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I can't believe no-one chose the option of "Really makes no difference, they really do look inside"

When i first started coming to LOS i was a fat lard-ar$e with thick black coke bottle glasses... i used to get called hansum man non stop

Now i have contact lenses and am down to 80kg i can't remember the last time i was called hansum

The comments about burning the house to the ground did amuse me, i think you say this in jest. It probably would work in a real nasty case but im sure you would end up dead very quick...cant sleep with one eye open forever!!

The one woman i might have fallen for in the early days had a live in child, so the burning down the house tactic would'nt have been practical.

Many things I say in jest, but I stand by what I said about burning my home to the ground. I basically threatened my second Canadian wife the same way. I bend over backward to try to be fair, but if someone wants a war then I'm the wrong person to pick it with. I will do anything I want up to and including many things illegal if someone wants to pick a fight. At that point I don't follow law abiding rules and I don't care about the consequences.

Ian, i always thought you were a peaceful easy goin fella but now your starting to remind me of this bloke......

We need to understand that we are a foreign people living in a foreign land with virtually no statutory rights.

Although in our own countries, wives may still be able to take a hubby to the cleaners via the court systems, in Thailand Thai wives and their families have even more advantages over their farang husbands.

I have known cases where a Thai wife has died and her family had claimed all the property, including vehicles, although it was the farang husband who originally financed the lot.

As for property in Thailand regarding male farang to Thai female marriages, the law usually states that any proceeds left over after a divorce should be distributed 50/50 between the couple. But there are no guarantees, especially if the wife takes out any loans on a property, changes the names of owners on the land papers or sells it without the farang husband's knowledge, which is easy to do.

Taking these matters to court can take years and prove non-viable due to ripp-off lawyer's fees and court courts. In the end if an amicable agreement cannot be reached between the parties, the court may impose that all assets be auctioned at a loss.

Also, never assume that a Thai wife is unintelligent and not knowledgeable enough to undertake any trickery, because she will have family and friends who are only too keen to advise her how to fleece the farang.

Unless you have children who's names can be used for the purchase of real estate and land in Thailand, then whatever a farang purchases in the name of his Thai wife, he does so at his discretion, his own risk and he will be vulnerable, especially if the marriage, for whatever reasons, turns soar.

That's a safe bet.....an assumption i definatley would never consider considering

hehehehe funny stuff she may have the emotional maturity of a teenager but the guy married her. Says a lot about of his maturity. It takes two to tango

My thoughts exactly. It takes a bit of research before jumping into a long term relationship. That doesn't mean you can't enjoy the ride. But, you REALLY have to be prepared to accept the consequences of your own actions. Living with anyone is a huge commitment... male or female, and it takes a lot of adjusting. I have many male friends that I couldn't live with and would probably drive me crazy... just as I would drive them crazy. But, we still have a lot of fun when we get together. I have a few beautiful Thai lady friends that are great lovers, but we could never live together. We just keep it that way and get along very well.

When my first wife of 20 years wanted a divorce I told her we would split everything 50-50 and I would give her a 1/3 of my pension, and support her for a year until she got steady employment. She was a licensed nurse and could earn more than me if she wanted to work. But, I also said if she wanted more than half then there was going to be a war. I would give her half the house alright... I would take the power saw and cut it diagonally to separate the upstairs from the downstairs which would effectively destroy the home. If a Thai wife wanted to toss me out of a home I had paid for then I would burn it to the ground and nobody would get anything. I won't back down from anything.

The thing about you Ian is that you know the rules of the game and play accordingly. If everyone were like this it would save a lot of hassle, but then again Thaivisa would be very a boring place if it were so.

You talk about researching the person before getting into a long term relationship,but how can you see the real person if shes hiding it from day one? putting on one great big fat BS act (such as in loveomasks case). You simply have no fair chance.

In my case i am lucky as ALL (and i mean ALL) of the Thai women i have known have had exactly the same traits, same thoughts on men, marriage and money. They even talk the same. It makes it a lot more simple to know what the relaities are.

So, yeah, i have the same situation as you with my Thai lady friends, but i am under no illusion.They play along because they realize they will never get the big payday off me, so to them it is better to hang around and see what they can pick up along the way...would i really trust them with something important?? well hmmm..thats a no brainer

The comments about burning the house to the ground did amuse me, i think you say this in jest. It probably would work in a real nasty case but im sure you would end up dead very quick...cant sleep with one eye open forever!!

The one woman i might have fallen for in the early days had a live in child, so the burning down the house tactic would'nt have been practical.

He might have definitely bought the house with his own funds but I suspect it is in her name hence it is HER house.

Yes, that is a given, and yes, the guy agrees to do it because he thinks they have a future..and he thought he could trust her. Trust that was given in VERY bad haste.

But anyway my point still..someone get a free house, but no acknowledgement, no thanks, no appreciation...only the short end of the stick

Maybe i am just a tad old fashioned..if a Thai buys me a beer its like winning the lottery

Wifey

You just know it's going to take a turn for the worse when you start calling 'em that.

Hehe, no worse than dahh-ling

1. The house was her house because in Thailand a foriegner can't own land so therefore she was quite right in saying the house was her house.

2. Sulking, as the OP mentioned, is not a typical asian female trait. It's the trait of someone with the emotional maturity of a teenage highschool girl and it's utter bloody nonsense. Why any intelligent bloke would put up with this for more than 5 minutes beggars belief. If a bloke accepts this as normal behaviour, in a relationship, then you deserve what you get. At the first sign of this nonsense, terminate the relationship because it's not going to get any better.

I am suprised (well not really) that nearly all of my past Thai GFs have used the old silent treatment when they don't get what they want. I've read in some cases some have been known to pull a knife on the guy...so i suppose in that regard the silent treatment is preferrable!!!

Why do guys buy houses for women here and not face the fact that it is dead money never to be seen again.I stand firm on the fact spend what you can afford to lose and live with it. I was married for 4 months to a Thai woman.She appeared to be of good heritage. Her first husband Thai was a professor at Naresuan university, her oldest son ran an international manufacturing company. After marriage I found out what a terrible person she was. In 4 months I bought a beautiful home and she spent over a million on other things. I walked away from her and got a divorce when the guy at the amphur ask if I had invested anything with her well married I simply said No. Please just give me my divorce .

All over the world the women take the houses face reality we are men act like it. I get tired of the men crying about their loses here to women. If you cannot afford to play stay out of the game.

Guys come here who never had a pot to piss in or a window to throw it out of and think they are great because they are foreigners. Maybe have a few dollars and think they are rich compared to the poor thai. They act the part for a few years and lose it all then cry about it. Make your own bed and sleep in it I say.

Just had to add house costs here are the big draw I feel for many poor foreigners to finally feel they have arrived and can afford a decent home. They live life disillusioned.

Good post..you have just summed it up in a nutshell, especially "stay out of the game if you can't afford it"...that can only be telling it how it is.

I understand exactly your point, i guess what it boils to is these guys have given up what they did of their own free will. No-one forced them, and you have a mature and healthy approach to what happened to you. I do wonder how long you knew her before you married her though? What a terrible thing for her to do.

Anyway, you have a good attitute and approach, i guess to be otherwise would only send you crazy.

Still, as a single guy myself i just can't fathom how someone could be so cold to have orchestrated the whole thing so connivingly then executed the plan and left the guy on the outer with no remorse, no feelings whatsoever...and DEFINATELY no appreciation. Funny that people often suffer a lot more trivial things at the hands of others, yet people will ask "how could you do this to another human being"

Tricked into parting with years worth of labour and money its just disgusting. Presumably this same woman would shreik with horror if an animal faced any sort of cruelty...but yet the dispicable things they do to human beings is OK??!

In the case of the guy i talked of, your story, and others the most sickening thing for me is that you have been the provider, in good faith, given everything that anyone could want, Yet these people show no appreciation whatsoever, just expect the guy to give them a house for free and then shaft them.

Its enough to make a guy join the monkhood actually

I'm sitting in front of the telly and the wife is feeding me peeled and seeded grapes. Call the police somebody! I need a divorce lawyer. One more grape and I'm outta here!

If you are happy and she is happy then that is all that matters. Although rare, there ARE people in your enviable position.

Meanwhile you need to enjoy it whilst it lasts.

That is true for everything in life. I have seen far too many men say they are going to do all sorts of things when they retire. Then, when they finally retire they no longer have the energy to do anything. Or, they have a heart attack or get cancer. Right now I have an aquaintance who is only 57 and he's really only had ONE holiday in his entire life. He talks about that one trip to Costa Rica like it was yesterday, but in fact it was 15 years ago. Now he has terminal cancer and won't live to see Christmas. And, he's had to put up with a bitchy wife for as long as I've known him. Nothing he did was ever good enough for her. It reminds me of the old saying..

Why do married women live longer than married men? Answer... because the men WANT to die.

Hehe, you may be onto something there mate. Your comment reminded me of something i saw on the crazy box on 60 minutes the other night. It was about a tribe of natives (cant remember where) who had seen nothing of the west or modern day life whatsoever.

Dont ask me how they translated this, but one of the younger guys being interviewed was talking about how he would never marry, and that it was just to much trouble for him.

His explanation was simple enough:

A. Women talk to much

B. They complain all day long

WOW, and this coming from the uneducated and uncivilized.

Should be noted that the life expectancy of these natives was not much over 30 though, the guys prefer to kill themselves with poison before they get to old

The guy who posted about his wifes annoying habits kinda jotted my memory about an American guy i'd met on visa trip to Laos some years ago. Can't say i knew him all that well but we would say hello on MSN every now and chat about life in Thailand.

Anyway,with him been married to a Thai for many years, i found it quite intrigueing to hear about all the dramas and ups and downs he would go through in his marriage. (and by the way, he had never mentioned TV, so i have no reason to believe he is a member or is reading these forums...maybe someone will recognise this story.)

They would have the usual arguments and the bigger ones would result in her refusing to talk to him for days on end, which i know from experience to be pretty much the standard MO for Thai females. In the end his viewpoint was that it seemed like she was deliberately trying to make his life hell so he would walk out and leave her the house and car and bike he'd ponied up for.

The big kicker was how his wife would refer to the house as "her" house,constantly to friends (in Thai)..as opposed to "ours". Apparently she also made comment on her Facebook page about it being HER house and her being debt free!!..although no mention of the farang who funded it all!!

I guess i can see how this would be a prickly issue, especially when this guy definately bought the house with his own funds, but possibly signed papers to say the exact opposite....

If it were me i guess i would be a little annoyed. I remember his last message was after a few nights on the syrup and he had finally confronted her about this and a few other things that he had been stewing over.

Anyway, I guess its not so much the fact that she constantly referred to it as HER house, (it could just be a language thing) but if it were me i would be more worried about the implications of this attitude if/when things went belly up.I guess In Thai eyes this would fall under "you think to much"

So was the guy being over-sensitive in your opinion??

After some of the stories i read on here i really do have to wonder why anyone would want to get married..anywhwere!!

Sadly i never heard the end of the above story but i often wonder if this issue might have been the straw that broke the camels back and made her kick him out of HER house for good

Hello!

can someone tell me,what is the reason,that in thailand,and other asian countrys,the subsidisation,of smartphones,does not exisits,like in europe?

here the "force",the people,to make a contrant ,for 2 years,then all new smart phones,are free of charge!

in thailand,i have to pay 500€ and more for a new smartphone?

www.drei,at

i dont understand,why,the mobile operators,in asia,did not use a simular system like in europe, in a massmarket with millions of people?

I'd sooner buy the phone outright than being forced into a plan for two years just so the carrier can be assured you will not go to the competition.

I can't speak for European countries, but in Australia the cost of the phone will be factored into a minimum 18 month charge for the plan they lock you into...And of course you cannot use the phone on another network until the contract is fully paid out.

In any case they still stick you for the cost of the phone and the ridiculously high call premiums they charge.

These companies will offer what they call a "free" phone on a very cheap plan,with high call charges, but they usually only do this to help clear a backlog of very cheap old technology phones that no-one wants.

Telco companies in Aus are a bunch of used arsetowels IMO and most of their MO should be against anti-competition laws.

I find all the phone companies in Thailand extremely fair after having dealt with greedy <deleted> in OZ for so long

What about when the wife withholds her sexual favors?

Does he get a rebate?

From reading this thread it would seem logical that he'd need to take her to court

But im sure any self respecting Frenchman would surrender to the wife before taking on such drastic action

Gotcha Creep! This delinquent rented out my house while I was on a 3 week vacation. Came back to find someone living in my house and everything but a few DVD's and dishes were thrown in the trash. EVERYTHING!!!! Police were most unhelpful, telling me I had to wait till my "real" landlord to return to Thailand. I can only hope some of his victims get back their money, although I doubt it. As for me, I've been reduced to a suitcase and a cheap room.

SO How is it that you are still reduced to a suitcase and a room??

Surely this guy could not have created a lease for long term residency on someone elses house??

Excuse me however many farangs do a vast amount of volunteer work in Thailand, everything from helping to care for the aged to working to support orphans. This remark is therefore highly offensive.

Thai Visa members need to recognize that many Farangs are doing volunteer and helping out around the World not just Thailand..but, we seldom hear about them and their kindness...my opinion...

Yes, and there would be lot more people willing to volunteer for good causes

IF it were not for the US$2,000 you have to pay some organisation in the U.S for a few weeks of said volunteer work.

Life's a gamble, throw the dice, see what happens, good luck, you never know you may have hit the jackpot !!

I will guarantee if you don't take a chance you will ALWAYS think "what if" for the rest of your proverbial

Paul

Oh Please. Those tired old sayings are best left for the smucks back in the west.

The only "what if"s you need to think about when it comes to Thai womaen are........what if i get married, buy a house i can't own, gradually spend all my savings and then suddenly find myself divorced because my "usefullness" has ran out.

Not much fun to have to go back home pennyless with your tail between between legs after falling big time for a bit of skirt.

Fair to say, you can't trust a lot of females in the west either, but at least its not part of the culture to go out trying to find a well heeled foriener to marry.

The only ones who will benefit from the listing of retail food companies like Foodland is the high end management IMO. It will certainly do nothing for customers or staff.

First on the agenda will be to cut the staff back to the bone and eradicate any half decent conditions the workers had, then they will hike the prices as much as the market will allow.

After that high end management can award themselves as much as they can in "performance" bonuses for all their hard work in screwing down everyone under them.

Always a very convenient excuse to say they are doing all these things to "look after the shareholders".

Maybe whats needed is a special task force of police who are actually on the ground and in the thick of it.

There could be drug tests done on these characters and licenses revoked..Maybe even rewards offered for information leading to the apprehension of those few crooks.

If Thais don't want to go against their own on this then maybe they could employ some sort of farang 'tuk tuk tourist police"

Tolerance. A nice ideal, but a double-edged sword. Too much either way and you end up with problems; imbalance.

I think the notion of tolerance with the natives here is like any other ideal that sounds nice on the surface. They take that meaning and use it for their own selfish purposes to push their individual agendas of greed, lies, deceit and corruption. Then, when the issue is called on the carpet, their finger get tangled up in the effort to point away from their person.

Self-discipline; to do the right thing when no one is looking. Not their self-discipline; to do what feels right when no one is looking.

Bashing? Certainly not! I've simply seen and read of too many examples in all walks of life, that far outweigh the very few and seldom niceties we read about infrequently.

Yes; I understand this exists elsewhere. No; I am not going to move to another country, or go home. My opinion (and that is what this is) allows me to express my views

I think what you say is true of all people, not just the natives of any one country.

But yes, i do see what you mean if what you are pointing to is in relation to a lack of personal responsibility. It does seem to run rife in cultures where the importance of "face" is a little over the top.

Its a sad thing that some societies as a whole consider any sort of self introspection, or any serious self examination of ones deeds as "thinking to much". Are all our all our cultures guilty of this to some extent?

It is inevitable what will follow...an attitude along the lines of "Whatever I do is NEVER wrong, yet if someone did the same thing to me, it is VERY wrong...and therefor i have the right to ANY revenge I deem suitable"

I think it is very much the same as the westerners who believe Kharma will suddenly strike down those who wrong them, yet they themselves actually do the same things (and worse) to claw themselves ahead of the pack.

Sad state of affairs not always exclusive of location IMO.

On a positive note, I also still prefer to spend the bulk of my time in Thailand.

IMO if you keep clean, are respectful and do show tolerance yourself, you are LOT more likely to not have any trouble than in other places.

The thing i find hard to swallow is those that advocate the legalisation of this sort of stuff. Are you guys for real??

What society, anywhere on the planet, have you actually witnessed what (good things) have eventuated from the legalization of these drugs?

You cannot even guess what a mess society would become, simply because it hasnt happened anywhere in the world, so it has never been witnessed what the after effects would be. If memeory serves, even Amsterdam is getting stricter with its attitude to drug culture.

Alcohol being legal already is the majour cause of death, disease and domestic and social violence in society. Do you seriously think legalisation of this stuff will improove things?

Anyone who does must already be mentally effected by drugs IMO.

While there's no solution in sight maybe current thaivisa members, who take this so close to heart, can come up with some new methods of delivering their cause to future potential tourists?

I dont know what would work but perhaps a grassroots effort like a dedicated website or something (without bias/stereotyping) that gives the known stats on these events (similar to the accident numbers they publish in the news after songkran). Either way the last 3 years I've been watching people's concerns on this issue being repeated with nothing happening and a new approach is required (if this topic is of great importance to yourself).

Personally it doesnt affect myself so much as I dont have a business here and I have my own transportation. But there definitely seems to be more than a handful of posters that are capable of tackling the issue in a more meaningful way yielding results more to their liking?

Hmmm.

Maybe start a new "crackdown"

Interesting to see what will happen in this case, as the thugs were beating up on an innocent Thai guy going about his business.

I wonder if there will be any excuses forthcoming, like in the German guys case...Where the official stated there was no excuse for this...BUT...it was important that people should not consider pricing factors in relation to distance travelled. (or words to that effect)

Maybe since there was two Thai's involved maybe they will say its OK because the guy was repeatedly warned to stay off this particular turf

Maybe we should give credit to the thugs for warning the tourists to **** off instead of beating them up as well

10. My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev.19:19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them? Lev.24:10-16. Couldn't we just burn them to death at a private family affair, like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev. 20:14)

Thank the good lord for the superior font on Thaivisa pages, otherwise...rn...in the word burn could have looked a little like an m

This is INGRAINED..its getting worse because now there are more of them ..what will happen next,because of all the reports in the media...worldwide,,,these tuk tuks willl lose cusdtomers and become more desperate and dangerous..i dread to think whats going to happen when this starts to happen.. ACTION has to be taken by the Government to stop this,they are the only ones who can do it.... now there is a new Govern ment, it delays it again.we cant do nothing only our embassies can pressurise them to do something....

I wonder if the wider government or the prime minister even know anything about this?? I doubt it, as they have bigger fish to fry.

And if the governors of these provinces arent willing to do anything, what hope is there of ever changing anything?

Even in the case of the German guy getting beaten (nearly) to death...one of the first things the official commented on was that it was important to know that costing structures should not be considered in terms of distance travelled <deleted>!!!...

HELLO..The guy was in a coma!!! It could be said that some Germans can be hotheads at times, and probably not the most tolerant people in the world, but you cannot just beat him to an inch of his life over 100 baht.

In some countries there would be a public outcry if any official even hinted at an excuse for..say...how assylum seekers were treated. And this example is not so good as the assylum seekers get treated pretty dang good. Probably better than the nationals sometimes .

In any case, a politicians head would roll if he dared say it was the asslum seekers fault he drowned in a leaky boat, tried to hang himself or tried to burn down the resources offered to them..And here we have a country whoose tourism industry (supposedly) wins award after award for the best destination..year after year!!!

Extreme holidaying must be in fashion is all i can say...Come to Thailand and and try your luck...do battle with the three wheeled gladiators...take on a few seemingly harmless khathooeys and see how you go!!!...get drugged by a bargirl and risk being left brain dead!!...you beaut!! this is adventure holidaying at its best!!!

The most worrying thing IMO, is when tourists get beaten up and we continue to see this Thai attitude that even when Thais do wrong there is still some mitigating excuse.

How can you talk tolerance in a place like Thailand. Tolerance is on the direct opposite pole to all this "face" doo-dah.

If you can somehow re-educate a whole species on how futile the whole idea of face is, then you might see a bit of tolerance. Until then, and whether you call this sort of thing "face" or some other word..it's still the thorn that will destroy all nations. Greed is its bigger and uglier brother an is running rife everywhere. And sad to say, it all stems from within, on an individual level. We are all prone to it and suffer its consequences regardless of nationality

Of course there ARE some advantages... I can get three 40 kilogram Thai women for the price of one average 80 kilogram American woman.

Ian, you are slipping mate....thought you would have negociated...buy 2 and get the 3rd one free

but i see where your coming from..and they don't have the same baggage as the western product either