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Distributing home-addresses of people being protested against, to an angry mob is certainly incitement to commit assault. It is a serious crime in itself, and becomes a much more serious crime if any of the judges or their familes are actually threatened, intimidated or attacked.

PTP are of course no strangers to crime, and working hard to change the legal definition of who in society is subjugate to laws, from 'everybody' (the old-fashioned outdated system) to 'everybody except our families, friends and card-carrying supporters'.

Whether or not this was a criminal act is debatable.. No threat was made against the judges. The suggestion was that if you disagree, call or write the judges and let them know. What is not debatable is that it was an idiotic act and inexcusable for a representative of the government to have been implicated in such an activity. The man should be sacked from his position immediately and he must be reprimanded and sanctioned for such behaviour. A person in a position of responsibility must not act in this manner.

I agree.

It might have helped if Abhisit had taken a stronger line with those of his own party who disrupted parliament earlier.I'm not saying they weren't pushed into a corner which meant they had little option. I just think he and those responsible could have at least apologised for having to behave in that way.

On the subject of addresses does anyone have GK's. I and others keep agreeing with him I think some of us should visit him to make sure he's not ill or being forced to write these posts.

I remember the 'Good Old Days', when the Reds & their absent-leader claimed to be fighting for justice, yet now they're in-power they seem to regard threatening judges and their families as perfectly-OK ?

Funny way to support justice, IMO !

Wonder when the PM will start supporting the legal-system, such as it is, and condemn the Red-Shirts' actions.

To be sure that she wouldn't be sued for defamation, she would have to do that from parliament. As she appears to be allergic to parliament, I don't think it will happen soon.

Probably doesn't know it's happening.

I think there is a possibility you are all reading this the wrong way, for me these actions by the PM are damaging to the cause so why is it happening

I honestly think there may be a rift between Yingluck and her brother to the extent she has told him - I want nothing to do with this madness, I'm pretty sure she has a mind of her own and not be the Pawn that everyone thinks she is and further she most likely doesn't like the people she's being forced to work with in the cabinet - prime example being Charlerm

Just a thought and possibly not inconceivable

Well It does have it's points but she is the leader and if she wants she can reshuffle the cabinet and bring in responsible people to fill the positions and certainly as the leader demonstrate a bit of control over her party. Not every one in the Party is a big fan of Thaksin and would welcome a real leader. Even some of the opposition would be more agreeable to cooperation for the well being of the whole country.

But alas she hasn't got what it takes to be a leader.

We are stuck with all her brother could afford.

A good point. There's a thread about about a threat to overthrow the government. But that doesn't seem to be true. It's only when the drive to get Thaksin off the hook that tempers flare. I'm pretty sure there could be some agreement with the more responsible Democrats if the PTP was also lead by more responsible MPs.

People who are jelous that they were not born British always try to knock us ,never mind son ,just keep on posting and thinking your lot are the best. we understand

I was unfortunate enough to have been born British, I would swap my passport for a passport from any of the major EU countries, Canada, Thailand, Equador, etc. Not the USA, Australia or NZ as they treat their pensioners even worse than the UK.

so tell me what is the old age pension in Thailand at the moment ,higher than my British pension? would love to know

I can answer that one.

My total NI payments approx 180,000 ukp in my pocket Vs 6,000 ukp pa fixed British pension.

And before Bendix jumps in, pointing out all the other benefits it gave me.

National Health, not needed, company provided private health care for me and family. Unemployment, never needed as not a loser. And to add insult, my health care incurred additional income tax.

You'd be surprised how few doctors and dentists there would be if they weren't trained in the NHS and how often private hospitals use NHS facilities, in particular expensive equipment which it isn't economically viable for them to purchase. Also some private healthcare doesn't cover some serious medical problems and if they do then the premiums tend to rise a lot. I doubt my late wife's multiple sclerosis would have been covered particularly if it hadn't been so aggressive and she'd lived longer. I needed benefits then as I had to give up work to look after her. I'm sure private healthcare doesn't help if your injured in say a road accident Partly because of the NHS the life expectancy is higher in the UK than USA.

True some people are unemployed because they don't want to work but sometimes it can be out of your control and you need benefits to cover until you get another job or have to retrain if necessary.

I think your statement Unemployment, never needed as not a loser. shows you're not the sort of person I'd want to spend much time listening to.

The study "attracted" about 250 participants from "many" relevant authorities.

He was confident that the study "should also be able to cut down on road accidents."

The statements are preposterous and don't correlate to the headline about "cutting road deaths." A good place to start to cut down on road deaths is enforcing a law that hit and run is illegal and will be enforced with severe penalties of serious jail time, fines, revocation of license, and criminal record. So too drunk driving and vehicle standards.

Runners often flee the scene of an accident with severely injured people who later die as the result of no timely treatment or assistance. By having strict enforced laws on hit and run, potential runners will think twice before they speed, swerve, put a car on the road with bald tires, drink and drive..etc. It won't solve the problem, but it is the place to start.

"Launching a survey with over 250 diverse people and training people on GPS at the Transport Ministry won't cut down deaths on the highway. Dreaming up a King Mongkut University study with 250 "relevant" people and bus service providers is merely a blue print to propose a money grab of some sort. GPS has little to do with road deaths and foundational issues like hit and run penalties, severe drunk driving penalties, and vehicle safety regulations that actually get enforced with severe penalties. All the GPS systems in the world won't cut down on drunk and drugged driving, unsafe vehicles, and speeding. Even if they were free and everyone was trained.

All it needs is tachographs in trucks and buses and trucks as in a lot of western countries so speeding and driving for too long can be detected. I can see this being transferred to cars as well soon what with advanced technology. Also an update of laws to make them relevant. Oh and a police force to properly enforce it all. ..................... Ahh I think I'll just go and rethink that.

I've noticed here in Mahasarakham posters of various sizes showing a motorcycle helmet and 100% plus some Thai. I've also seen police stopping people without helmets but then letting them ride off while still breaking the law. It does seem to have worked a bit though. There a lot more helmets on the main roads. It's just a pity that some police are so uneducated that they can't understand the simple signs.

Many senior police officers were prosecuted for their action against the PAD protest on October 7, 2008, when crowds blocked Parliament to prevent then-premier Somchai Wongsawat's Cabinet from making its policy statement. Two protesters were killed and many others injured in clashes with anti-riot police.

So the senior police were prosecuted, but what happened to Thaksin's brother-in-law's charges? And Chavalit's charges?

Former Prime Minister Somchai Charged With Criminal Misconduct

http://www.thaivisa....nal-misconduct/

The National Anti-Corruption Commission (NACC) has resolved to file charges against former prime minister Somchai Wongsawat, ex-deputy prime minister Chavalit Yongchaiyudh, Royal Thai Police Commissioner-General Patcharawat Wongsuwan and four other senior police officers over the violent dispersal of People's Alliance for Democracy (PAD) protesters on Oct 7 last year.

So based on this logic Abhisit and Suthep should be charged over the deaths at the hands of the military in 2010?

If there is sound evidence against them, yes. But Thaksin is using all the other cases and this one to try and get past his own. It may be the case of course that the evidence against Abhisit and Suthep (who incidentally I don't think much of) is just not there. I wonder if the red shirts realise that if he gets his way nobody will be held responsible for the deaths in 2010? I'm sure a little while ago some of them where complaining that justice was too slow coming.

The court is correct in using law 68.

PT should be ban for questioning the court.

the law regarding article 68 is clearly stated above, along with the procedure, and it has not been followed so is therefore not an enforceable judgement. So maybe you can tell us all why it is correct, is it because you say so?

Or is 'law' 68 something completely different and you have just posted in the wrong thread?

It is correct. Not because I say so?

It is because the court say so.

And in Thailand, no one can question the court.

The Thai court is always right.

if you do not respect court verdict, or question it, you go to jail.

I have always seen on here that you can't question the verdict of the court but that seems only to apply on this forum as far as I can see.

Ahh yes, all sorts of comments, but not one on the actual subject matter: Are the actions of the judges an attempt to legislate from the bench, an interference in the legal duties of the House, or are the judges acting in accordance with the applicable laws?

I don't suppose anyone wants to take a stab at considering the legal basis for the judicial activities? Maybe there is a legitimate legal argument to make in respect to the activity?

Unfortunately, one won't see a discussion of that here in this thread as the usual internet thugs rush to toss whatever crap they think will stick. It would be a nice change, to read the comments of someone offering up an explanation based upon the actual facts of the matter and not tangental comments about the alleged wrongdoings of a DPM etc.

The DPM brought this up so he is part of the topic as he said The Constitutional Court has no right to prevent Parliament from voting on an amendment that would create a new body to rewrite the charter. If that's so then there's no reason to start complaining about them as it's not them who are stopping the vote.

I don't know about the legal side of this argument but as it stands it would appear that they are doing the job they are there for otherwise the DPM wouldn't mention it. If they started saying that a particular show on television should be stopped because they didn't like the presenter they would rightly be ignored.

In response to Gentleman Jim.

Sure, she is the PM and does not have to read every line of every piece of potential legislation prior to debate.

It is the duty of parliament to do that and to then to debate and accept or change such potential legislation, within the framework of the parliamentary rules.

Sadly, that appears to be too difficult for AV and his party who prefer boorish, thuggish and juvenile actions instead of debate and amendment.

No doubt they have their reasons for such tactics but they don't look very mature, responsible or parliamentarian.............

Clear now ?

A quite unbelievable response.

She stated she has not seen the Reconciliation bill, a piece of legislation bringing the country to the brink of civil war, and she is PM. Making an excuse for her (which I knew you would) is the height of folly. Thanks for not letting us down.

Also she hasn't seen any of them but knows they will be good but she does think everyone else should read them before making comments.

"Red Shirts Told To Fight 'Attempts To Unseat Govt'" Right, because only the red shirts are allowed to unseat govt?

Just curious, if TS is so passionate about bringing a red army to fight, why is it he doesn't show up to lead the charge? He seems to feel he is invincable, so he should feel brave enough to come to Bangkok and get on the stage live, instead of using that monkey that lost his PM seat to, again, see if he can distroy the city again with his bunch of inciters!! TS, come to town and show us what you got, if you dare!

No matter how much sense it would make, the fact is you're expecting too much from a lower life form. They placed a picture of Abhisit and threw shoes at it in their Red gathering. What's next, more HIV infected blood?

Why not ??

At least you get something to moan about, other than about 15 million "lower life forms........."

Pouring blood and throwing shoes at a picture......The gall of it !!!!

How dare they.

It's obviously far more disrespectful than the unelected government of the day shooting people in the head.

Exactly which members of the government shot people in the head?

I heard of someone with the name Kerr who insisted on calling their son Wayne.

My Thai gf often says porn when she means prawn ........or is it the other way round? Not really sure now.

It happens to the best of companies. Rolls Royce almost called one of their cars Silver Mist. Mist apparently translates in German as sh_t.

Sound like the Mazda Laputa, which I believe means 'whore' in Spanish

You won't find many Mitsubishi Pajeros in Spanish speaking parts of the world as Pajero means.....<deleted>!

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It was named after a wild cat oddly from Spanish speaking Argentina I think but is called a Montero in Spain and many a few other countries. In the UK it's called a Shogun although you often see the name Pajero on spare wheel covers and on imported vehicles.

you cant judge a politician by how much he steals, only by what he gives back, and as far as yingluck going public and assuring the people that her brother will not benefit from the bill is a wank, if the good old trustworthy dh aussie poli"s can at an election promise the country there will be no Gs bloody T then after getting elected well what do you know, we just have to have GST, then what chance do the thai people have.

Show me a politician who has never taken stolen or lied and I will bare my lily white arse, terrible animals they all are, so if you are going to condemn anyone, condemn the political system, politicians should all be held accountable for their actions the clever little mothers they are

Sorry but that's utter crap. It's simply not possible to get any group of people, be it politicians, doctors, architects or roadsweepers and all of them to be honest and upstanding or all of them criminals. It just doesn't happen. It does make it difficult if you're trying to do a good job and you're in the minority so in those cases there are less honest ones. Of course sometimes people make a mistake, everybody without exception makes mistakes. It's how to deal with it that matters.

I seem to remember there was a police chief just a little while back who was moved to another post. It was something to do with him doing too good a job cutting corruption or something like that. I think a lot of his force protested against his removal.

Ok just found the link. This could be why difficult to do a good job.

Stupid woman doesn't realise that her family is the problem.

She shouldn't be anywhere near legislation affecting so many of her family including herself.

Rotten to the core

Sent from my dog.

I don't think she is anywhere near it. She doesn't know the details and she's not often in parliament.

Seen it this morning on the thai tv...was quite entertaining, at least for him!

Sure. He's neither Pheu Thai nor Democrat.

Seems they've sorted out the camera phones in Parliament issue, though. There was no porno shown on the big screen the whole time.

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Yes what happened about the porno? I thought they had all the evidence and were going to name the person responsible.

I think that for the Thaksin lovers something needs to be made quite clear. Whilst they defend and apologise for criminals and would support an amnesty for their dearly beloved and his thugs, Jatuporn, Arisman etc etc, they seem to think that those of us who dislike Thaksin would protect Democrat criminals in the same way. Nothing could be further from the truth. As far as I am concerned ANY MP who has broken the law (and many have done so seriously), should be tried by a court of law and if found guilty punished to the full extent of the law and lose their position of privilege. I don't care what party they are from. When MP's make themselves above the law of the land then we are definitely sliding down the slippery slope. Yingluck said today she had a mandate from the people. The people who voted for her did not give her that mandate to make her priority putting MP's above the law. The amnesty seems to have been given more priority than the constitution, and to a nation the constitution should be more important, and neither amnesty or constitution should be even be considered before the Government have tended to the more immediate problems affecting the country and its people.

Quite true. No double standards as someone once said.

Europe as an economic model is hardly the star in the firmament right now, and is on the verge of imminent collapse. The parallel with ASEAN is...?

That's not quite true. The Eurozone is experiencing problems due to excessive debt in a few countries. Some of this is due to not abiding by the fiscal rules put in place (Germany was first but is OK), some like Spain due to a property bubble which burst. The economic crisis in 2008 exposed this causing the problems we see now. Much should be learnt from this both in Asia and Europe. The European Union which is different from the eurozone also has problems but no more than could be expected with so many nations involved. It also creates the situation where the workers in one country find those from another country coming to do their jobs sometimes because they are cheaper. Of course if you have a large increase in your minimum wage but only apply it to your own nationals as Thailand seems to have done then you will get companies moving close to the border to take advantage of cheap foreign labour to which the law doesn't apply. I believe this is happening now.

To take this subject further.

The European union has been an outstanding success in terms of political and democratic achievement, remember it was not too long ago that Spain was a fascist dictatorship and half of Europe was a communist bloc run from the Kremlin, so the change over the last 40 years is astounding, and still continues today with more countries wishing to join.

The Euro project, with a set of binding rules for fiscal stability, was torpedoed by France and Germany when it did not fit their domestic policies and the direct result can be seen in the Greek crisis - they only have themselves to blame

This should be a lesson to ASEAN (it was only two tears ago that there was talk of an ASEAN currency union, and even the Japanese offered to put the Yen into this), and so the ASEAN project will be more of a free trade bloc than a political union.

Where ASEAN can learn from Europe is the tough actions taken on ensuring that free market rules and competition is adhered to, and any infringement can be taken to a higher court than the national parliaments and stiff fines levied.

When Denmark joined the EU it had 200% taxes on imported cars that had to be abolished - sound familiar??

The danger for ASEAN will be too little regulation and penalties, allowing countries to maintain protective barriers and justified by "saving face in not criticising a neighbour".

Added to this there needs to be a very tough anti-corruption legislation at ASEAN level, which would take the prosecution out of the hands of national governments where it concerns pan-national trade - i.e. a Singapore company paying a bribe to a Thai official - and both parties being sentenced.

A functional free market and tough regulation would be a welcome wake-up call to Thai companies and politicians alike.

Crobe

Thanks. Well put.

"The award brings pride and confirms the success of the department and other agencies, of which concerted concerts are globally recognised. This award will inspire the department and others to further their crackdown activities," she said.

A. this HAS to be a joke....B. what the heck are concerted concerts

I think this has been translated into English. It was then proof read by someone who has a Masters Degree in English from a Thai University.

Before anyone gets angry I'm joking. well apart from the first bit.

Please remember Thailand is a very young democracy only since around 1939, there is a lot to learn yet and a lot of old habits to get rid of. Countries take a bit of time to become mature. The european countries England and France have been at this a bit longer than thailand and along with the US they still donot always get it right on ocassion.

Credit where it's due though. They seem to have got the hang of making lots of money, buying big houses and driving around in Mercedes and BMWs. I expect they've nearly learnt how to use those iPads and iPhones the bought for themselves with taxpayers money.

those abhisit dem mps are really showing themselves as a bad and desperate bunch.

Worse then their yellow shirt street mob.

storming the speaker like a wild bunch of animals, what ever next?

True although I don't know enough about Thai politics to say if there was nothing else they could do. Would be a good time for Abhisit to show some leadership though.

Europe as an economic model is hardly the star in the firmament right now, and is on the verge of imminent collapse. The parallel with ASEAN is...?

That's not quite true. The Eurozone is experiencing problems due to excessive debt in a few countries. Some of this is due to not abiding by the fiscal rules put in place (Germany was first but is OK), some like Spain due to a property bubble which burst. The economic crisis in 2008 exposed this causing the problems we see now. Much should be learnt from this both in Asia and Europe. The European Union which is different from the eurozone also has problems but no more than could be expected with so many nations involved. It also creates the situation where the workers in one country find those from another country coming to do their jobs sometimes because they are cheaper. Of course if you have a large increase in your minimum wage but only apply it to your own nationals as Thailand seems to have done then you will get companies moving close to the border to take advantage of cheap foreign labour to which the law doesn't apply. I believe this is happening now.

Amnesty rate all countries with the death penalty as poor, check us rating. How many people on here who slag off Thailand for implementing the death sentence would not like to see it in the country they turned their back on.

I don't slag off Thailand for implementing the death penalty, but I for one would hate to see it reintroduced in the UK.

Same here.

Still haven't the foggiest why on earth Sonthi is doing this.

Depending on what you mean..If you listen to some on here G Prem was handing out veiled threats about the current cabinet being good people and taking Yingluck in for a cuppa. Lets look at it the other way. GP like Sonthi have beem caught bang to rights with regard to an irrefutable cable in which they commit LM, the very weapon they use to keep the status quo. It would be so easy for any Thai national to go into a police station and make a complaint with regard to LM. Instead certain parties have agreed a compromise whereby they only say nice things about PTT...or else. Its like silly 4rse Mark saying he waves his immunity, codswallop he done a deal and he knows he wont be in court anytime soon in a trade off for Thaksins return. Will Mark wave his immunity when an international court comes calling..

I'm not sure which international court you mean. If you mean the International Criminal Court I'm not sure the events of 2010 (if that is what you are referring to) would come under their jurisdiction. The other complication with this is Abhisit's nationality. He is obviously Thai and Thailand hasn't ratified the Rome Treaty yet. As far as I know he does still have dual Thai / British nationality due to his birth in the UK which is a signatory. I have no way of knowing what he would do do if everything was in place for the ICC to call him. He may well prefer that as at least he has a reasonable chance of getting a fair hearing. From what I've heard it's unlikely he would be convicted anyway although you could always criticise some of his handling of the situation

I don't understand why you think he has done a deal with Thaksin. Thaksin apparently runs PTP which has a majority in parliament plus it has coalition partners. Why the need to to a deal with the leader of a minority party who would seem to have little support. Surely if Abhisit and his government are responsible for the deaths in 2010 then Thaksin's duty as someone who loves the country and wants to help would be to ensure that the perpetrators of these crimes are brought before the courts. Instead you seem to be suggesting Thaksin feels him coming back to Thailand without facing a 2 year sentence is more important than justice for those killed in 2010.

I don't know what Abhisit will do but I trust him more than Thaksin or most of his party. At least he has offered to wave immunity.

When she returns to the U.S Obama should put her over his knee and smack her bottom for just suggesting that there are pirated goods in Thailand.

Pictures please !

Maybe a pirate DVD.