan would be crazy. Maybe in four years when things are more settled.

At any rate did it ever occur to you two that it is a global problem and if Bush had not let his war hawks trick (actually lied to him) him into a huge waste of taxpayers money the states would have still had a down turn.

We know the problem we have a basic plan that will require partisan cooperation Send a message to each rep. and Senator that you want the problem fixed not a fight for control when the whole country looses.

As in all market down turns they must reach their bottom before they can go up. The states has done that.

Thailand already knows how to ignore the people in a quest for power. They don't need any lessons from the States.

Taking lessons from them we might find are selves at war.

No, subprime, collaterizrd debt, credit swaps and bad bond guarantees by Freddie, Fannie and Ginnie killed US economy, led to a reduction in net wealth (home values and investments) of around 7.3 trillion. Reduction in home values occurred because consumer lending reduced to a trickle. Commercial and residential development lending stopped.

This had a huge domino effect on world markets so we actually took you guys down.

That is great that you're delighted to pay a lot in taxes.

You do realise that it really isn't that much, don't you. Be honest, what is your percentage and overall? (Of course I am not asking you, it is a rhetorical question).

The problem is that Americans as a whole expect sooooo much from their Federal government in particular yet loathe paying for it. War? Sooooooooooeeeeeeeeeeeee, let's git them Eyeranians or Eyerakis or whatever they are! Sibsidise oil companies? Soooooooooooooeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!

As for your comment re 'Occupy Wall Street brats, Hollywood celebs and treehuggers' . . . that's painting with a very, very broad brush and over-simplifying the situation.

I'm Grosse Pointe, Mich, raised and no-one I know is anyone of the above yet all voted Democrat. You don't know Grosse Pointe? Look it up.

Fact is that if Obama entered with a +/- balance sheet we could rip him to shreds quite convincingly for the state of the economy. He didn't. We can't. Anyone who does is a simpleton

I pay a higher percentage than low income, but I am a 1099 so that adds I think 17,500 in taxes. We also lose itemized deductions as they get phased out. I want to say my effective rate is in low 20% range. People who work for me and make less than than $100,000 a year, with child deduction credits, are paying an effective tax rare in the teens.

I get annoyed every year when I gave to stroke a big check to make up for low quarterly payments. I do feel as if I pay more in a year than many will pay in a life time yet I get least amount of benefits from it. Kids go to private school, no state assistance for anything and have health private health insurance.

I, however, am blessed to do what I do and make what I make. People like me also have way more discretionary income to help country out.

The real problem is the ultra wealthy living off capital gains and business income. They show huge paper losses, pay 15% on huge chunks of income and wing up with effective rates around 10 or 12 percent. That is certainly not equitable.

Where did they get the idea that he had been pick pocketed? His wallet was in the room, with money in it. And when they say the knife was nearby do we mean across the room nearby or laying right next to or more likely under the hand he used to "slash" himself with. He went to Tesco and bought a t-shirt, a knife and some milk?

Maybe he just wanted to see where the milk went after he drank it. That's just as plausible as him being pick pocketed.

The police colonel speculated about a possible motive for the suicide. Mr. Kosai was apparently visiting Surat Thani as a tourist. But he could have been pickpocketed and had most of his assets stolen, so he had gone to see the tourist police. After returning to his hotel room, Mr. Kosai may have become so stressed that he went out to buy clothes and a knife and a bottle of milk. And then he killed himself and died like a Samurai

So stressed people typically go buy clothes and milk right before killing themselves with a knife. Did he learn that in PI or CSI school.

The knife purchase does give one pause to wonder. Maybe he purchased knife for protection after getting mugged and not to kill himself. Who knows. Finger prints need to be done, buy sounds as if they are not going to investigate further as they got it all figured out.

Why not be honest for once. This was not a protest. This was a mob of thugs with a calculated purpose to incite violence and apparently create enough chaos to get military involved. Demonstrate is the last thing they cared about. They had an agenda to remove Yingluck by any means possible.

I am sure it is dissappointing to you haters that violence and chaos did not preceded military intervention and removal of Yingluck. She actually showed good leadership by keeping control of the situation and keeping the general public safe.

Time to respect the country and it's political system and stop acting like children not getting their way.

With the PM having handled the situation so masterly, protesters gone home already, surely we can count on her to be present in parliament tomorrow to answer some questions the opposition would like to ask her during the censure debate ?

Broken records you guys are. Last I heard this thread was about police using tear gas and protesters' actions yesterday. Your completely off topic as usual to shift focus. Why not go to the censure thread and ask your little question that I am sure you have asked over and over and over.

Well, you mentioned "She actually showed good leadership"

You too huh. I guess you are blaming me for your off topic rhetoric about Yingluck because I some how opened the door by saying she did a good job. I said she did a good job in handling this demonstration and keeping public safe during the protest.

Mine on topic, yours still off topic, but that's the way you guys roll. When nothing else to say about topic you try and save face through off topic whining about red shirts or Yingluck. Don't they have threads dedicated for that?

Why not be honest for once. This was not a protest. This was a mob of thugs with a calculated purpose to incite violence and apparently create enough chaos to get military involved. Demonstrate is the last thing they cared about. They had an agenda to remove Yingluck by any means possible.

I am sure it is dissappointing to you haters that violence and chaos did not preceded military intervention and removal of Yingluck. She actually showed good leadership by keeping control of the situation and keeping the general public safe.

Time to respect the country and it's political system and stop acting like children not getting their way.

20,000 violent thugs? Yet we constantly get the "peaceful red shirts". It seems that cutting some barbed wire is much more violent than burning tyres and launching grenades.

Really. Why constantly deflect or shift focus to red shirts when your group is questioned?

This is like a grade schooler saying well Johnny did it too when getting into trouble. Whether Johnny did it too does not make it right or excuse the child's behaviour.

Time to use grown up logic and start accepting responsibility for one's own actions.

Johnny1 was no comparison to the transgressions of Johnny 2, so no need to dilute the comparison.

Haha, unbelievable. Just confirming my point and it's is like you guys don't even get it. You guys are about the most entertaining thing on the net. By far.

Really. Why constantly deflect or shift focus to red shirts when your group is questioned?

This is like a grade schooler saying well Johnny did it too when getting into trouble. Whether Johnny did it too does not make it right or excuse the child's behaviour.

Time to use grown up logic and start accepting responsibility for one's own actions.

Deflecting? I'm just questioning that there were 20,000 violent thugs.

Haha, nice how you deleted your previous quote from this response to show what I responded to. I guess you forgot about the second and third sentences after 20,000 thugs part where you are again whining about red shirt conduct 2 years ago.

Evasive people here. Did you momma teach that honesty is the best policy.

Democracy and the right to protest were the losers today.

Red shirt sycophants circling in on what they see as a victory will do well to think about Thailand as a whole rather than some crude form of cannibalistic kill.

Why not be honest for once. This was not a protest. This was a mob of thugs with a calculated purpose to incite violence and apparently create enough chaos to get military involved. Demonstrate is the last thing they cared about. They had an agenda to remove Yingluck by any means possible.

I am sure it is dissappointing to you haters that violence and chaos did not preceded military intervention and removal of Yingluck. She actually showed good leadership by keeping control of the situation and keeping the general public safe.

Time to respect the country and it's political system and stop acting like children not getting their way.

With the PM having handled the situation so masterly, protesters gone home already, surely we can count on her to be present in parliament tomorrow to answer some questions the opposition would like to ask her during the censure debate ?

Broken records you guys are. Last I heard this thread was about police using tear gas and protesters' actions yesterday. Your completely off topic as usual to shift focus. Why not go to the censure thread and ask your little question that I am sure you have asked over and over and over.

Democracy and the right to protest were the losers today.

Red shirt sycophants circling in on what they see as a victory will do well to think about Thailand as a whole rather than some crude form of cannibalistic kill.

Why not be honest for once. This was not a protest. This was a mob of thugs with a calculated purpose to incite violence and apparently create enough chaos to get military involved. Demonstrate is the last thing they cared about. They had an agenda to remove Yingluck by any means possible.

I am sure it is dissappointing to you haters that violence and chaos did not preceded military intervention and removal of Yingluck. She actually showed good leadership by keeping control of the situation and keeping the general public safe.

Time to respect the country and it's political system and stop acting like children not getting their way.

20,000 violent thugs? Yet we constantly get the "peaceful red shirts". It seems that cutting some barbed wire is much more violent than burning tyres and launching grenades.

Really. Why constantly deflect or shift focus to red shirts when your group is questioned?

This is like a grade schooler saying well Johnny did it too when getting into trouble. Whether Johnny did it too does not make it right or excuse the child's behaviour.

Time to use grown up logic and start accepting responsibility for one's own actions.

Democracy and the right to protest were the losers today.

Red shirt sycophants circling in on what they see as a victory will do well to think about Thailand as a whole rather than some crude form of cannibalistic kill.

Why not be honest for once. This was not a protest. This was a mob of thugs with a calculated purpose to incite violence and apparently create enough chaos to get military involved. Demonstrate is the last thing they cared about. They had an agenda to remove Yingluck by any means possible.

I am sure it is dissappointing to you haters that violence and chaos did not preceded military intervention and removal of Yingluck. She actually showed good leadership by keeping control of the situation and keeping the general public safe.

Time to respect the country and it's political system and stop acting like children not getting their way.

Who cares about 2010. This is 2012. I don't care who is in power. I just think whoever was elected should be power and these childish protest every two years to overthrow government is a bad idea that needs to stop before it gets really messy.

The people who need persuading of what you say are not the people here, but the people down at the protest site, and my point was, if the people down at the protest site know that those people telling them: she is PM, go home and wait for elections, are the same people who in 2010 were saying; he is PM, but we don't like the way he became PM, don't go home and don't wait for elections, stay on the streets of Bangkok, cause mayhem and get him kicked out, well then they might be inclined to ignore what they are being told on the basis of complete hypocrisy.

Telling people to do something you didn't do yourself is always going to be tricky. That's the problem the current government now faces.

Huh? Do you really think this way? <flaming snipped>

Do i really think that people who have spent the last two years defending the mayhem and violence that Thaksin and the red shirts orchestrated on the streets of Bangkok in 2009 and 2010, now look very silly appealing for everyone to just follow the democratic process and wait for elections? Yes i do. Not that i don't agree with them. I do. Just i don't think it coming from them carries much credibility. What is it about any of that that makes you think i might need psychotherapy or a priest?

Haha, no matter the topic you always go back to Thaksin. Complete obsession with Thaksin. You would see Thaksin in a Roshack ink blot.

The sad part is there has many years of political unrest which is unfortunate for everyone in country. You apparently are incapable of acknowledging 2008 PAD episode. 06, 08, 10, and now 2012 are all playing roles in undermining the political process and political stability of your country. Yet you only focus on one man. Your mentality is the problem and not the solution.

On ASTV was shown a new tear gas attack (at least I understood so), and showing old women and old men suffering badly from the tear gas. Surely not people that would be able to brake the barricades. One unconscious.

If tear gas is justified can be discussed but there is no question the use way too much.

On the news they say five policemen have been injured including two seriously. The police also confiscated knife and bullets (guns ?) from protesters they have arrested. There's no question that the use of teargas was totally justified.

Or they are making the charges of knives and guns found to justify the clampdown.

Or are you so credulous as to actually believe Thai police never plant weapons to justify their actions?

I would change one word in your post credulou. I would have said mindless.

Speaking of mindless did you see the one poster who said the protesters were thugs who had brought wire cutters. He forgot to mention the wire cutters were to cut through barbed wire brought by the police to keep people out of a peaceful protest.

This is not news It was obvious for days that the government was not going to allow a peaceful protest. It would make them look bad.

Thailand is in sad shape when a Government has to start spreading rumors that it's Prime Minister is in danger of being kidnapped and a former Prime Minister can not even visit a city in a foreign country for fear of assassination.

Haha, can someone really be that delusional. Wow.

Too funny, the comment about police bringing barb wire because they were not going to allow a peaceful protest is amazing. The thugs really did not have to cut through the barb wire and aggressively attempt to overrun the cop's position just because the barb wire was there.

Difficult concept, but the thugs could have actually remained in the designated area on their side of the barb wire and still peacefully protested even though barb wire was present.

The old barb wire made me do it plea.

Based on videos showing protestors as aggressors, firing tear gas into the police and the death threat to Yungluck, this should be treated as a national security issue warranting use of force. Bad situation and I think police showed great restraint. Their conduct makes the current government appear as the reasonable ones.

That is your point of view it looked like it was the police who fired first and most often.

Ask your self two questions

1 Who brings barbed wire to a peaceful demonstration and

2 Who brought the barbed wire?

Police are charged with duty of keeping peace and they can legally use force to accomplish same. Protesters do not have legal right to lob tear gas at cops regardless as to who initiated.

Your say this was a peaceful protest so barb wire not needed. Apparently they needed more than just barb wire as those thugs cut through that stuff quickly.

Cops were actually in tune with what this really was meant to be. You seem in denial. The protester thugs seemed determined to escalate violence from the start and a peaceful demonstration was never on thug's agenda. Then pronouncing PM should be killed clearly illustrates their true nature.

She is PM. She won. Everyone needs to get over that and move on.

You can go down to the protest site and tell everyone that, but the problem might be that they will accuse you in 2010 of having said something quite different with regards Abhisit.

Who cares about 2010. This is 2012. I don't care who is in power. I just think whoever was elected should be power and these childish protest every two years to overthrow government is a bad idea that needs to stop before it gets really messy. If Yingluck get removed, I would imagine the next red shirt rally will be dousey. Also, saying PM needs to be killed from stage us an act of high treason and raises national security concerns. They crossed the line.

Cam someone really be that dense or do you just refuse to accept reality. Cops can use tear gas when a mass of protesters start trying to overtake their position. Protesters can not use tear gas against cops. That's illegal. This should not be a difficult concept.

Did I say there was a problem with the police using tear gas? (although I think it was premature).

I said there is a difference between protesters initiating the tear gas throwing compared to throwing it back.

Nope same thing as far as law is concerned. That is assault on a police officer regardless of sequence or who threw what first. Besides, it is not like these guys were sitting around having a peaceful lunch and cops decided to lob tear gas in their direction just for kicks.

I can see bashing cops if deadly force was used in that situation, but tear gas, pepper spray, concusion grenades, batons or any nonethal force was warranted.

Do all those people who told me that the protesters just wanted a peaceful demonstration want to offer an apology?

The protesters, driving a truck into the police, taking down barbwire and throwing tear gas first to instigate the police. This is not a peaceful demonstration. Their leader made it clear: He wants to see dead protesters to justify a military coup and freezing of the democratic process.

And they are apparently saying Yingluck needs to be killed from a stage. That alone should end their little sworay right there. Imagine if that happened in US. That dude would spend the next 10 years or so in solitary confinement.

I just love this...the howls of protest on this board from the yellow shirt trolls...look at the video my friends....you will see the barbed wire barrier is removed by the mob...you then see rockets being fired from the mob into the police ranks...then, and only then, do you see the tear gas come out...

I understand the blind partisanship, but really can't you come up with some comments better than thess?

The "rockets being fired from the mob" come after they have been fired from the police.

Does not matter. You still don't lob tear gas at the cops or don't you get that either. Its called the law and civil obedience, concepts apparently foreign to many in Thailand.

There is a big difference between initiating the throwing of tear gas and throwing them back from where they came.

Cam someone really be that dense or do you just refuse to accept reality. Cops can use tear gas when a mass of protesters start trying to overtake their position. Protesters can not use tear gas against cops. That's illegal. This should not be a difficult concept.

I just love this...the howls of protest on this board from the yellow shirt trolls...look at the video my friends....you will see the barbed wire barrier is removed by the mob...you then see rockets being fired from the mob into the police ranks...then, and only then, do you see the tear gas come out...

I understand the blind partisanship, but really can't you come up with some comments better than thess?

The "rockets being fired from the mob" come after they have been fired from the police.

Does not matter. You still don't lob tear gas at the cops or don't you get that either. Its called the law and civil obedience, concepts apparently foreign to many in Thailand.

Wow well that puts things in perspective!

Also looks to me like tear gas was fired from both sides?

This too. Gas canisters from both directions. Fired towards the police first (in the footage at least).

Is it possible that the protesters were just throwing the canisters back?

Possible, but they were still clearly the aggressors and lucky for them cops only lobbed tear gas. That bs would warrant a nice beat down and a few days in jail if US. These protestors have absolutely no respect for cops, authority or government.

Based on videos showing protestors as aggressors, firing tear gas into the police and the death threat to Yungluck, this should be treated as a national security issue warranting use of force. Bad situation and I think police showed great restraint. Their conduct makes the current government appear as the reasonable ones.